a question for the commies

[Dysgenic Pup]

There is a reason I made a mega thread for this shit... discussion of Communism has become an integral part of SaSu.

 

[motel rooms]

Vomit. Everything is covered in literal vomit & I'm finally losing my fucking mind. Thank you, @Chinaski. I wish I could smear your fucking smug face with my disgusting brown vomit & shit. Sorry for going off-topic, that's what lunatics do.

 

[myopybyproxy]

@DrownFeather

just happened to notice their profile pic / about in another thread and that reminded me about this thread

happy debating y'all

 

[Red Scare]

I think I remember arguing with you that the holodomor happened, and if I'm not mistaken, it was you and other active commies who denied it being man-made. To be fair, so many threads have been deleted lately about this discussion, it could've been the other one. Although I'm sure that you have a very pro-soviet take about it.

And no, I didn't denied the banana's massacre, the event that is taught very early in our childhood here in my country. But I wonder, what made you say that?

You have got to be thinking of somebody else, because I have never discussed the holodomor (which isn't even a real word, according to spell check) with you.

Here are some facts for you:

In 1930-33 there was a drought throughout the USSR, in some regions the amount of precipitation was 10-55% below the norm.

This was followed by higher than average rainfall 1932. Precipitation fell two or three times more than normal in Ukraine. Rain poured on Uzbekistan, and in central Russia in there was even a hurricane. A large part of the harvestable grain was destroyed. Humidity triggered the growth of pathogenic bacteria, which destroyed nearly 90 million centners of grain. In 1932, plant diseases destroyed about 50% of the harvest in Germany, Romania, and the Balkans.

Prior this drought and famine happened in 1917, and again in the 1920s. All over Europe cities and towns were recovering from the devastation of WW1.

In an effort to deal with this the Soviet government sought to modernize their agricultural production by purchasing industrial farm equipment from the west. Despite the fact that people were starving, the west placed an embargo on the USSR that prevented them from trading in gold or pretty much anything else of value. Just about the only thing they were allowed to export was grain.

In the same year, thousands of tractors were sent to Ukraine. But 5,000 of these coming from America arrived damaged, or with missing parts. An act of deliberate sabotage.

The grain yield in 1932 was 20-30% lower than normal, exports of Soviet grain abroad were reduced to 1%. The remaining 99% went to feed the population. Still, the Soviet government developed a food distribution system for 40 million people in order to provide food to the population. Unaffected regions sent aid to the regions that were effected.

In the same years, drought struck 23 of the 50 US states, resulting in many deaths. And American President Herbert Hoover refused to provide federal assistance to starving citizens. 50% of cereals died in the states of Minnesota and North Dakota in 1935. This was at the height of the great depression. People were starving to death, dying in roadside camps as they sang "hey brother, can you spare a dime" and the government was absolutely refusing to lift a finger to help anybody, citing "free market forces".

After the 1930s, there were no more famines in the USSR. I've posted this before, but here again is a link to a CIA report that states Soviets ate better than Americans did at the time: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf

Communism was debunked and put into the dustbin of history more than 30 years ago.

Cuba would like a word.

The main reason it was defeated is that communism is the ideology of sexually unsuccessful men - compare Soviet birth rates to US birth rates . There are actually studies around this that show men who are communistic tend to be physically weak and unattractive to women

What the fuck are you smoking? You should put down the glass dick and do some reading. It took me less than 5 seconds to google and find two separate sources that completely demolishes this half baked attempt of yours at making an incoherent point

U.S. and USSR birth rate comparison 1970-1989 | Statista

In 1970, the United States' birth rate was slightly higher than that of the Soviet Union, at 18.2 births per thousand people compared to 17.4 respectively.

www.statista.com

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000380594.pdf

Again, one of these is from the CIA. The most biased source you can find against the USSR, and even they are saying that soviets had higher birth rates, and ate better than Americans.

There is no more recent data, and the Soviet Union fell in 1991, but since then both life expectancy and birth rates are down in the USA. That tends to happen when people can't afford medical bills, or a home.

the detestable Italian faggot

Woah, woah woah.

Like seriously, WTF???

Not cool. This isn't "reclaiming" the word, it doesn't make you look empowered. That's just disgusting. Fuck this.

