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Jul 1, 2023
59
1) FIREARMS
Firearms are the cause of death for more than 60% of male suicide
deaths each year. They are often thought to be the most sure way of committing
suicide, and the easiest. This is also the messiest way, and the most diff-
icult for family members to cope with. It may not necessarily be the most
error free form of suicide, either. If you are planning to use a firearm, be
sure it is at LEAST a .38 or .357 caliber, as anything smaller may not cause
death, and then you're stuck a veggie. Also, the preferred way to blow you
brains out is by putting the barrel of the gun in your mouth, pointed up at
the base of your brain. You could also do a Cobain and use a shotgun. That is
just as effective :)
2) SLASHING WRISTS
This is actually not as painful as one might think. As long as you
use a sharp blade, it can be quite effective. First, get a large pan or bowl
and fill it with VERY cold water and ice cubes. LOTS of ice. Sit your fore-
arm in it for about 1 hour, or until your arm is COMPLETELY numb. Now, get a
sharp knife, such as a ginsu or your mom's best carving blade, if you don't
have a suitable one. Otherwise use one of those razor util knives, and extend
the blade to full length. Make three cuts.
a) At the transition of your wrist into your hand, right
across.
b) At a 45ø angle starting from the left point of the first
cut. Go from upper-left to lower-right (if it's your left)
c) From close to the center of the wrist, cut straight down
your arm, as far as possible without causing yourself pain
This has the effect of severing the many arteries in your arm, with no hope
of a blood clot or similar effect. You probably have about 6-10 minutes after
doing this, so do it during the Simpsons or something so you can laugh for the
final 10 minutes of your life.
3) CYANIDE
Cyanide is a very controverial substance. According to different acc-
ounts, death by cyanide ingestion can be quick and painless (12 sec.) or long
drawn out and unbearably painful (4 or 5 days of writhing pain). It is essent-
ially unpredicatble, but death is almost certain in any situation. Cyanide
can be obtained from peach pits, although I am unsure of the exact process
right now (look for an upcoming CH HPA)
Here are directions for one form of cyanide:
1. Take a small glass of cold TAP WATER (it has the proper pH)
2. Stir 1.0 to 1.5 g KCN (potassium cyanide) into the water
3. After about 5 minutes, the KCN is dissolved and ready to drink
4. After drinking, you will lose consiuosness in about 1 minute
5. Death will follow the coma in 15 to 45 minutes.
4) INJECTION
The key to injecting anything is being able to use a seringe. I will
assume you know how to do this. It is important that all substances I will
describe here be injected into a VEIN, not an ARTERY. This way they will be
re-distributed thru the heart when the blood reaches the heart.
A) AIR
Injection of a LARGE amount of air into the blood stream will
cause cardiac arrest in the victim. The only problem is the
amount of air that's needed. Close to 40 CC's is required.
Death is fairly painless, and reasonably fast.
B) DISTILLED WATER
I believe this will work, although I am not positive. You
would probably have to inject the better part of a whole
bottle of water, like Evian. I don't know about the death.
C) IODINE
This is used in China to kill newborn babies. You can use
either Iodine or Rubbing Alchohol. 20 to 40 CC's should
ensure rapid death.
D) NICOTINE
See my file on making pure nicotine syrup, or one of the
files in the Jolly Roger Cookbook. Since a few drops ingested
will cause swift death, I would think that 2-3 CC's directly
injected should make quick work of you. Be aware that once
it is injected you will be stoned out of your mind for the
few (5-10?) minutes before death.
5) PLASTIC BAG
This is usually used as extra insurence, and should be used with any
method that involves OD'ing on anything, because this is a failproof
way to commit suicide. Take a mid sized plastic bag. Not one small
enough that you'd choke on it, cause that just sucks. Use one that
is fairly large, but not one that would take forever to fill. Maybe
a shopping bag or something. Put it on your head and take 2 rubber
bands and secure it around your neck. The effect is simple. You will
eventually (1-2 hrs) use up all the Oxygen in the bag. As you run
low, you will just get sleepy, and fall asleep, and never wake up.
Drug List:
The following table shows some of the most popular prescription drugs
and the requirments to kill yourself. All of the pills should be
taken with alchohol, as this increases the intensity of the drugs.

