Anybody else think corona is a scam?

[a.h]

You nailed it, sir!

The COVID-19 (aka Corona Virus) crisis is real, but the severity is being overly played out by our politicians, and one might argue the governments are doing so to see just what they can get away with in terms our basic rights and freedoms.

The danger factor is put more in rational sense by this article: https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

And do not get me going on the mainstream media - assholes who will do anything to keep a viewing audience. Look how CNN presented the stats:

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The lock down has caused worse than the corona virus everywhere. I think every country sees how easily they can take freedoms away.

Italy, Spain and French and 6 other EU countries want all EU countries to pay what they lost with lockdown and treatment of sick. They don't want offered loan but free money and some have threatened to leave EU if they don't get the money for free. ;)

It's real for sure. But it seems it's just bad for the elderly or to very sick people. In my country very little amount of old and sick has died to it just like to other flus.
I personally think that just risk groups should be isolated, most businesses should be allowed to be open and others should be careful of it. Many cities have under 20 cases. Few big cities have almost all Corona cases and almost all immigrants.

I just read from newspaper 2 days ago my countries policy about Corona testing and care. It said that people should only go to hospital (where all health care is) if they have so serious acute corona symptoms that they need hospital care (40 celcius fever or trouble breathing usually need hospital care) or if they have strong Corona symptoms and have traveled to other country during the outbrake or has been in contact with person with confirmed Corona virus.

Before that people (adults) were told to go to doctor if they had flu for one week or if they felt really sick since there are antibiotics to most flus that came from bacterias and viral meds to some virus infections. But if person has clear Corona symptoms then better not go to doctor unless you are so sick you need hospital care. It makes sense since there is no treatment for Corona so why bother (if symptoms are clearly Corona symptoms) but the stats of my country are so not real. Every mild or average Corona infection goes unnoticed without any testing or visits to doctor except in case of children, risk groups or people who work in health care or care for risk groups. So of course it seems more deadly than other flus if only critical cases gets counted. Some countries representatives have criticized my countries ways in public media. But my country use money to other things than testing and pointless doctor's visit.

It's treated as stomach flu when people are adviced to not go to doctor to spread it and try manage it at home unless they really need IV. Also nurses and doctors can then write notice to employees for paid sick leave without seeing the patient and after just chatting by phone.

Only 6% Of Actual Coronavirus Cases Detected Worldwide, Researchers Estimate

The actual number of cases may actually be in the tens of millions, according to the report.

www.ibtimes.com

Happily some researches get that testing just really sick can't tell how many have the virus. Any flu would be seen really dangerous and deadly the same way.

 

[Arrow]

wait what? you think governments would willingly lose this much money for a "scam"? the us government hasn't benefited in any way from corona, surely you don't really think this?

They keep showing videos of hospitals on Twitter with the staff dancing around and there appears to be no patients.

this doesn't even happen that often, and a few twitter videos of nurses dancing doesn't mean nothing is going on

The US government absolutely wants to turn this into a communist country.

why would they ever want to do that when they would lose so much power by doing so?

 

[ManWithNoName]

All of our leaders have sold us out! They need to remember that they serve us, not the other way round. If we acquiesce to this, then we are accessories by proxy, to this insanity.

True. Yet everyone has to understand that government and leaders have to be kept in check by the populous—and the people have to be willing to 'take out the garbage' which means sometimes storming the royal palaces / governmental buildings and throwing the bodies of these traitorous politicians out of the windows.

If left without supervision, all governments have the tendency to: 1.) Try to come up with ways to increase tax revenue, and 2.) Try to come up with ways to put a tighter control over its citizenry.

It is imperative that people understand this, and that living in a free society means that one cannot just sit back and mind themselves with TV or their smartphones and expect that everything will be alright.

 

[Final Escape]

wait what? you think governments would willingly lose this much money for a "scam"? the us government hasn't benefited in any way from corona, surely you don't really think this?



this doesn't even happen that often, and a few twitter videos of nurses dancing doesn't mean nothing is going on



why would they ever want to do that when they would lose so much power by doing so?

Communism gives the government more power not less. Basically under Communism u have no rights. The state controls everything. Wether u can have kids or not, how much u can make, what u can learn, where u can go. When u will die because the gov can decide you are no longer useful. We basically are already pretty much there but it will be worse if they microchip everyone and have u on their smart grid. Where they can surveil your every move. This is not freedom and it's no way for us to live. Communism/socialism ends in poverty for the majority.

