Anyone think our new POTUS would make euthanasia legal if he was asked?

[Life'sA6itch]

I am not sure but was literally going to ask until I saw you cannot just email him like prior POTUS websites.*update* either I did not see the contact link or it was added after my initial check

 

[TheHolySword]

no

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Who knows...I'm just glad that it's called the Gulf of America now. I felt so Mexican swimming in it last summer.

 

[AnotherSadDay]

I dont think so.
Euthanasia is a taboo topic for almost every country and religion in the world.
The only thing I think he would legalize is the death penalty for every prisoner

 

[locked*n*loaded]

If he does, he should try it on himself first.

 

[DoneWithThisLife]

I might be in the UK but this guy is laughable. I'm so glad I'm not American. The guy is certifiable.

 

[Life'sA6itch]

I might be in the UK but this guy is laughable. I'm so glad I'm not American. The guy is certifiable.

I agree. His antics certainly don't reverse/soften my desire to ctb. I understand we would be the butt of the joke if his actions and intentional inactions weren't so dangerous for the US.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

First, the president can't make laws, he can only sign or veto laws sent to him by congress. He has a lot power he can leverage to support or defeat laws, and he could help draft laws (Now with 500% More randomly Capitalized Words!), but which laws get written is largely out of his control.

I would assume Trump would oppose euthanasia because he's playing to a conservative base that tends to be religious and moralistic. He also likes to present himself as some sort of obese macho man who wouldn't pity fools who can't handle life. Trump is the the one who signed the national 988 suicide hotline into law, by the way. His religious conservative base would just love to hoover up and save all those wayward suicidal souls, so that's the path of least resistance for Trump to take.

On the flip side, there is significant support for euthanasia in both parties, so they could pass euthanasia legislation while Trump is in office. Especially if he lasts for two terms, that's a lot of time. Whether Trump would sign those laws is an open question because it depends on so many political factors we can't know at this point.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

I don't think so. For starters, suicide is almost an alien concept for someone of his station and disposition. A type of "quitting". Next, it would alienate a segment of his religious base. It may not matter unless he want's to change term limits but it's a topic that would cause him too much political friction. Conversely, while negative liberty/right to die rights are supported more by the left, as a whole we are still a minority. Take for example trans-affirmative care which is pitched as a preventative for suicide for those with gender dysphoria. Trump supporting suicide for any reason would be framed as a thinly veiled eugenic solution to be fiercely pushed back on by his political enemies. It's a catch 22 either way. From an international perspective, making America the world leader in death tourism tarnishes the MAGA/MAHA brand. As they say, "the optics are bad"

 

[escape_from_hell]

We need to reframe it as "rid America of weak/quitters/losers" and then it might gain the support of political fanatics, maybe from all sides. Whatever part of the political spectrum, the rulers need slaves with a can-do attitude.

I confess that I am a weak loser and am happy to make America absolutely wonderful by volunteering to permanently exit. I believe whatever taxes I paid in my lifetime are more than sufficient to cover my own personal lethal dose of pentobarbital.

 

[tbh2023]

I am not sure but was literally going to ask until I saw you cannot just email him like prior POTUS websites.*update* either I did not see the contact link or it was added after my initial

He's prob going to say "let's make America great again, and use guns"

 

[Life'sA6itch]

He's prob going to say "let's make America great again, and use guns"

I would not be surprised if he did

We need to reframe it as "rid America of weak/quitters/losers" and then it might gain the support of political fanatics, maybe from all sides. Whatever part of the political spectrum, the rulers need slaves with a can-do attitude.

I confess that I am a weak loser and am happy to make America absolutely wonderful by volunteering to permanently exit. I believe whatever taxes I paid in my lifetime are more than sufficient to cover my own personal lethal dose of pentobarbital.

I feel the same as you, especially about the taxes! I wish I learned about chemistry and had the tools and supplies to make my own pentobarbital or enough cash to pay someone to do it.

 

[LivingDeadTGirl]

Who knows...I'm just glad that it's called the Gulf of America now. I felt so Mexican swimming in it last summer.