Generic Name Trade Name Lethal Dose #/tablets
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Flurazepam Dalamane 3g 100*30mg
Chloral Hydrate Noctec 10g 20*500mg
Meprobamate Miltown, Equanil 45g 112*400mg
Meperidine Demerol 3.6g 72*50mg
Morphine --- 200mg 14*15mg
Secobarbital Seconal (sleep agent) 4.5g 45*100mg
Propoxyphene Darvon (NOT DARVOCET) 2.0g 30*65mg
The best way to take these is to grind up about 3/4 of them and put them in
a yogurt or pudding. Sweeten it with suger to offset the taste. First take
the other 1/4 of them with a glass of wine. Then eat the yogurt with a fair
amount of speed. Then wash it all down with some scotch, wiskey, or other
hard liquor.

Fatal Liquids:
This mixture will work well and be fatal with extreme speed (several
minutes)
Pentobarbital sodium 9g
Alcohol 20ml
Purified Water 15ml
Propylene glycol 10ml
Orange Syrup 50ml
(Secobarbital sodium can be substituted for the Phenobarbital sodium if
neccesary)
 
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iusedtobehappy

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Dec 2, 2023
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1) FIREARMS
Firearms are the cause of death for more than 60% of male suicide
deaths each year. They are often thought to be the most sure way of committing
suicide, and the easiest. This is also the messiest way, and the most diff-
icult for family members to cope with. It may not necessarily be the most
error free form of suicide, either. If you are planning to use a firearm, be
sure it is at LEAST a .38 or .357 caliber, as anything smaller may not cause
death, and then you're stuck a veggie. Also, the preferred way to blow you
brains out is by putting the barrel of the gun in your mouth, pointed up at
the base of your brain. You could also do a Cobain and use a shotgun. That is
just as effective :)
2) SLASHING WRISTS
This is actually not as painful as one might think. As long as you
use a sharp blade, it can be quite effective. First, get a large pan or bowl
and fill it with VERY cold water and ice cubes. LOTS of ice. Sit your fore-
arm in it for about 1 hour, or until your arm is COMPLETELY numb. Now, get a
sharp knife, such as a ginsu or your mom's best carving blade, if you don't
have a suitable one. Otherwise use one of those razor util knives, and extend
the blade to full length. Make three cuts.
a) At the transition of your wrist into your hand, right
across.
b) At a 45ø angle starting from the left point of the first
cut. Go from upper-left to lower-right (if it's your left)
c) From close to the center of the wrist, cut straight down
your arm, as far as possible without causing yourself pain
This has the effect of severing the many arteries in your arm, with no hope
of a blood clot or similar effect. You probably have about 6-10 minutes after
doing this, so do it during the Simpsons or something so you can laugh for the
final 10 minutes of your life.
3) CYANIDE
Cyanide is a very controverial substance. According to different acc-
ounts, death by cyanide ingestion can be quick and painless (12 sec.) or long
drawn out and unbearably painful (4 or 5 days of writhing pain). It is essent-
ially unpredicatble, but death is almost certain in any situation. Cyanide
can be obtained from peach pits, although I am unsure of the exact process
right now (look for an upcoming CH HPA)
Here are directions for one form of cyanide:
1. Take a small glass of cold TAP WATER (it has the proper pH)
2. Stir 1.0 to 1.5 g KCN (potassium cyanide) into the water
3. After about 5 minutes, the KCN is dissolved and ready to drink
4. After drinking, you will lose consiuosness in about 1 minute
5. Death will follow the coma in 15 to 45 minutes.
4) INJECTION
The key to injecting anything is being able to use a seringe. I will
assume you know how to do this. It is important that all substances I will
describe here be injected into a VEIN, not an ARTERY. This way they will be
re-distributed thru the heart when the blood reaches the heart.
A) AIR
Injection of a LARGE amount of air into the blood stream will
cause cardiac arrest in the victim. The only problem is the
amount of air that's needed. Close to 40 CC's is required.
Death is fairly painless, and reasonably fast.
B) DISTILLED WATER
I believe this will work, although I am not positive. You
would probably have to inject the better part of a whole
bottle of water, like Evian. I don't know about the death.
C) IODINE
This is used in China to kill newborn babies. You can use
either Iodine or Rubbing Alchohol. 20 to 40 CC's should
ensure rapid death.
D) NICOTINE
See my file on making pure nicotine syrup, or one of the
files in the Jolly Roger Cookbook. Since a few drops ingested
will cause swift death, I would think that 2-3 CC's directly
injected should make quick work of you. Be aware that once
it is injected you will be stoned out of your mind for the
few (5-10?) minutes before death.
5) PLASTIC BAG
This is usually used as extra insurence, and should be used with any
method that involves OD'ing on anything, because this is a failproof
way to commit suicide. Take a mid sized plastic bag. Not one small
enough that you'd choke on it, cause that just sucks. Use one that
is fairly large, but not one that would take forever to fill. Maybe
a shopping bag or something. Put it on your head and take 2 rubber
bands and secure it around your neck. The effect is simple. You will
eventually (1-2 hrs) use up all the Oxygen in the bag. As you run
low, you will just get sleepy, and fall asleep, and never wake up.
Drug List:
The following table shows some of the most popular prescription drugs
and the requirments to kill yourself. All of the pills should be
taken with alchohol, as this increases the intensity of the drugs.