 

[GentleJerk]

Me ex's dad was from El Salvador, and spent most of his young life fighting there before moving to Australia. He only spoke about it with me once, but I never understood the details as his English wasn't up to scratch.

The whole political situation around what was happening in his country seemed so complex to me. From what I gathered, seeing headless bodies laying in the street while walking to school was the norm for him, and he witnessed many of his family and childhood friends get killed while fighting in the revolution.

He was quite fond of Che Guevara, and had lots of lovely communist and Salvadoran memorabilia in his home. He is very hard working, and a gentleman. I thought the whole thing was fascinating.

 

[whatevs]

Ah, okay. That's true, every communist country so far has ended up totalitarian, but it is not a property of the economic model but the regime that surrounds it. For the record, I don't believe that communism can work in any sizable community, but I do think it's important to point out that communism is an economic system and not a synonym for 'dictatorship' that many people seem to misunderstand it as.

I'm gonna go off on a little tangent, but please bear with me: All too often, people point to flaws in capitalist systems as proof of communism being bad which is just ridiculous when the real problems with communism aren't brought to light. For example, let's take what @whatevs said about communism "produces a clear cut type of oligarchy every time, but without meritocracy". While he is not wrong that this has historically been the case, the same thing is happening today in capitalist nations. Take Elon Musk, for example, the richest man in the world who accumulated his wealth through a combination of market manipulation, selling non-functional products that have killed people because of his PR downplaying the very real risks, actively hurting the environment and killing off endangered species, forcing people to relocate from their homes, fostering a racist workplace -- the list goes on. Not to mention that his companies are highly subsidized by American taxpayer money. If that's not an oligarch without meritocracy, then I don't know what is.

In short, while communism has never worked on a national scale, capitalism is not faring much better and is displaying many of the same problems as communism did.

Oh, without a doubt, please don't take my position as defending the status quo. We definitely live in a plutocratic oligarchy with more nepotism than meritocracy right now in which a few controlled options without real consequence are offered to the electorate. This system is thoroughly criminal and I would want an uprising to happen.

I assume everyone knows this, so when I accuse socialism of creating a similar situation but with less concealed force and more overt centralized power I'm just pointing out that the hypocrisy is more grave in that case, since at least capitalism isn't proclaiming as much that it is going to eradicate an asymmetry of wealth and power. With 'capitalism' you get a similar dictatorship but it's done more cunningly as they focus more on "choice" and "freedom" (lies all the same) than with promises of getting rid of the wealthy superclass.

I like communism as an impossible, endearing dream and is logical than it has never realized. For pragmatic politics is better to start from the basis that people are not equal and a group will always decide more than the rest. Once that's understood as inevitable, probably sofocracy would be best, and having truly spiritual people involved in the governance of mankind. The ethical make up of the elite is the only thing that should matter politically, as everything is downstream from there. As a secondary criterion their intelligence and erudition.

 

[motel rooms]

Like seriously, WTF???

Not cool. This isn't "reclaiming" the word, it doesn't make you look empowered. That's just disgusting. Fuck this.

Well, I am disgusting. Sly, manipulative, spineless, slimy, unprincipled, I stand for absolutely nothing. I'm a misogynistic puddle of vomit because I have arguments with self-admitted man-haters, a despicable lying turd, a persecutor of poor little fans of "mass executions of bourgeois pigs". Hasn't @Chinaski made that clear to everyone? Get with the program, dude.

 

[whatevs]

Oh my. Well this is awkward for you. The thing is you see, I'm not a Stalinist. The word is just communist. For those of us who think communism is a revolutionary alternative to capitalism, it is important for us to counter the propaganda boosted non-stop by the promoters of the status-quo.

The atrocity tale is a typical Ultra‐Rightist propaganda device. In its simplest terms, it consists of charging the Communists with atrocities of such astronomical proportions that the human rights abuses in the west pale to insignificance. It is an oblique way of whitewashing the USA and it's associates.

It has become something of a contest between capitalist apologists to not only exaggerate numbers but to produce new "crimes" to make him seem cartoonishly worse. The actual numbers are clearly not anywhere nearly as high as antisocialists would like.