 

[Life'sA6itch]

I don't think so. For starters, suicide is almost an alien concept for someone of his station and disposition. A type of "quitting". Next, it would alienate a segment of his religious base. It may not matter unless he want's to change term limits but it's a topic that would cause him too much political friction. Conversely, while negative liberty/right to die rights are supported more by the left, as a whole we are still a minority. Take for example trans-affirmative care which is pitched as a preventative for suicide for those with gender dysphoria. Trump supporting suicide for any reason would be framed as a thinly veiled eugenic solution to be fiercely pushed back on by his political enemies. It's a catch 22 either way. From an international perspective, making America the world leader in death tourism tarnishes the MAGA/MAHA brand. As they say, "the optics are bad"

I don't think so. For starters, suicide is almost an alien concept for someone of his station and disposition. A type of "quitting". Next, it would alienate a segment of his religious base. It may not matter unless he want's to change term limits but it's a topic that would cause him too much political friction. Conversely, while negative liberty/right to die rights are supported more by the left, as a whole we are still a minority. Take for example trans-affirmative care which is pitched as a preventative for suicide for those with gender dysphoria. Trump supporting suicide for any reason would be framed as a thinly veiled eugenic solution to be fiercely pushed back on by his political enemies. It's a catch 22 either way. From an international perspective, making America the world leader in death tourism tarnishes the MAGA/MAHA brand. As they say, "the optics are bad"

You make good points but going by Trumps own actions and words makes me think he is not opposed as some may believe. He doesn't care about optics, he makes that clear with his actions, intentional inactions and his own words. He is racist (his own words, deeds, etc.) and likely already supports eugenics, just waiting for when he springs this surprise on the world. Here's a great example from Donald to his nephew, regarding his own grand nephew:

Fred's son, William Trump, was born with a genetic mutation that altered his physical and cognitive development. The former president had contributed financially to William's care over the years, but mounting costs forced Fred to ask for more help in a 2020 phone call.

In his new book, All in the Family: The Trumps and How We Got This Way, Fred alleges that his uncle's response was: "I don't know, he doesn't recognize you. Maybe you should just let him die and move down to Florida."

Fred was shocked at the response, and insisted that his son does recognize him.

"To this day, it's still hard to wrap my head around it," he told The Current's guest host Susan Bonner.

"I don't know how one human being could say that about anybody else. Least of all his grandnephew," he said.

Fred Trump III said his son William, 25, is living in a group home and doing well. (Submitted by Simon & Schuster)

First, the president can't make laws, he can only sign or veto laws sent to him by congress. He has a lot power he can leverage to support or defeat laws, and he could help draft laws (Now with 500% More randomly Capitalized Words!), but which laws get written is largely out of his control.

I would assume Trump would oppose euthanasia because he's playing to a conservative base that tends to be religious and moralistic. He also likes to present himself as some sort of obese macho man who wouldn't pity fools who can't handle life. Trump is the the one who signed the national 988 suicide hotline into law, by the way. His religious conservative base would just love to hoover up and save all those wayward suicidal souls, so that's the path of least resistance for Trump to take.

On the flip side, there is significant support for euthanasia in both parties, so they could pass euthanasia legislation while Trump is in office. Especially if he lasts for two terms, that's a lot of time. Whether Trump would sign those laws is an open question because it depends on so many political factors we can't know at this point.

Just hoping that the tides change for us trapped here. I think if he saw some benefit to it he would throw his weight around with Congressmen to get something like this passed. He hates lots of folks and if they want out I think it's possible he would go along with getting this passed.

This is also the same man who joked on a disabled reporter, mocking their disability. He also told his nephew to let his disabled grand nephew die and move down to Florida. The grand nephew's life was not in danger, he is disabled and needs care but it wasn't as if his grand nephew was alive for years solely because he was being kept alive by machines in a hospital. His grand nephew is some sort of inconvenience to Trump and nothing more.

There's many things that are not beyond him, he's appeased no one unless there was benefit to him. He's ticked off religious groups before and after becoming president again, so their feelings don't matter, just what he feels he's getting out of it and the religious groups have no way to reprimand the POTUS like many others.

 

[Forveleth]

The 1% can not live off the backs of dead people. So no.

 

[nofunclub]

No way — he depends on the Evangelical Christian voters too much

 

[ringo99]

I'm not an American but even I know there's zero chance of it. His political lobby is overwhelmingly pro-life.

 

[Worndown]

I doubt he cares at all. He is in the pocket of right wing pro-life fanatics. They don't care either, but as a co cept they do. Gotta please the God that endorses their horrible behavior.

 

[Peter Skellern]

I'm British but didn't the Christian Right support him so to me that seems massively unlikely.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

I'm British but didn't the Christian Right support him so to me that seems massively unlikely.

Not only that, but he would have to rally strong support from Republican congress to introduce and pass the bill, and the current Republican congress consists of 99% Christians and 2 Jews.