Generic Name Trade Name Lethal Dose #/tablets
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Flurazepam Dalamane 3g 100*30mg
Chloral Hydrate Noctec 10g 20*500mg
Meprobamate Miltown, Equanil 45g 112*400mg
Meperidine Demerol 3.6g 72*50mg
Morphine --- 200mg 14*15mg
Secobarbital Seconal (sleep agent) 4.5g 45*100mg
Propoxyphene Darvon (NOT DARVOCET) 2.0g 30*65mg
The best way to take these is to grind up about 3/4 of them and put them in
a yogurt or pudding. Sweeten it with suger to offset the taste. First take
the other 1/4 of them with a glass of wine. Then eat the yogurt with a fair
amount of speed. Then wash it all down with some scotch, wiskey, or other
hard liquor.

Fatal Liquids:
This mixture will work well and be fatal with extreme speed (several
minutes)
Pentobarbital sodium 9g
Alcohol 20ml
Purified Water 15ml
Propylene glycol 10ml
Orange Syrup 50ml
(Secobarbital sodium can be substituted for the Phenobarbital sodium if
neccesary)
Thank you for this. I have tried the plastic bag, an oven roasting bag, secured with a robe belt. I had it on for about 45 minutes, could barely breathe and thought any second I would pass out. Finally, I gave up. So, 1-2 hours? I guess I didn't leave it on long enough.
 
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Thank you for this. I have tried the plastic bag, an oven roasting bag, secured with a robe belt. I had it on for about 45 minutes, could barely breathe and thought any second I would pass out. Finally, I gave up. So, 1-2 hours? I guess I didn't leave it on long enough.
Wonder if I can work with benzos
 
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Wonder if I can work with benzos
Ironically, I had weaned off Xanax 3 months before and was determined to do it sober. I had a pic of my husband who died on my laptop and our songs on a loop and that helped to distract me. The robe belt was off the robe I gave him our first Christmas together, so that was symbolic and kind of comforting. I relied totally on non-drug comforts. It was really uncomfortable obviously, barely being able to take a breath and every second I would literally think ok I'm gong to pass out any second, hang on but I think after reading this post, it wasn't long enough.
 
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Ironically, I had weaned off Xanax 3 months before and was determined to do it sober. I had a pic of my husband who died on my laptop and our songs on a loop and that helped to distract me. The robe belt was off the robe I gave him our first Christmas together, so that was symbolic and kind of comforting. I relied totally on non-drug comforts. It was really uncomfortable obviously, barely being able to take a breath and every second I would literally think ok I'm gong to pass out any second, hang on but I think after reading this post, it wasn't long enough.
I'm really sorry about your husband. That sounds like it was a very difficult time. Never thought the plastic bag method would work but it seems that it's possible. Putting a bag over your head sounds distressing especially since you'll be waiting to pass on.
 