People who throw numbers like 100 million around have obviously never looked at these simple population and census results, or are counting on you never having looked at them. Here's the actual population of the USSR 1925–59:

1926 148,656,000

1937 162,500,000

1939 168,524,000

1941 196,716,000

1946 170,548,000

1951 182,321,000

1959 209,035,000

Where would they hide 100 million deaths? 60 million deaths? Or even 20 million? I have asked you to provide evidence that the USSR was engaged in any program of genocide or ethnic cleansing. I have asked for evidence that the death toll is as absurdly high as 20 or even 6 million. Neither you nor anybody else here has ever provided any evidence.

It's now known that 1,053,829 total died in the gulag system, with approximately half being during the Second World War. This was of course part of the penal system, and of these, many were common criminals. Only 12–33% suffered imprisonment for unambiguously political reasons. Reactionaries, Counter Revolutionaries and Fascists (and this number declined significantly as thousands of people falsely accused were released). Not a single one starved to death, most died from natural causes. The majority of people returned home after serving out their sentences. Post-war gulag mortality averaged at 0.725%, compared to the 0.56% in modern russian prisons.

These are no different than the mortality rates a standard western prison. Here in USA, there are about 2.5 million inmates at any given time. That would make maybe 10 to 15 million who passed through US prisons in the last 24 years. The number of inmates who die in USA per year, is about the same as the number of inmates who died under Stalin per year. But If we used the same logic to mention american prisons, we should consider the US government responsible for the approximately 100,000 deaths in the penal system over the last 25 years. Just a quick side-note here, there are more people, both proportionally and in absolute numbers in the american penal system today then there were in the soviet penal system.

In the period 1937-1938 there were about 777,975 people that were sentenced to death, but many of these judicial executions were never carried out for various reasons which include the fact that some of these trials were held in absentia and the accused was never found. It's thought that fewer than 250,000 of those were executed.

This included Soviet citizens advocating treasonable offenses such as the violent overthrow of the Soviet government, and those engaged in subversion in the 1930s within the context of guerrilla warfare against the Soviet Union. For example the so called kulaks starved many people because they decided burning their hoarded grain and killing people was better better than sharing and not making a profit. Many of these people were later released on amnesty. In total it is estimated that there were slightly fewer then 300,000 arrests for anti-soviet activities during the 1937-38 period, when according to Getty, a majority of these executions took place.

So let's see, 1.05 million who died in gulags, 777,975 sentenced to death (even assuming they were all executed, which we know they were not), 389,521 kulaks and perhaps as many as 200k other dissidents and casualties of war, that is at most maybe 2.5m people total who died from roughly 1917-1953.

Remember this was during a revolutionary and civil war. There were many who fought back, mostly landlords and bourgeois who stood to lose out from sharing their wealth with others. It's not like you can just attempt to subvert the United States and not wind up in jail, or executed. These people were terrorists.

Western analysis of these events is rarely presented in other than self‐serving anti‐Communist terms of 'Stalin's power hunger', 'the impossibility of the socialist project' or even simple sadism. Such standards of scholarship would certainly not be acceptable for the study of the history of repression in the U.S., where the need to win the Revolution or Civil War is argued and the consequent suspension of the Bill of Rights, and the forcible relocation of Loyalists excused if not justified; similarly, the need to mobilize during World Wars I and II is seen as a mitigating factor in 'overreactions', such as the internment of the Japanese. The dual standards of scholarship conveniently ignore the serious world crisis within which the Soviet leadership was acting in the 1930s, together with the threat of domestic, rural upheavals, and the absolute imperative of industrializing and feeding the people.

Nobody ever mentions that Stalin's policies saved tens upon tens of millions more.

Two key points supporting this: Life expectancy in Imperial Russia shortly before the Bolsheviks seized power was in the early 30s. By the time Stalin died, life expectancy in the Soviet Union was in the mid 60s, higher than the USA during that time. And in pushing back the German advance during WW2, Stalin and the Russian people saved tens of millions of lives that would have been exterminated had the Nazis made more significant territorial gains into the USSR. Russia was also responsible for bringing a swifter close to the war which saved tens of millions more.


My grandfather was Polish, thanks. His Russian grandmother was related to the Romanov's, and fled to Poland. I only mention this because even with this family history, they still spoke highly of communism.

