Are you destroyed because of psych drugs / meds ? (poll)

[rainy.tears]

Seven pills of effexor destroyed me. I already had CFS/ME so adding severe PSSD is unbearable. I've waited about 15 months to try and stabilize but I'm only getting worse. Crippling anhedonia, sexual dysfunction, insomnia, akathisia, and neuropathy like symptoms. Death doesn't seem so bad when you're already a corpse.

I have chronic fatigue that leaves me mostly housebound and severe anhedonia and psychological dysphoria and I feel the same way. I have zero energy, zero pleasure, zero desire to do anything. I feel like I'm already dead :(. Mine didn't come from psych drugs it actually came from doing MDMA once but yeah… tried taking a low dose antipsychotic to see if it would help and it made me worse, gave me permanent emotional blunting so now I can't even feel sadness properly any more. Psychiatrists do not know what they're doing at all. Clown profession to be honest.

 

[neurotoxic]

As much as ive been fucked by the mental health system i think it makes more sense to blame the system itself/mental illness itself than to blame meds for my problems. I could easily blame my ongoing depression/fatigue/etc on meds and fall into the psuedoscientific anti-psychiatry trap but it makes more sense for me to blame it on the more likely causes rather than speculating that i have a never-before documented case of permanent damage from a common and well-tested med.

 

[pixelposting]

got prescribed a month's worth of olanzapine after my first meeting with my new psychiatrist, took it once, and never again. Even if they insist on me taking this harmful shit that's meant for schizophrenics and bipolars. The side effects were unlike anything I've ever felt before, and I'd ctb before making it to a week.

psychiatrists will continue to give hardcore poison to unwell individuals without any repercussions. disgusting.

 

[Fadenself00_]

psuedoscientific anti-psychiatry trap

always remember that you are hereby invalidating the experience of thousands of people describing brutal torture by meds, which are literally designed to engage with your brain chemistry.
(It's always the pro-psychiatry people invalidating the people harmed by these drugs - oppositely I have never invalidated the good experiences you had with them. I would like you to think about that...)

The side effects people there and people like me are talking about, affect your entire mental state, and unfortunately, are therefore very easy to just feed back into the DISM/ICD and that leads to a drugging spiral.

I have been brain-raped by an SSRI after I had a major crash that left me way more sensitive to meds. I can objectively tell you that you are just plain wrong.

 

[neurotoxic]

always remember that you are hereby invalidating the experience of thousands of people describing brutal torture by meds, which are literally designed to engage with your brain chemistry.
(It's always the pro-psychiatry people invalidating the people harmed by these drugs - oppositely I have never invalidated the good experiences you had with them. I would like you to think about that...)

The side effects people there and people like me are talking about, affect your entire mental state, and unfortunately, are therefore very easy to just feed back into the DISM/ICD and that leads to a drugging spiral.

I have been brain-raped by an SSRI after I had a major crash that left me way more sensitive to meds. I can objectively tell you that you are just plain wrong.

We have disagreed on this before and i have no intent to invalidate or argue with you, friend. I'm not invalidating anyone's individual experience, my comment was about what makes sense to blame my own personal struggles on, I'm not claiming anyone's negative experiences didn't occur, my concern is with combating misinformation, and personal experiences aren't misinformation. Anecdotal evidence is not inherently invalid, my only issue is when people project and fear-monger. (I do not think you are doing any of that, but I do see it occur on here)

 

[Fadenself00_]

speculating that i have a never-before documented case of permanent damage from a common and well-tested med.

There has been at least *some* progress in them having to document SSRI withdrawl syndromes in the pack-in slip for example, but once again, if it affects your entire mental state strongly enough: in the DISM/ICD you go..
Being in such a state, FOR 1.5 FUCKING YEARS, not being able to get help, because all they would do is force some antipsychotic/mood stabilizers on me, in doses that would already be high for a healthy person, is fucking Orwellian!

You can be lucky not having experienced that, but that doesn't mean people like me shouldn't be mad about people like you invalidating us calling it pseudoscientific..(!)

people like you invalidating us calling it pseudoscientific

Psychiatry is extremely pseudoscientific in not taking this more seriously, and ignoring us.

If you could "record" only one of these extreme cases (from a first-person perspective) and show it to people in politics who actually give a shit, these drugs would be hugely re-classified.. And it's a medical fact that it is a good thing to reduce unnecessary drug exposure - and psychiatry is the one field where there is the most wiggle room in regards to that, so human-to-human approaches should be of way higher priority than just a pill..