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It is distressing but with the end result in mind, it was weirdly ok. I was pissed when I finally took the bag off and hadn't even passed out.
 
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It is distressing but with the end result in mind, it was weirdly ok. I was pissed when I finally took the bag off and hadn't even passed out.
How did you feel as you were going through it?
 
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How did you feel as you were going through it?
Oddly there was very little panic. I was determined. I felt uncomfortable not being able to breathe well but the thought of passing out kept me going and I looked forward to it so in a weird way, I was kind of excited. So psychologically, it wasn't that bad but physically, it could have been more comfortable. I kept thinking this is just my body that is struggling, that is natural, but my mind and hopefully my soul will be free soon. Having the songs playing and looking at his pic helped tremendously. I looked at it as I'm going on a trip to be with him so the end result was preferable to staying.
 
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2) SLASHING WRISTS
This is actually not as painful as one might think. As long as you
use a sharp blade, it can be quite effective. First, get a large pan or bowl
and fill it with VERY cold water and ice cubes. LOTS of ice. Sit your fore-
arm in it for about 1 hour, or until your arm is COMPLETELY numb. Now, get a
sharp knife, such as a ginsu or your mom's best carving blade, if you don't
have a suitable one. Otherwise use one of those razor util knives, and extend
the blade to full length. Make three cuts.
a) At the transition of your wrist into your hand, right
across.
b) At a 45ø angle starting from the left point of the first
cut. Go from upper-left to lower-right (if it's your left)
c) From close to the center of the wrist, cut straight down
your arm, as far as possible without causing yourself pain
This has the effect of severing the many arteries in your arm, with no hope
of a blood clot or similar effect. You probably have about 6-10 minutes after
doing this, so do it during the Simpsons or something so you can laugh for the
final 10 minutes of your life.
Will I die without pain if I follow this?

EDIT: IIRC, the success rate of cutting is close to unity; will this method really work?
 
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Oddly there was very little panic. I was determined. I felt uncomfortable not being able to breathe well but the thought of passing out kept me going and I looked forward to it so in a weird way, I was kind of excited. So psychologically, it wasn't that bad but physically, it could have been more comfortable. I kept thinking this is just my body that is struggling, that is natural, but my mind and hopefully my soul will be free soon. Having the songs playing and looking at his pic helped tremendously. I looked at it as I'm going on a trip to be with him so the end result was preferable to staying.
I see, it seems like having the music and a pic of your husband took away from feeling any further distress during the process. Hmm, maybe that excitement came from the expectation that it'd be all over soon
 
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I see, it seems like having the music and a pic of your husband took away from feeling any further distress during the process. Hmm, maybe that excitement came from the expectation that it'd be all over soon
Absolutely.
 
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Absolutely.
Once again, I'm really sorry for your loss, losing someone that you shared a life with can't be the easiest thing to move on so I understand why you felt the way you did when you attempt. The ambience of music and pics definitely helped.
 
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Once again, I'm really sorry for your loss, losing someone that you shared a life with can't be the easiest thing to move on so I understand why you felt the way you did when you attempt. The ambience of music and pics definitely helped.
Thank you. It's just been long enough without him and that life. ❤️
 
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If only potassium cyanide was that easy to buy.
 
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Will I die without pain if I follow this?

EDIT: IIRC, the success rate of cutting is close to unity; will this method really work?
If followed correctly then your rate of success will be incredibly high. Cutting is a common method with low success rate if done without the correct knowledge and planning. - In short, yes.
 
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I want to fade away.
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I'm confused. I searched Final Exit but found no information regarding the second method. Do you have a source for that one in particular? There's also no mention of injecting iodine, nicotine, or distilled water (although I'm unsure if these are meant to be your additions). I'm not sure how effective air embolism is, nor that it is fast, as Pieter Admiraal, author of "Guide to a humane self-chosen death,'' states "To kill somebody with air you would have to inject at least 100-200ml as quickly as possible in a vein as big as possible close to the heart. You would have to fill the whole heart with air at once. The heart would probably beat on for several minutes, perhaps five to 15 minutes, and during the first minutes the person may be conscious." From a cursory search, I found this paper and this paper on suicide by air embolism, but it's so rare as a suicide method that we have very limited data on it. It doesn't seem like a viable method, though.
 