The following represents a rapid increase in living standards in the Polish People's Republic. In 1966–1968 Poles were consuming an average of 47, and in 1975–1977, 61, animal protein grams daily. This is higher than the Western European average, and almost equal to that of the United States. For example, in 1975–1977 West Germans ate an average of 55 grams daily; Italians, 45; and Swedes, 62. In the U.S.A. animal protein consumption per capita was 73 grams daily, and in the USSR, 51 grams (FAO, 1978:table 9).

A radical increase in social services available to the Polish workers also reflects the rise in living standards. In 1977 there was one physician per 610 people in the Polish People's Rep., compared with one per 1,070 in 1960 and one per 2,660 in 1938—the average for all the advances market economies in 1979 was one per 620 people. The attention that the planned economy gives to healthcare was reflected in the radical reduction in infant mortality from 140 per 1,000 live births in 1935 and 111 in 1950 to 22 per 1,000 in 1978 (the U.S. rate in the mid‐1960s; see U.N. Statistical Yearbook, various; World Bank, 1981:tables 20, 21).

Right, so according to you wanting to nationalize the industry, and provide everyone with housing, healthcare, utilities, etc. is as bad as white supremacists who believe that people of other races are inferior to them.

So I guess the American colonists were wrong to kill British people. I guess the allies were wrong to kill nazis. I guess you think they should have all held hands and sung kumbaya.

The thing is, when you are spreading a revolutionary ideology like socialism and there are capitalists who would rather fight to the death than share what they have, or religious organizations that will do everything they can to maintain their stranglehold over communities, you can't just ask them politely to stop doing that.

Ok then, back in the closet with you. Just think, if everybody thought like this men like you and I wouldn't have ever been able to marry who we love.

I've already shown you this excerpt from a CIA document from late 1953 or early 1954. It is a CIA analysis of the transition of power in the USSR after the death of Joseph Stalin. As you can see from the document, the CIA did not even believe in the "theory" of totalitarianism they were propagating. The CIA, also analysed that Stalin's power was not absolute but rather a collective direction and further says that the idea of "dictator" is an exaggeration.

The parts about those social democracies that works isn't the capalism. Neoliberalism is still wreaking havoc in those countries as well. And as Venezuela demonstrated, relying on taxing oil revenues and other wealthy capitalists to fund social programs is doomed to fail sometime. And as is the case with NHS, they still have to purchase medical supplies and pharmaceuticals from capitalists. This is in fact using public money to prop up capitalism.

What you are praising about those countries is that they have nationalized a large part of the infrastructure and healthcare. That's socialism. It isn't any more than that. It doesn't mean murdering millions of people. It means nationalizing the industry and natural resources.

Instead of reading wall of texts from someone called 'Red Scare' with a totalitarian pfp on a suicide forum, I encourage lurkers to buy and read "The Gulag Archipelago". One of the most relevant books politically for those that have to be exposed to people like her on the media, daily life and even in here. It's written beautifully as well.

By the way, if I was a neo Nazi crafting revisionist walls of text in here I would be banned outright. Of course that there is bias in the forum, but it's more to the left side, as you can surmise with this example.

 

[Chinaski]

Well, I am disgusting. Sly, manipulative, spineless, slimy, unprincipled, I stand for absolutely nothing. I'm a misogynistic puddle of vomit because I have arguments with self-admitted man-haters, a despicable lying turd, a persecutor of poor little fans of "mass executions of bourgeois pigs". Hasn't @Chinaski made that clear to everyone? Get with the program, dude.

You need to step the fuck back imo, at no point have l made any reference to your childhood and any abuse you have suffered, l would also prefer if you didn't reference my health as you repeatedly do. I have noticed you avoided the issue of the malicious nonsense you've been spreading in the dms and yes l do maintain that your conduct on here is manipulative in nature, much of your offering in this thread reflects that imo.

 

[Red Scare]

Well, I am disgusting. Sly, manipulative, spineless, slimy, unprincipled, I stand for absolutely nothing. I'm a misogynistic puddle of vomit because I have arguments with self-admitted man-haters, a despicable lying turd, a persecutor of poor little fans of "mass executions of bourgeois pigs". Hasn't @Chinaski made that clear to everyone? Get with the program, dude.