 

[BlackPoppet]

True. Yet everyone has to understand that government and leaders have to be kept in check by the populous—and the people have to be willing to 'take out the garbage' which means sometimes storming the royal palaces / governmental buildings and throwing the bodies of these traitorous politicians out of the windows.

If left without supervision, all governments have the tendency to: 1.) Try to come up with ways to increase tax revenue, and 2.) Try to come up with ways to put a tighter control over its citizenry.

It is imperative that people understand this, and that living in a free society means that one cannot just sit back and mind themselves with TV or their smartphones and expect that everything will be alright.

Yes yes yes!!!!! So true!! I luv you for saying this!!!

Communism gives the government more power not less. Basically under Communism u have no rights. The state controls everything. Wether u can have kids or not, how much u can make, what u can learn, where u can go. When u will die because the gov can decide you are no longer useful. We basically are already pretty much there but it will be worse if they microchip everyone and have u on their smart grid. Where they can surveil your every move. This is not freedom and it's no way for us to live. Communism/socialism ends in poverty for the majority.

Communism under Technocracy!!!
That's what it will be. China's social credit system is an example, and is a blueprint for the the rest of the world . We need to fight Communism and Technocracy!!!!

 

[ManWithNoName]

Yes yes yes!!!!! So true!! I luv you for saying this!!!

Thanks, man - now the trick is to get the vast majority of people to understand this.

Don't forget the concept of 'bread and circus' which was the distracting method used by the Romans back in the day.

 

[BlackPoppet]

Thanks, man - now the trick is to get the vast majority of people to understand this.

Don't forget the concept of 'bread and circus' which was the distracting method used by the Romans back in the day.

Oh we have our bread and circus. X factor, Britain/America got talent, chart music, McDonald's, Coca Cola, football games, Netflix, our devices, crappy soap operas, social justice messages in shite Hollywood films. Music (chart) that is uninspired, repetitive and trite.
We have this modern version of bread and circus.
The masses are asleep, because they want to be. Sheeple.... ba.....ba....ba!
I'm totally awake!!! So are you!!! Red pilled to the max!
Pm me if you want to know more. I've spent the last decade learning about the agenda. I know a lot!

 

[ManWithNoName]

Oh we have our bread and circus. X factor, Britain/America got talent, chart music, McDonald's, Coca Cola, football games, Netflix, our devices, crappy soap operas, social justice messages in shite Hollywood films. Music (chart) that is uninspired, repetitive and trite.
We have this modern version of bread and circus.
The masses are asleep, because they want to be. Sheeple.... ba.....ba....ba!
I'm totally awake!!! So are you!!! Red pilled to the max!
Pm me if you want to know more. I've spent the last decade learning about the agenda. I know a lot!

Thanks, man. Yes social media is essentially bread and circus on steroids.

The agenda? You mean like Agenda 21? Now becoming Agenda 2030, i.e. advancing the schedule? Oh yeah....

 

[waived]

Communism gives the government more power not less. Basically under Communism u have no rights. The state controls everything. Wether u can have kids or not, how much u can make, what u can learn, where u can go. When u will die because the gov can decide you are no longer useful. We basically are already pretty much there but it will be worse if they microchip everyone and have u on their smart grid. Where they can surveil your every move. This is not freedom and it's no way for us to live. Communism/socialism ends in poverty for the majority.

Communism is the destruction of the state, it is the destruction of the private ownership of production, distribution, and exchange. It's the destruction of capital. There are no rights because rights are issued from a state to a governed population. It is the opening of the commons. There's also a huge difference between transitional and non-transitional communism. This isn't a good/bad pitch it's just showing that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about again which isn't a surprise considering the silly youtube personalities you idolize, and by idolize I'm talking some gross borderline sycophant vibes.

 

[Arrow]

Basically under Communism u have no rights. The state controls everything. Wether u can have kids or not, how much u can make, what u can learn, where u can go.

communism itself doesn't say anything about telling you how many kids you can have or where you can go, or really any of what you said. "communist" nations have done that, but actual communism means that everything is publicly owned and workers are paid according to their need.

 

[waived]

communism itself doesn't say anything about telling you how many kids you can have or where you can go, or really any of what you said. "communist" nations have done that, but actual communism means that everything is publicly owned and workers are paid according to their need.

Actually this isn't even that accurate. Communist nations aren't communist, they're states, they're capitalist. The seizing of state power and transition to the dictatorship of the proletariat over counter revolutionary ethos, and the withering away of the state that has been seized, never happens. That's not a failing of communism, it's a loss. Revolution can be coopted and destroyed. There aren't workers engaged in communist activity unless it's before or during because work and workers are a part of the dominant ethos that is being destroyed and those roles are part of capitalist social relations. Some people theorize labor vouchers and power-nerd credit systems but mostly it's the destruction of currency all together because the people shipping, receiving, building roads and all the structures of the world are already doing these things it's just that the current world, everything human and then some, is physically and logically structured to support capitalism as a central form of life.