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Mar 15, 2024
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1) FIREARMS
Firearms are the cause of death for more than 60% of male suicide
deaths each year. They are often thought to be the most sure way of committing
suicide, and the easiest. This is also the messiest way, and the most diff-
icult for family members to cope with. It may not necessarily be the most
error free form of suicide, either. If you are planning to use a firearm, be
sure it is at LEAST a .38 or .357 caliber, as anything smaller may not cause
death, and then you're stuck a veggie. Also, the preferred way to blow you
brains out is by putting the barrel of the gun in your mouth, pointed up at
the base of your brain. You could also do a Cobain and use a shotgun. That is
just as effective :)
2) SLASHING WRISTS
This is actually not as painful as one might think. As long as you
use a sharp blade, it can be quite effective. First, get a large pan or bowl
and fill it with VERY cold water and ice cubes. LOTS of ice. Sit your fore-
arm in it for about 1 hour, or until your arm is COMPLETELY numb. Now, get a
sharp knife, such as a ginsu or your mom's best carving blade, if you don't
have a suitable one. Otherwise use one of those razor util knives, and extend
the blade to full length. Make three cuts.
a) At the transition of your wrist into your hand, right
across.
b) At a 45ø angle starting from the left point of the first
cut. Go from upper-left to lower-right (if it's your left)
c) From close to the center of the wrist, cut straight down
your arm, as far as possible without causing yourself pain
This has the effect of severing the many arteries in your arm, with no hope
of a blood clot or similar effect. You probably have about 6-10 minutes after
doing this, so do it during the Simpsons or something so you can laugh for the
final 10 minutes of your life.
3) CYANIDE
Cyanide is a very controverial substance. According to different acc-
ounts, death by cyanide ingestion can be quick and painless (12 sec.) or long
drawn out and unbearably painful (4 or 5 days of writhing pain). It is essent-
ially unpredicatble, but death is almost certain in any situation. Cyanide
can be obtained from peach pits, although I am unsure of the exact process
right now (look for an upcoming CH HPA)
Here are directions for one form of cyanide:
1. Take a small glass of cold TAP WATER (it has the proper pH)
2. Stir 1.0 to 1.5 g KCN (potassium cyanide) into the water
3. After about 5 minutes, the KCN is dissolved and ready to drink
4. After drinking, you will lose consiuosness in about 1 minute
5. Death will follow the coma in 15 to 45 minutes.
4) INJECTION
The key to injecting anything is being able to use a seringe. I will
assume you know how to do this. It is important that all substances I will
describe here be injected into a VEIN, not an ARTERY. This way they will be
re-distributed thru the heart when the blood reaches the heart.
A) AIR
Injection of a LARGE amount of air into the blood stream will
cause cardiac arrest in the victim. The only problem is the
amount of air that's needed. Close to 40 CC's is required.
Death is fairly painless, and reasonably fast.
B) DISTILLED WATER
I believe this will work, although I am not positive. You
would probably have to inject the better part of a whole
bottle of water, like Evian. I don't know about the death.
C) IODINE
This is used in China to kill newborn babies. You can use
either Iodine or Rubbing Alchohol. 20 to 40 CC's should
ensure rapid death.
D) NICOTINE
See my file on making pure nicotine syrup, or one of the
files in the Jolly Roger Cookbook. Since a few drops ingested
will cause swift death, I would think that 2-3 CC's directly
injected should make quick work of you. Be aware that once
it is injected you will be stoned out of your mind for the
few (5-10?) minutes before death.
5) PLASTIC BAG
This is usually used as extra insurence, and should be used with any
method that involves OD'ing on anything, because this is a failproof
way to commit suicide. Take a mid sized plastic bag. Not one small
enough that you'd choke on it, cause that just sucks. Use one that
is fairly large, but not one that would take forever to fill. Maybe
a shopping bag or something. Put it on your head and take 2 rubber
bands and secure it around your neck. The effect is simple. You will
eventually (1-2 hrs) use up all the Oxygen in the bag. As you run
low, you will just get sleepy, and fall asleep, and never wake up.
Drug List:
The following table shows some of the most popular prescription drugs
and the requirments to kill yourself. All of the pills should be
taken with alchohol, as this increases the intensity of the drugs.