That's no excuse for hate speech.

 

[motel rooms]

You need to step the fuck back imo, at no point have l made any reference to your childhood and any abuse you have suffered, l would also prefer if you didn't reference my health as you repeatedly do. I have noticed you avoided the issue of the malicious nonsense you've been spreading in the dms and yes l do maintain that your conduct on here is manipulative in nature, much of your offering in this thread reflects that imo.

That's right. You win, I've lost my shit. You've managed to expose me as a cheap slanderer, Mighty One. I'm a pathetic coward, "I have no position, no underpinning principle". Those are reserved for sanctimonious assholes like you. Nothing but malicious vomit & feces comes out of my inferior faggot mouth.

That's no excuse for hate speech.

Well fucking report me for using the word other people use to refer to me Can't you see I'm trying to get banned? Do as Chinaski does & calmly enjoy the fact that this forum's Machiavelli is finally digging his grave

 

[Chinaski]

By the way, if I was a neo Nazi crafting revisionist walls of text in here I would be banned outright. Of course that there is bias in the forum, but it's more to the left side, as you can surmise with this example.

What, there's literally one communist in this thread, the rest of it is cluttered with SO YOU THINK SOCIETY CAN BE IMPROVED SOMEWHAT WELL ANSWER ME THIS HAVE U EVER BEEN EXECUTED BY POL POT? CHECKMATE FUCKO type bullshit, the forum is littered with right-wing conspiracy chat and the demands for Muh Free Speech to spew racist or misogynistic bullshit, there is a user here who genuinely believes the mods are members of some Jewish illuminati seeking global dominance by way of issuing percentage warnings, yet you repeatedly make reference to the supposed lack of disciplinary measures doled out to those to your left politically. It's weird how those who complain regularly about being silenced or cancelled or whatever crap are the ones who clamour for banning from this forum for political reasons.

Further, this thread was started by someone literally asking *a question for the commies*. This isn't the first thread on left politics started by someone who is very much not of the left themselves. Communists are not taking over the forum, all of this discussion is driven by those on the right.

 

[Red Scare]

Instead of reading wall of texts from someone called 'Red Scare' with a totalitarian pfp on a suicide forum, I encourage lurkers to buy and read "The Gulag Archipelago". One of the most relevant books politically for those that have to be exposed to people like her on the media, daily life and even in here. It's written beautifully as well.

By the way, if I was a neo Nazi crafting revisionist walls of text in here I would be banned outright. Of course that there is bias in the forum, but it's more to the left side, as you can surmise with this example.

You are a shameless hypocrite.

This is what wikipedia has to say about the book you suggest:

described the book as "folklore", telling a newspaper in 1974 that "the subject of 'Gulag Archipelago,' is not in fact the life of the country and not even the life of the camps but the folklore of the camps." Solzhenitsyn did not consider the novel to be "historical research, or scientific research", and stated that the significance of the novel had been "overestimated and wrongly appraised."

According to actual archival data, approximately 14m Soviet citizens passed through the camps with a peak population of about 2m (1953). They also show that 'political' prisoners were never a majority of the population and that sentences were often relatively short at 3-5 years.

This stands in contrast to Solzhenitsyn's picture of around 50m passing through the camps and a peak population of 12-15m. Solzhenitsyn's book is not representative of the general population and experiences of prisoners of the Gulag.

His book is simply not a comprehensive survey of the Gulag system. The author didn't have access to archives and historical documents, so it's all are based on rumors and personal thoughts. It is hardly considered as some kind of historical source. It's not a memoir or diary it's a fiction novel.

Solzhenitsyn's history of Jewry in Russia, Two Hundred Years Together is roundly condemned by historians for its glaring inaccuracies and for being an anti-Semitic. I don't know why the fuck you would suggest anyone read a book by an anti-semite.

He was a well-known Nazi sympathizer. He is quoted as saying that he hoped Nazi Germany would "liberate" the Russian people toward the end of WWII. His idea of liberation is succumbing to fascism. Later on he militated for a Russian Orthodoxy-led fascist state following the USSR's collapse.

