What in the heck is this thread? Listen, I am not trying to be a preacher but I don't think being "judgy" about a situation this vague is healthy. We can't take the person's side or the girl's as we don't completely know the situation.
I mean, almost all of us are here because we were judged too soon.
Yeah, and I think it harms rape victims! Not to mention guys destroyed by false/misleading accusations
I'm sorry for a long rambling post, way offtopic, but maybe it's helpful to discuss what actually helps rape victims & innocent guys — and what destroys lives. It's specific to unconsenting sex, but should apply here too
When a girl comes to you for help in a rape case, and you decide to intervene, I think it helps to list the various timelines — Is he lying? Is she lying? Etc. Because you don't know which timeline you're in. Maybe you can assign rough chances to each one. Then gotta act in ways that work ok, no matter which timeline you're actually in. Eliminate false timelines
So suppose we got an underage girl employee, telling us how her boss raped her. Naturally, we discuss how she wants us to help
Well, we need to consider the possibility she's lying/misleading. So we discreetly discover any other victims & talk with them. (As we anyway should.) And subtly probe everyone, to find evidence/patterns/interests. Escalate in ways that help us learn more & more
If we're too damn arrogant for this, we'd be dangerous for everyone, fucking everything up big & small. That's why it's useful to learn
escalation and
rational thinking. Escalation is particularly helpful, so we're using minimal effective actions at each step — before we take life-altering steps we can't undo
Because some dudes need baseball bats to the head, I'm sad to say
And btw, a lot of impressively vocal women — they suddenly disappear when it's time to do the bare minimum to help other gals...
False rape accusations
I personally witnessed false rape accusations. These are low-risk attacks. If successful, these women would've destroyed a man & his family. They failed — and the women absorbed only minor consequences & gentle treatment
For example, at a big meeting in a bookstore, a woman came in off the street. Soon, she loudly accused an attendee of raping her in the back room. One well-respected woman attendee stood up & confidently announced
"She's a woman, so we must believe her!"
Only problem was... it wasn't physically possible. In full view of us, he was there making food for us in the kitchen, furthest from the back room. If we believed her, we'd have gotten an innocent guy imprisoned in a foreign country with an authoritarian government. More than an innocent guy — he was actively helping others, an all-around great guy!
Of course, neither of these women apologized for violently threatening him with a cage, and maybe getting HIM raped
By some
"gladiator motherfuckers", as a US prison guard put it to me. We don't talk about prisons, do we? He told me about pretty men who rubbed their own shit on themselves, to avoid getting raped by gladiator motherfuckers. He quit after trying to help prisoners, because
"he saw too many things no man should see"
Now recently, I met a schoolteacher who told me that she lied when accusing a coworker of rape. She blamed psychosis from ecstasy-induced brain damage at raves. I did commisserate with this druggie schoolteacher, without judgment. Despite (what some might call) her life-endangering criminality
Guess what society considers worse:
- a female druggie ruining a man & his family with false accusations of rape
- a male druggie traumatizing his coworker by raping her
Don't guys get traumatized by such things? If we're putting cluestick-on-head to guys who traumatize gals, what about gals who traumatize guys — with state violence?
We could also talk about ageism — how supposedly no one under 18 can consent to anything, because of ageist assumptions that they're little morons, property of their parents
Or how punishment-based legal systems don't generally solve problems, they're just mechanically following rules made by creepy career politicians
But the important thing to do irl is to sit down with the girl & discover to what extent (if any) there's trauma. And together, figure out solutions based on that