 

[Arrow]

Actually this isn't even that accurate. Communist nations aren't communist, they're states, they're capitalist.

right, that's why i put the quotes around "communism".

 

[BlackPoppet]

I think the best system is a hybrid system. One that has a mixture of capitalism and socialism. We can extract the best of both ideas and implement them yet throw away the negative aspects of both. Such as, for instance any country that is Democratic, is mostly Capitalist, but has some vital and much needed socialist underpinnings. This such country is one I live in. There are downsides to Communism, that's why it's been tried 27 times, and has never worked. There are downsides to capitalism too, for instance Crony capitalism. Materialism etc. I don't like communism's obsession with collectivism. Go and ask the Ukrainians..... they'll tell you! Holodomor was a massive atrocity. Stalin wanted them to collectivise, they said no and were subsequently starved to death. 4 million of them.

 

[waived]

I think the best system is a hybrid system. One that has a mixture of capitalism and socialism.

The ideas are directly antithetical to one another.

 

[BlackPoppet]

Yes they maybe, but they could be combined in a completely manner that brings out the best in both of them.

 

[waived]

Yes they maybe, but they could be combined in a completely manner that brings out the best in both of them.

The best of both from the perspective of capitalists and socialists, is what's antithetical to one another.

 

[BlackPoppet]

The best of both from the perspective of capitalists and socialists, is what's antithetical to one another.

Of course. Both systems are going to think that their ideas are the best. I'm talking about what I think is the best system ( I'm not a communist, but I do have Libertarian /Classical liberal leanings so I'm all for some elements of Communism/ socialism) I am all for Capitalism for the most part ( free market) I class my self as a Centrist with some classic liberal and conservative views. Which means I'm moderately liberal, and moderately conservative. So this is why I believe that the best of both systems of capitalism and socialism can and should be utilised to the best of thier ability.
I think this is reasonable.

 

[waived]

Of course. Both systems are going to think that their ideas are the best. I'm talking about what I think is the best system ( I'm not a communist, but I do have Libertarian leanings so I'm all for some elements of Communism/ socialism) I am all for Capitalism for the most part ( free market) I class my self as a Centrist with some classic liberal and conservative views. Which means I'm moderately liberal, and moderately conservative. So this is why I believe that the best of both systems of capitalism and socialism can and should be utilised to the best of thier ability.
I think this is reasonable.

I don't mean that both think they're the best. I mean that capitalists want capitalism and revolutionary socialists, red libertarians, and communists want the destruction of capitalism which is the destruction of capital and capitalist relations. The later arose as an antithetical hostility to material conditions imposed by the daily functioning of capitalist relations and evolution of state governance. The socialism that I believe you are referring to never breaks from capital, it is capitalist.

 

[BlackPoppet]

Well yeah obviously Capitalists want Capitalism and Communists want the destruction of Capitalism, that obvious detail goes without saying.
You sound like a Communist! Are you ? If so which branch? Stalinist? Leninist?
Why would any Libertarian want Capitalism destroyed is another question.

I don't mean that both think they're the best. I mean that capitalists want capitalism and revolutionary socialists, red libertarians, and communists want the destruction of capitalism which is the destruction of capital and capitalist relations. The later arose as an antithetical hostility to material conditions imposed by the daily functioning of capitalist relations and evolution of state governance. The socialism that I believe you are referring to never breaks from capital, it is capitalist.

I rest my case. Both systems think that their own personal system is best. Like I said.

wait what? you think governments would willingly lose this much money for a "scam"? the us government hasn't benefited in any way from corona, surely you don't really think this?



this doesn't even happen that often, and a few twitter videos of nurses dancing doesn't mean nothing is going on



why would they ever want to do that when they would lose so much power by doing so?

It will be a blend of Communism and Technocracy.

Yes yes yes!!!!! So true!! I luv you for saying this!!!

Communism under Technocracy!!!
That's what it will be. China's social credit system is an example, and is a blueprint for the the rest of the world . We need to fight Communism and Technocracy!!!!

 

[waived]

Well yeah obviously Capitalists want Capitalism and Communists want the destruction of Capitalism, that obvious detail goes without saying.

I think the best system is a hybrid system. One that has a mixture of capitalism and socialism.