Nothing I wrote above is false. You have not refuted a single thing I wrote with any factual data, or primary historical sources. Instead you suggest a book written by an anti-Semitic fascist. The irony of this is lost on you, even as you compare socialism (a system that regards everybody as equal, and provides people with housing, healthcare, education, etc. to a hateful ideology which views other races as subhuman. You are a joke. This is not even mentioning how fucked up the justice system is in the USA, the most capitalist of all nations.

And if you bothered to read the thread, you would know I am a male. Don't misgender me again, you dimwit. You think just because I was married to a man, and had a husband, that I must be female? Did you know men can marry other men, or did you just default into an outdated and homophobic mindset?

my inferior faggot mouth.

Are you fucking drunk? Who else here has used that word, except for you?

I find this incredibly offensive. And to think, you called someone homophobic becuause they didn't like your gif of men kissing?

 

[whatevs]

You are a shameless hypocrite.

This is what wikipedia has to say about the book you suggest:



According to actual archival data, approximately 14m Soviet citizens passed through the camps with a peak population of about 2m (1953). They also show that 'political' prisoners were never a majority of the population and that sentences were often relatively short at 3-5 years.

This stands in contrast to Solzhenitsyn's picture of around 50m passing through the camps and a peak population of 12-15m. Solzhenitsyn's n]book not representative of the general population and their experience was not shared by all prisoners of the Gulag.

His book is simply not a comprehensive survey of the Gulag system. The author didn't have access to archives and historical documents, so it's all are based on rumors and personal thoughts. It is hardly considered as some kind of historical source. It's not a memoir or diary it's a fiction novel.

Solzhenitsyn's history of Jewry in Russia, Two Hundred Years Together is roundly condemned by historians for its glaring inaccuracies and for being an anti-Semitic. I don't know why the fuck you would suggest anyone read a book by an anti-semite.

He was a well-known Nazi sympathizer. He is quoted as saying that he hoped Nazi Germany would "liberate" the Russian people toward the end of WWII. His idea of liberation is succumbing to fascism. Later on he militated for a Russian Orthodoxy-led fascist state following the USSR's collapse.

Nothing I wrote above is false. You have not refuted a single thing I wrote with any factual data, or primary historical sources. Instead you suggest a book written by an anti-Semitic fascist. The irony of this is lost on you, even as you compare socialism (a system that regards everybody as equal, and provides people with housing, healthcare, education, etc. to a hateful ideology which views other races as subhuman. You are a joke.

And if you bothered to read the thread, you would know I am a male. Don't misgender me again, you dimwit. You think just because I was married to a man, and had a husband, that I must be female? Did you know men can marry other men, or did you just default into an outdated and homophobic mindset?

Hey, someone said in the chat you were a woman, it's Okay to be Gay, dude. I was misinformed!

Wikipedia is nothing but well positioned propaganda cunningly mixed with thousands of scientifically or historically accurate articles. Solzhenitsyn said the truth, not to mention he spent years in Soviet jail so his testimony is worth at least that.

Archival data means "what the Soviets documented about the atrocities they committed"? I'm sure that's very reliable.

Also, this is not the first time you insult me without provocation. You are an obvious fanatic and a piece of shit that can't discuss normally without degrading into ad hominems.

 

[Red Scare]

Hey, someone said in the chat you were a woman, it's Okay to be Gay, dude. I was misinformed!

Wikipedia is nothing but well positioned propaganda cunningly mixed with thousands of scientifically or historically accurate articles. Solzhenitsyn said the truth, not to mention he spent years in Soviet jail so his testimony is worth at least that.

Archival data means "what the Soviets documented about the atrocities they committed"? I'm sure that's very reliable.

I provided one quote from Wikipedia. You know that every page has the references, right? You can look it up yourself. It's not some Jewish conspiracy.

Everything else I wrote was just from google searching, so if you think I used only Wikipedia (as if that matters), well you're wrong.

I am still puzzling over why you would tell people to read a book by an anti-Semitic fascist. Is your mask slipping there?

 

[whatevs]

I provided one quote from Wikipedia. You know that every page has the references, right? You can look it up yourself. It's not some Jewish conspiracy.