Generic Name Trade Name Lethal Dose #/tablets
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Flurazepam Dalamane 3g 100*30mg
Chloral Hydrate Noctec 10g 20*500mg
Meprobamate Miltown, Equanil 45g 112*400mg
Meperidine Demerol 3.6g 72*50mg
Morphine --- 200mg 14*15mg
Secobarbital Seconal (sleep agent) 4.5g 45*100mg
Propoxyphene Darvon (NOT DARVOCET) 2.0g 30*65mg
The best way to take these is to grind up about 3/4 of them and put them in
a yogurt or pudding. Sweeten it with suger to offset the taste. First take
the other 1/4 of them with a glass of wine. Then eat the yogurt with a fair
amount of speed. Then wash it all down with some scotch, wiskey, or other
hard liquor.

Fatal Liquids:
This mixture will work well and be fatal with extreme speed (several
minutes)
Pentobarbital sodium 9g
Alcohol 20ml
Purified Water 15ml
Propylene glycol 10ml
Orange Syrup 50ml
(Secobarbital sodium can be substituted for the Phenobarbital sodium if
neccesary)
How effective is the plastic bag method?
 
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minashatz

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Sep 16, 2022
6
Κατά ειρωνικό τρόπο, είχα απογαλακτιστεί το Xanax 3 μήνες πριν και ήμουν αποφασισμένος να το κάνω νηφάλιος. Είχα μια φωτογραφία του συζύγου μου που πέθανε στο φορητό υπολογιστή μου και τα τραγούδια μας σε βρόχο και αυτό με βοήθησε να αποσπάσω την προσοχή μου. Η ζώνη της ρόμπας ήταν από τη ρόμπα που του έδωσα τα πρώτα μας Χριστούγεννα, οπότε αυτό ήταν συμβολικό και κάπως παρήγορο. Βασίστηκα πλήρως σε ανέσεις χωρίς ναρκωτικά. Ήταν πολύ άβολο προφανώς, μόλις μπορούσα να πάρω μια ανάσα και κάθε δευτερόλεπτο κυριολεκτικά πίστευα ότι θα λιποθυμήσω κάθε δευτερόλεπτο, υπομονή, αλλά νομίζω ότι μετά την ανάγνωση αυτής της ανάρτησης, δεν ήταν αρκετό.
Ακριβώς τα ίδια. Μόνο που εμένα έσπασε η ζώνη της ρόμπες της....
 
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mrtime87

Experienced
Jul 9, 2024
208
I was wondering the same thing. Could it be that simple?
No. The peaceful pill handbook even argued that this method is very unreliable. You'll wake up and take off the bag. Inert gas is a better method because it replaced the oxygen. Taking drugs before you put the bag on is ineffective. It won't work
 
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locked*n*loaded

Archangel
Apr 15, 2022
7,258
I hope people take all this with a dose of healthy skepticism. At least most of it. And some of the deaths caused by these methods will be anything but peaceful.
 
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Dumbass

Member
Jun 4, 2019
86
2) SLASHING WRISTS
This is actually not as painful as one might think. As long as you
use a sharp blade, it can be quite effective. First, get a large pan or bowl
and fill it with VERY cold water and ice cubes. LOTS of ice. Sit your fore-
arm in it for about 1 hour, or until your arm is COMPLETELY numb. Now, get a
sharp knife, such as a ginsu or your mom's best carving blade, if you don't
have a suitable one. Otherwise use one of those razor util knives, and extend
the blade to full length. Make three cuts.
aah so giving yourself frostburn before cutting? i do that often for regular sh, would this really work though?
also given SI or just normal panicky thoughts, are there any measures that should be taken beforehand to avoid going back on it? like taking something to make you feel more loopy
 

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