The socialism you are referring to is already capitalist. That isn't the case with revolutionary socialism, red libertarianism, communism(s). They are warmachines against capital. One arose to destroy the other. That is it's only task.

Why would any Libertarian want Capitalism destroyed is another question.

Right-libertarianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The term "right-libertarianism" is used to distinguish this class of views on the nature of property and capital[9] from left-libertarianism, a type of libertarianism that combines self-ownership with an egalitarian approach to natural resources.[10] In contrast to socialist libertarianism,[4] right-libertarianism supports free-market capitalism.[1] Like most forms of libertarianism, it supports civil liberties,[1] especially natural law,[11] negative rights[12] and a major reversal of the modern welfare state.[13]

Traditionally, "libertarian" was a term coined by the French libertarian communist Joseph Déjacque[22][23][35][36][37] to mean a form of left-wing politics that has been frequently used to refer to anarchism

Also note, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

No, I'm not a communist.

 

[BlackPoppet]

I see your point but sending me stuff from Wikipedia (which can be added to by any body in the public arena) probably isn't the best idea. I need better cites and sources than Wikipedia.
So a benefit/welfare system and socialised health care isn't socialist? Making sure the most vulnerable in society are not left to rot by giving them free money and free healthcare is capitalist? I know taxes pay for it, but the idea is socialistic.
What is wrong with free market capitalism? To me Libertarianism can swing both ways then. From the above Wikipedia piece alone it looks that way. I support elements of right libertarianism ( not all) and I support some aspects of social libertarianism (not all)
I know that the term Libertarian was coined by a french communist and it pertained to anarchy. However terms change and take on different meanings as time goes on. I say classical liberal/ libertarian to differentiate between freedom lovers and the hard left .... who hate freedom. I do it to differentiate between Britain's "new Labour " party, as the old Labour was really all about the working man and his rights. New Labour in the Uk are a joke. So what happens is a push back to hard leftism...... Conservatism, which is the new counter culture, the new anarchy. Sorry for long rant.

 

[waived]

I see your point but sending me stuff from Wikipedia (which can be added to by any body in the public arena) probably isn't the best idea. I need better cites and sources than Wikipedia.

Yeah, the language we're using to describe certain things is misused elsewhere and also used correctly elsewhere but with different meaning depending on what circles it's originating from which makes it difficult to establish a base for communication.

So a benefit/welfare system and socialised health care isn't socialist? Making sure the most vulnerable in society are not left to rot by giving them free money and free healthcare is capitalist? I know taxes pay for it, but the idea is socialistic.

Yes, because it's still capitalism.

What is wrong with free market capitalism?

There's nothing free about it.

I know that the term Libertarian was coined by a french communist and it pertained to anarchy. However terms change and take on different meanings as time goes on. I say classical liberal/ libertarian to differentiate between freedom lovers and the hard left .... who hate freedom. I do it to differentiate between Britain's "new Labour " party, as the old Labour was really all about the working man and his rights. New Labour in the Uk are a joke. So what happens is a push back to hard leftism...... Conservatism, which is the new counter culture, the new anarchy. Sorry for long rant.

Terms didn't change, they were coopted by fascists and conservative elements who were not a part of freedom at any point in history including the present. Conservatism isn't a new counter culture, it is the dominant culture of the dominant order and it certainly isn't anarchy. Classical lovers of freedom have been the hard left at every turn.

 

[BlackPoppet]

Well a lot of people would agree with me on Conservatism being the new counter culture... the far left are a disgusting joke. All the disgusting things they want to legalise. Bestiality... and other disgusting philias. They love their version of freedom which is " do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law" Crowley would be proud. Yeah I believe you when you say that the hard left believe in freedom, because to them, morals are subjective.... but orange man bad, it's laughable. The hard left believe that people who are MAPS ( Minor attracted people) (A.K.A kiddy diddlers) should be validated and that their Philia should be termed a valid sexuality!! They also want to decriminalise incest! It seems like they love freedom for the scum of society. ..... well, when you lie down with shite, you will get dirty.
One thing I do agree with you on is that originally conservatism was/is the dominant culture..... they want to preserve and conserve.....the clue is in the name. Did you know that the Conservatives in my country Britain are more centre right than hard right?
The hard left DO hate freedom! For the wrong think, wrong thought, wrong speech. They hate jokes and hate comedy. If you don't tow the leftist line.... they will literally starve you out, doxx you and much worse.
Conservatism is the push back to all of this. Even gen Z are realising this. I'm gen X ..... I hated the conservatives when I was younger. I hated Margaret Thatcher. I voted Liberal Democrat for years. They are the centrist party in uk.
Im not trynna make you upset. Everything I've said in this I can back up with hard facts and evidence.
Most conservative people are more " liberal " than you'd been made to believe.
I agree with what you said in your first paragraph about changing language.