Everything else I wrote was just from google searching, so if you think I used only Wikipedia, as if that matters, you're wrong.

I am still puzzling over why you would tell people to read a book by an anti-Semitic fascist. Is your mask slipping there?

I have no mask, genius, my position has always been transparent. It just so happens that I don't make my political views the defining theme of my presence in a suicide forum, like you bizarrely do. But it's fun for some drama.

 

[Red Scare]

I have no mask, genius, my position has always been transparent. It just so happens that I don't make my political views the defining theme of my presence in a suicide forum, like you bizarrely do. But it's fun for some drama.

Are you sure about that? Because from nearly every single one of your comments on this forum I get a very clear sense of your politics.

Its even more obvious when you are suggesting books by known anti-semites. But I guess if I was an anti-Semite or fascist sympathizer, I wouldn't want to admit it is a defining characteristic of my personality either.

FYI I have never started a single thread about communism. I've never brought it up without someone else commenting on the subject first. If I had to guess I'd say most my comments have been in the N from D megathread, or asking and responding to questions about N, and posting in the suicide discussion forum. But you would know that if you weren't so fixated on my political posts.

 

[whatevs]

Are you sure about that? Because from nearly every single one of your comments on this forum I get a very clear sense of your politics.

Its even more obvious when you are suggesting books by known anti-semites. But I guess if I was an anti-Semite or fascist sympathized, I wouldn't want to admit it is a defining characteristic of my personality either.

FYI I have never started a single thread about communism. I've never brought it up without someone else commenting on the subject first. If I had to guess I'd say most my comments have been in the N from D megathread, or asking and responding to questions about N, and posting in the suicide discussion forum. But you would know that if you weren't so fixated on my political posts.

I openly said I'm against Judaism as it is a racial supremacist religion. I am also against fascism and modern democracy at the same time. I would like a democratic system with plural votes, where a battery of varied examinations decides the weight of your vote. Sofocracy, at the end.

Ok, I might have been too extreme with the assertion that you are mostly militantly political in the forum but for example, your nickname and profile pic align with what I said.

 

[motel rooms]

Are you fucking drunk?

No, I'm having a fucking psychotic episode. That sometimes happens to guys like me. Is that also offensive to you? Is it offensive to have C-PTSD & be driven additionally insane by your buddy, a vicious snake with delusions of moral impeccability who got temporarily banned for being the venomous reptile he is & who keeps accusing me of being a manipulative demon & persecuting defenseless innocents, but can't get enough of spitting in my face & sucking my blood just because he can't get over the fact that I quoted the posts in which he called suicidal people dickheads, cunts, dumbfucks, etc. months ago. Petty, vindictive English "gentleman". So sweet, considerate & empathetic, fair play all the way... Detestable hypocrite.

 

[Red Scare]

No, I'm having a fucking psychotic episode. That sometimes happens to guys like me. Is that also offensive to you? Is it offensive to have C-PTSD & be driven additionally insane by your buddy, a vicious snake with delusions of moral impeccability who got temporarily banned for being the venomous reptile he is & who keeps accusing me of being a manipulative demon & persecuting defenseless innocents, but can't get enough of spitting in my face & sucking my blood just because he can't get over the fact that I quoted the posts in which he called suicidal people dickheads, cunts, dumbfucks, etc. months ago. Petty, vindictive English "gentleman". So sweet, considerate & empathetic, fair play all the way... Detestable hypocrite.

Why would that be offensive to me? I have ptsd myself.

Let me be clear here, in case it's not super obvious. Exactly what is offensive to me is the homophobic hate speech.

 

[Chinaski]

he can't get over the fact that I quoted the posts in which he called suicidal people dickheads, cunts, dumbfucks, etc. months ago.

Yeah you're bullshitting here, l mean l can literally link the thread but l suspect very few people are interested, but again this is manipulative, stop doing it imo.

 

[motel rooms]

Yeah you're bullshitting here, l mean l can literally link the thread but l suspect very few people are interested, but again this is manipulative, stop doing it imo.