 

[LastPenance]

I might of been destroyed by psych meds, but I'm not entirely certain when saying that. My dissociation got significantly worse after a close family member passed and I was grieving, I already had borderline and cptsd as well, but I have a feeling my memory loss and brain fog would not be this bad if I hadn't been on ssris for years. I had been on hydroxyzine for maybe a little less than a year as well, which is known to cause cognitive decline when taken past a short time period. I've been on so many different medications, they even had me on trileptal for a year or maybe more (can't remember) which has HORRIBLE side effects long term if anyone wants to look into that. It scared me so bad that I just stopped taking it. The worst part is, that my psychiatrist never told me any of the negative long term effects of any medication I was on. No one told me. But I guess that makes sense, why would they want to tell you something like that? That just means you'll quit giving them money. Now I'm left feeling exploited, and like they didn't actually care about my well being. If they cared, they wouldn't of let me take these medications long term. They just wanted my money

 

[Fadenself00_]

We have disagreed on this before and i have no intent to invalidate or argue with you, friend. I'm not invalidating anyone's individual experience, my comment was about what makes sense to blame my own personal struggles on, I'm not claiming anyone's negative experiences didn't occur, my concern is with combating misinformation, and personal experiences aren't misinformation. Anecdotal evidence is not inherently invalid, my only issue is when people project and fear-monger. (I do not think you are doing any of that, but I do see it occur on here)

One positive thing to mention is how the ICD-11 is currently trying to classify at least some types of brain damage by these drugs

Anecdotal evidence is not inherently invalid

The big problem is that the kind of damage we are talking about is near impossible to get into a non-anecdotal format

 

[neurotoxic]

There has been at least *some* progress in them having to document SSRI withdrawl syndromes in the pack-in slip for example, but once again, if it affects your entire mental state strongly enough: in the DISM/ICD you go..
Being in such a state, FOR 1.5 FUCKING YEARS, not being able to get help, because all they would do is force some antipsychotic/mood stabilizers on me, in doses that would already be high for a healthy person, is fucking Orwellian!

You can be lucky not having experienced that, but that doesn't mean people like me shouldn't be mad about people like you invalidating us calling it pseudoscientific..(!)

Psychiatry is extremely pseudoscientific in not taking this more seriously, and ignoring us.

If you could "record" only one of these extreme cases (from a first-person perspective) and show it to people in politics who actually give a shit, these drugs would be hugely re-classified.. And it's a medical fact that it is a good thing to reduce unnecessary drug exposure - and psychiatry is the one field where there is the most wiggle room in regards to that, so human-to-human approaches should be of way higher priority than just a pill..

Psychology is a constantly evolving field. Its intertwined with psychology (the human-to human approach you mentioned) and both have plenty to criticize and demand improvement on. That's how science evolves and how healthcare becomes more advanced, it evolves through experimentation, documentation, and updating treatment best practice accordingly. I can talk for hours about the failures of psychiatry and healthcare in general, but rejection of the science itself and the merits of it is how you keep a field in the dark, not how you improve it. If we denounced epidemiology because countless people were harmed in the past due to bad practice, instead of relying on the scientific method to learn and improve, we never would have invented penicillin or vaccines or any of the other things we now have. Psychiatry is the same. Same scientific method. Any issue that exists with medication can be revealed through studies, but if you think psychiatry as a field itself is psuedoscientific, then whos supposed to do all the research needed to make the advancements you want?

One positive thing to mention is how the ICD-11 is currently trying to classify at least some types of brain damage by these drugs

The big problem is that the kind of damage we are talking about is near impossible to get into a non-anecdotal format

This is what i struggle to understand. If something exists, It can be documented. Even the most invisible of illnesses has been documented and is being researched. Invisible and hard to understand phenomena are being researched all the time. The whole field is effectively an effort to research and document that which cant be directly experienced by the observer, but with the proper tools and methods, or new tools and methods, we can observe and document things that currently evade our understanding. But we can't do that if we direct all our suspicion and resentment back at the process itself instead of at the lack of progress we've made so far.

 

[Fadenself00_]

but if you think psychiatry as a field itself is psuedoscientific

It is, because there are (obviously) plenty of people complaining about these horrifying experiences (and you can for sure see the patterns for the different types of drugs involved), but very few people in the field care, because it is easier to gaslight, ignore, and throw antipsychotics at people, than it is to take the person seriously and document, because this huge clinical bias of just having to "manage" the patient exists. Let alone the type of people this field attracts because they have a lot of power over the helpless, have the ability to label someone psychotic, etc. etc.

And psychiatry is also just horrible at admitting that they know very little and people have massive anecdotal horror stories/complaints. The field lacks self awareness and curiosity for what the patient reports.