He would first have to convince them to write the law, which would put their name in the crosshairs for challenges during the next reelection campaign. Good luck finding volunteers for that assignment, even if the president is asking.

Then he would need to drum up 60% support in the Senate and 50% in the House to get the bill through congress. Virtually all congressmen are religious: 88% Christian, 6.2% Jews, and a handful of Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, and Unitarian Universalist. None of those religions supports suicide except possibly in very limited circumstances, or sects like Shinto Buddhism (there are only 2 Buddhist members of congress).

Anybody who thinks that Trump could pass major legislation impacting a deeply controversial subject like right to die is misunderstanding the constitution and how difficult it is to pass laws, and just how much of an uphill battle it would be to pass anything that liberalizes suicide when 99% of our lawmakers practice a religion that considers suicide a sin or unwholesome in some way.

For comparison, Canada legalized euthanasia with a vote by 9 Supreme Court justices. In the US you need approval from 218 members of congress, 51 senators, and 1 president for at total of 270 lawmakers in support. That means we need 31 times more lawmakers than Canada to agree to change these law.

 

[brokeandbroken]

Not only that, but he would have to rally strong support from Republican congress to introduce and pass the bill, and the current Republican congress consists of 99% Christians and 2 Jews.

He would first have to convince them to write the law, which would put their name in the crosshairs for challenges during the next reelection campaign. Good luck finding volunteers for that assignment, even if the president is asking.

Then he would need to drum up 60% support in the Senate and 50% in the House to get the bill through congress. Virtually all congressmen are religious: 88% Christian, 6.2% Jews, and a handful of Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, and Unitarian Universalist. None of those religions supports suicide except possibly in very limited circumstances, or sects like Shinto Buddhism (there are only 2 Buddhist members of congress).

Anybody who thinks that Trump could pass major legislation impacting a deeply controversial subject like right to die is misunderstanding the constitution and how difficult it is to pass laws, and just how much of an uphill battle it would be to pass anything that liberalizes suicide when 99% of our lawmakers practice a religion that considers suicide a sin or unwholesome in some way.

For comparison, Canada legalized euthanasia with a vote by 9 Supreme Court justices. In the US you need approval from 218 members of congress, 51 senators, and 1 president for at total of 270 lawmakers in support. That means we need 31 times more lawmakers than Canada to agree to change these law.

Also consider the lack of political gain, the political backlash, and whatever minor gain there would be is instantly squashed because they'd you know be dead.

 

[Worndown]

I'm British but didn't the Christian Right support him so to me that seems massively unlikely.

And you just stated one of the great unanswerable questions we have, why would they support him?
Nothing about him implies the christian ideals they promote.
(Christian ideals and Christian practices differ greatly)
We have had a few fairly dismal presidents in our history and survived. That list has room for another name.
The clean-up will be tough after this one.

The only hope of euthanasia being endorsed is if it could directly benefit "him" or his supporters.

 

[fallingtopieces]

And you just stated one of the great unanswerable questions we have, why would they support him?
Nothing about him implies the christian ideals they promote.
(Christian ideals and Christian practices differ greatly)
We have had a few fairly dismal presidents in our history and survived. That list has room for another name.
The clean-up will be tough after this one.

The only hope of euthanasia being endorsed is if it could directly benefit "him" or his supporters.

well it is answerable considering the long game the religious right a la heritage group/project 2025 have played. that includes loading up scotus with right wing religious fundamentalists (e.g. barrett, alito). the same scotus that ruled in favor of immunity for potus actions, as well as lowering the bar for bribery and corruption, politicians can accept 'gifts'. no doubt the latter was also to give cover to their own corrupt judges, especially clarence thomas. the former was equating potus to a king/authoritarian.

all of this is to say the religious fundamentalists don't care about the character of potus or about corruption or evil shit they do. so long as they deliver their religious agenda, which is exactly what the current administration is doing. it is no different than the relationship the church historically had with kings. religious fundamentalists have no use for democracy, they prefer authoritarianism.

lastly to op, no absolutely not. the religious agenda would overrule this. but there are plenty of for-profit detention centers and for-private prisons in america. better chance you'd be providing free prison labor for corporate profits. exploitative capitalism, wageslavery, cruelty, all apparently get two thumbs up from god. religion isn't looking to make life better for anyone, more equitable, more just. just telling you suffering is all good, it'll all get sorted after you die.

 

[bananaolympus]

No a big chunk of his supporters are very religious christians only thing anti christian i can see from him is supporting abortion nothing else