No, fwiw I won't stop doing anything you tell me to stop doing fwiw imo imho fwiw, you contemptuous contemptible blowhard

 

[Red Scare]

It was at the beginning of pandemic I went for a distanced outdoor walk with an acquaintance who was sharing her point of view on "affordable housing." I thought she meant building more inventory but she insisted that to fix the problem - existing privately owned housing should somehow be made available to people who can't afford it. When I pointed out (literally pointing) these homes around us are owned by people who pay mortgages and taxes and their name is on the deed - I asked her how exactly would that work since they did in fact buy their homes honestly and fairly at market price. I went further and asked how is that going to work if someone can't afford the home or apartment itself what about paying property taxes - and insurance - and maintenance costs - and utilities - which aren't really optional.

She went off on brief tangent about adding (?) more space to existing privately owned housing that would somehow be made available at low or no cost and I pointed out the concept of municipal zoning where no residential structures in this neighborhood are more than two stories. Which is a good thing. And reiterated again these are privately owned homes / condo's - so I asked her what exactly she's proposing?

She then said, "well no offense to the owners but if we just have to burn down all these homes and start all over to make it more fair then thats what we have to do because it's all rigged and everyone should be able to live here if they want."

I was slack jawed - thought for a second surely she's joking - but she wasn't. I said "So we need to burn down privately owned homes toss out the owners build from scratch ok who's paying for the new construction and what happens to the equity the previous owners spent 30 years accumulating? And where do they go if their life's equity is gone ?"

She had no reply.

we had been walking about an hour and I said I needed to head home. I thanked her for the interesting conversation. And honestly made sure I kind of didn't walk directly home right away because her "Solution" made me uncomfortable.

I am not insensitive to homelessness or poverty. But no - burning it all down is definitely not the answer.

I don't know about burning it down, but I think it should be demolished and replaced with public housing. Maybe a standard size, and accommodations. People could still live in nice hours, but in general I would be ok with abolishing private property in this regard and making all housing puboic housing. Maybe build a bunch of those row houses like in England, and nice high rise apartment buildings with good six]zed apartments. As your family grows, ,ay be you could apply for a place with more bed rooms, or a a row house or single dwelling, but sizes and accommodations could be standardized so everyone enjoys a high quality of living. No one pays a mortgage, or rent, housing could be seen as basic right, like voting. Suitable existing housing could be left as is, and renovated to accommodate more people.

Dwellings would be equipped without utilities, and modern amenities. I'd also like some form of a jobs guarantee, and free public schools/universities for those who want to go, with the guarantee they will get a job placement in the field they studied in. No more biologists leaving school in a mountain of debt and having to get jobs as baristas. If they decide to change careers, after a minimum amount of time they could retrain or go back to school. Universal healthcare would be a given.

The advantage of abolishing private property and making all lands public would be many more build parks and spaces, akao nationalizing the infrastructures so that everything from natural gas to electricity could be provided for no more than it costs the state to produce, no profit motive or insane markup.

I guess living in a city with so much homelessness and excess waste, as far as seeing the inflation numbers and witnessing how unemployment can wreak havoc on a community has made me biased. All of this could be done. If landlords and others Refuse to go along with it, they can be sentenced to forced labor building the new public housing and infrastructure. No one should be able to charge someone 1000% mark up for housing.

 

[Chinaski]

No, fwiw I won't stop doing anything you tell me to stop doing fwiw imo imho fwiw, you contemptuous contemptible blowhard

You won't stop bullshitting about other users? Fair enough, but you can expect that people are going to consider this approach to be manipulative.

 

[YourNeighbor]

Instead of insulting people, why don't you tell me exactly what I said that is not factual, and provide sources for those claims?

Because you're not interested in facts. If you were, you'd find them yourself very easily. I also don't debate holocaust deniers or flat-Earthers, or wrestle pigs.

When are you moving to North Korea? It's beautiful this time of year.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

Because you're not interested in facts. If you were, you'd find them yourself very easily. I also don't debate holocaust deniers or flat-Earthers, or wrestle pigs.

When are you moving to North Korea? It's beautiful this time of year.

I make it an open policy to agree to finance a move to North Korea for any communists. I will agree to pay their ticket but the catch is they have to commit to a minimum of ten years . Part of the deal would be if they return or leave NK I get 10 percent of their earnings for life

So far no takers

 

[Symbiote]

Hmm, this thread is one big mess now. Locked.