 

[waived]

Well a lot of people would agree with me on Conservatism being the new counter culture... the far left are a disgusting joke. All the disgusting things they want to legalise. Bestiality... and other disgusting philias. They love their version of freedom which is " do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law" Crowley would be proud. Yeah I believe you when you say that the hard left believe in freedom, because to them, morals are subjective.... but orange man bad, it's laughable. The hard left believe that people who are MAPS ( Minor attracted people) (A.K.A kiddy diddlers) should be validated and that their Philia should be termed a valid sexuality!! They also want to decriminalise incest! It seems like they love freedom for the scum of society. ..... well, when you lie down with shite, you will get dirty.
One thing I do agree with you on is that originally conservatism was/is the dominant culture..... they want to preserve and conserve.....the clue is in the name. Did you know that the Conservatives in my country Britain are more centre right than hard right?
The hard left DO hate freedom! For the wrong think, wrong thought, wrong speech. They hate jokes and hate comedy. If you don't tow the leftist line.... they will literally starve you out, doxx you and much worse.
Conservatism is the push back to all of this. Even gen Z are realising this. I'm gen X ..... I hated the conservatives when I was younger. I hated Margaret Thatcher. I voted Liberal Democrat for years. They are the centrist party in uk.
Im not trynna make you upset. Everything I've said in this I can back up with hard facts and evidence.
Most conservative people are more " liberal " than you'd been made to believe.
I agree with what you said in your first paragraph about changing language.

I'm not fragile but I think that if I called you on "Everything i've said in this I can back up with hard facts and evidence.", it would be so painful to suffer through that the mods would undoubtedly close the thread. Also, everything you've said so far is nonsensical horse shit that I can't take seriously.

 

[BPD Barbie]

Politics

 

[BlackPoppet]

I can back up everything thing I've said about the hard left with facts and evidence though lol. It seems like you are a snowflake who doesn't like difference of thought. There is my first evidence and fact. I didn't even have to go far. Bless!!
You may think that what I've said is your own shi.....oops I mean horse shit. However some people on this site and in real life will agree with me. So that sucks for you!
I conceded that a few of your points were correct and that I agreed.
Ivw been researching politics for a decade now. I have a Degree in Psychology a Masters in Entomology, a Diploma inEcology and a Diploma on Sustainable development. I got As to Cs in my exams. I was a competitive Rhythmic gymnast when I was younger. I can speak 5 languages. I did a course on Body language and British sign language. I scored 136 on a Mensa test. Here you are telling me I'm talking horse shit. I'm actually quite erudite. In my humble opinion. It's because I don't parrot your talking points .... isn't it! It's because I don't kowtow to your whims and have my own opinion. Tragic!

 

[waived]

I can back up everything thing I've said about the hard left with facts and evidence though lol. It seems like you are a snowflake who doesn't like difference of thought. There is my first evidence and fact. I didn't even have to go far. Bless!!
You may think that what I've said is your own..., oops I mean horse shit. However some people on this site and in real life will agree with me. So that sucks for you!
I conceded that a few of your points were correct and that I agreed.
Ivw been researching politics for a decade now. I have a Degree in Psychology a degree in Entomology, a Diploma inEcology and a Diploma on Sustainable development. I got As to Cs in my exams. I was a competitive Rhythmic gymnast when I was younger. I can speak 5 languages. I did a course on Body language and British sign language. I scored 136 on a Mensa test. Here you are telling me I'm talking horse shit. I'm actually quite erudite. In my humble opinion. It's because I don't parrot your talking points .... isn't it! It's because I don't kowtow to your whims and have my own opinion. Tragic!

 

[BlackPoppet]

Cute! Did you know that people who post these kind of things, usually have been pwned.....and haven't a response. Lol! cute attempt snow flake. Come now, your safe space is waiting for you. Make sure you bring your pacifier.
Your accreditation is this..... good for you! No response? ....No? .... kay

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

 

[waived]

Cute! Did you know that people who post these kind of things, usually have been pwned.....and haven't a response. Lol! cute attempt snow flake. Come now, your safe space is waiting for you. Make sure you bring your pacifier.
Your accreditation is this..... good for you! No response? ....No? .... kay

I thought the conversation was going okay until you freaked out in that one post. Which was followed by what I have to believe is you using fake credentials to get out of it. Your post here is weird too, have you tried breathing exercises?