Plenty of people complain; many online, probably a lot more in a direct clinical setting, but are hitting deaf ears, are being gaslit, ignored and left to rot. At most you get a "oh, that is suuuper rare", while it obviously doesn't seem to be (and the psychiatrist either doesn't seem to understand how randomness works, or has made up their mind already that it's just your "illness" (throw in that typical sadistic/sociopathic smirk))

[My outpatient psychiatrist - involving the ssri brain-rape, while very sadistically blaming the illness [even with something along the lines of 'ohhh, i knooow you think it is the drugs, but it is your mental illness']- made a statement about how they have heard this from a few other patients as well (while apparently using that as an "argument" lmao) - so: not even being taken seriously at the very root of the situation... and that is like *at least* the majority of them..


Another HUGE issue, which also contributes to this, is how people having been affected this severely, are no longer able to compete with word or thought against the 'academics'.. This + the severe torture and abuse, obviously leads to "anti"-movements.
And because this type of damage essentially *is* a mental illness, you have many mentally ill people trying to fight against the injustice having made them mentally ill... which once again plays into the cards of abusive psychiatrists


[You will find plenty people on r/antipsychiatry, who are describing their experiences in a similar writing style as I am right now, and there are a lot more, very on-point observations there]

 

[vitbar]

I get side effects, but otherwise psych drugs have made life worthwhile again.

 

[Fadenself00_]

This is what i struggle to understand. If something exists, It can be documented.

I don't have the capacity right not, but I can tell you that it is so perfect, you would have to experience a situation like mine, yourself. It is Orwellian how perfect it is. The limitation of you being stuck in your own mind, is such a massive and existential one, and this is probably one of the best showcases of the blindspot it produces.

To objectively showcase this, it will probably take until we can image a brain down to synapse-level detail. Until then, all worsening because of meds will be called 'relapse', 'worsening of the original illness', etc

 

[wannabeangel]

i would say yes, not the root cause but made my mental issues even worse being overmedicated from a young age, around 8-10, literally almost every type of drug imaginable. i only got off most of my psych meds in the past few years in my 20s. my family, trying to help me by trying to find the right solution with my psych who took care of most of my meds, on top of the psych wards who love to throw antipsychotics at everything even if you have your parents specifically say not to give them because they made me hallucinate more and become a zombie. being either overmedicated or given the wrong meds for most of my developmental years both gave me trauma and im sure dealing with bad side effects as a child for years didnt train my brain to be the most stable, im a little better off meds but i still have my... moments. and who knows which of my issues neurologically is from the meds or genetics

 

[decayingangel]

I was after quetiapine and lithium.
Lithium made me go into this weird psychotic state? Idk what happened to me back then, I don't even want to remember that time.
Quetiapine was awful and made me faint all the time and have those weird mini seizures that didn't stop for a long time even after they stopped prescribing it to me

 

[TheBestFisch]

I had antidepressant medications. One of the side effects is mania. The psychiatrists gave me the maximum doses too quickly. I was in a state where, for example, I got into debt, I don't know, arguments on the street with people? I was hostile towards people.At that time, my mind was like that of a six-year-old.

A mixture of hatred and the mind of a six-year-old. WTF? I don't want to go into details, but I'm glad it ended, even though I was in a "better mood" at the time. I didn't start thinking about suicide until a few years later, so I would have survived without the medication.

I still feel ashamed of what I became after the medications, even though several years have passed. I wasn't the best version of myself; I was actually better off without the medications. Luckily, the medications stop working after some time. i quit it.

The worst thing about medications is making people believe that if it doesn't work, you have the wrong medicine or too little. And so it goes in circles.
by the way talking therapy is simmilar mechanism

 

[Topaz111]

The worst thing about medications is making people believe that if it doesn't work, you have the wrong medicine or too little. And so it goes in circles.
by the way talking therapy is simmilar mechanism

Yep, it's always "you need to find the right combo of meds!" and "you just need to find the right therapist!" no matter how many people I went to, how many meds I've tried, how much time, money and health I've wasted, people just ignore that and say you need to find that "unicorn therapist/psychiatrist"

 

[deadpool55]

Yes that is the only reason why I want to leave this world. They destroyed my health and now I am left alone fighting for survival. I went from living to surviving literally because of the damage caused by those meds. They are worse than hell, never took them voluntarilly they just pushed them against my will. I will forever hate psychiatry and its workers, they dont know shit about What they are doing to inocent people like me, 3 years of torture and nothing has changed even having left them for more than a year. True torture, more than 100 negativ symptoms from them. They leave secuels.

 

[TheBestFisch]

Yep, it's always "you need to find the right combo of meds!" and "you just need to find the right therapist!" no matter how many people I went to, how many meds I've tried, how much time, money and health I've wasted, people just ignore that and say you need to find that "unicorn therapist/psychiatrist"

Or that you have to give something of yourself if you want to improve your life. True, but what's the point of therapy?

What you're writing reminds me of the attitude of people in Facebook groups, where they're brainwashed by "experts."