deathbyginger
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- Oct 24, 2019
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I saw this thread earlier which linked to a video by Dr. Philip Nitschke that spoke about the use of SN as a peaceful pill.
One thing that really stood out to me in this video was at about 17 minutes in, he mentions a 1-week dietary supplement regimen prior to ingesting SN to increase the effectiveness. The name of the substance was hard to catch so I had to rewatch it a few times to get it, but I believe it was Phytic acid.
So, let's get on the topic of a 1-week dietary supplement regimen.
Phytic acid is essentially an enzyme inhibitor.
If you don't know already what an enzyme is, it's basically a substance that helps a reaction take place.
In the case of ingesting SN, we are in a battle with the enzyme Methemoglobin Reductase.
Methemoglobin Reductase works to convert the Methemoglobin back into Hemoglobin.
If you understand the premise of SN already, you know that you are hoping to convert enough Hemoglobin into Methemoglobin at a fast enough rate that the Methemoglobin overrules the Hemoglobin in the blood. The rate is crucial because Methemoglobin Reductase is constantly converting Methemoglobin back into Hemoglobin.
In simple terms: It means that you want to convert the oxygen carrying molecules into molecules that cannot carry oxygen in our body, so eventually we die from lack of oxygen. But, to do that we must convert the oxygen carrying molecules into ones that don't carry oxygen at a fast enough rate, because this process is always being reversed thanks to an annoying enzyme. smh.
Now, we're in luck because there is something we can do about it.
We can inhibit (meaning to restrain) that bastard Methemoglobin Reductase.
Now to do this, we need an enzyme inhibitor.
Now like... where can I those? Good question.
After doing a bit of research, I ran into many articles (mostly being repeats, but this is still significant) about Inhibition of NADH-methemoglobin reductase by organic phosphates.
I have linked the article so you can read it yourself, but the most important part is this:
Do a quick google search for this molecule, and you find this as a dietary supplement generally used to treat cancer and heart disease (ironic, am I right?).
You can order capsules from a crap ton of places on the web, including amazon and eBay.
If you're paying attention, you might realize that I begun this thread talking about Phytic acid, as recommended by Dr. Philip Nitschke.
Well simply, Phytic acid is also known as inositol hexaphosphate, or even sometimes goes under the name IP6 (referring to 6 phosphates).
So, by looking up any of these names you can find readily available find capsules that will inhibit Methemoglobin Reductase.
So what? Can't you CTB without this junk?
Yes, you would be right. But, to CTB without this junk, it requires that you consume a larger dose of SN.
While, this may not be a problem for everyone, it in theory, can decrease the symptoms of SN poisoning.
The most vulnerable symptom being vomiting. As, the SN needs to be absorbed as much as possible into your system. vomiting = boohooo :(
Also, in theory, you could decrease the time it takes to reach death because you are no longer fighting back the enzyme Methemoglobin Reductase.
So, win - win, right?
Well YES! :D
The only risk of consuming Phytic Acid is decreased absorption of minerals. Which of course, consuming on a long-term basis (over years or more), could result in malnutrition. But I don't think that even applies to this topic.
Phytic Acid is found naturally foods like: Almonds, Beans, Brazil Nuts, Hazelnuts, and Lentils
So no risk of consuming it there, cause you're already getting some amount from just eating.
One thing I would like to note is that Phytic acid has a pH of ∼6-7, so it wouldn't be a concern of offsetting the pH in your stomach (which is ∼1.5-3.5 pH).
And if you know anything about the pH scale, 7 is neutral.
Conclusion and Method
Thank you, if you got to the end of this, it means a lot that you could find anything I wrote even slightly interesting.
If you're planning on taking SN, this is something you may wish to consider.
It would simply involve taking the supplement for a full week prior to consuming SN, as per recommended by Dr. Nitschke.
Please note, that is information is purely up for discussion. I am by no means condoning the consumption of Phytic acid. There just isn't really any direct studies to speak about how it could react with someone consuming SN.
Let me know what you guys think.
One thing that really stood out to me in this video was at about 17 minutes in, he mentions a 1-week dietary supplement regimen prior to ingesting SN to increase the effectiveness. The name of the substance was hard to catch so I had to rewatch it a few times to get it, but I believe it was Phytic acid.
So, let's get on the topic of a 1-week dietary supplement regimen.
Phytic acid is essentially an enzyme inhibitor.
If you don't know already what an enzyme is, it's basically a substance that helps a reaction take place.
In the case of ingesting SN, we are in a battle with the enzyme Methemoglobin Reductase.
Methemoglobin Reductase works to convert the Methemoglobin back into Hemoglobin.
If you understand the premise of SN already, you know that you are hoping to convert enough Hemoglobin into Methemoglobin at a fast enough rate that the Methemoglobin overrules the Hemoglobin in the blood. The rate is crucial because Methemoglobin Reductase is constantly converting Methemoglobin back into Hemoglobin.
In simple terms: It means that you want to convert the oxygen carrying molecules into molecules that cannot carry oxygen in our body, so eventually we die from lack of oxygen. But, to do that we must convert the oxygen carrying molecules into ones that don't carry oxygen at a fast enough rate, because this process is always being reversed thanks to an annoying enzyme. smh.
Now, we're in luck because there is something we can do about it.
We can inhibit (meaning to restrain) that bastard Methemoglobin Reductase.
Now to do this, we need an enzyme inhibitor.
Now like... where can I those? Good question.
After doing a bit of research, I ran into many articles (mostly being repeats, but this is still significant) about Inhibition of NADH-methemoglobin reductase by organic phosphates.
I have linked the article so you can read it yourself, but the most important part is this:
Now, I'm no doctor or anything. But if what I'm reading is true, this means we can inhibit that bastard at last using an organic phosphate known as inositol hexaphosphate.
Do a quick google search for this molecule, and you find this as a dietary supplement generally used to treat cancer and heart disease (ironic, am I right?).
You can order capsules from a crap ton of places on the web, including amazon and eBay.
If you're paying attention, you might realize that I begun this thread talking about Phytic acid, as recommended by Dr. Philip Nitschke.
Well simply, Phytic acid is also known as inositol hexaphosphate, or even sometimes goes under the name IP6 (referring to 6 phosphates).
So, by looking up any of these names you can find readily available find capsules that will inhibit Methemoglobin Reductase.
So what? Can't you CTB without this junk?
Yes, you would be right. But, to CTB without this junk, it requires that you consume a larger dose of SN.
While, this may not be a problem for everyone, it in theory, can decrease the symptoms of SN poisoning.
The most vulnerable symptom being vomiting. As, the SN needs to be absorbed as much as possible into your system. vomiting = boohooo :(
Also, in theory, you could decrease the time it takes to reach death because you are no longer fighting back the enzyme Methemoglobin Reductase.
So, win - win, right?
Well YES! :D
The only risk of consuming Phytic Acid is decreased absorption of minerals. Which of course, consuming on a long-term basis (over years or more), could result in malnutrition. But I don't think that even applies to this topic.
Phytic Acid is found naturally foods like: Almonds, Beans, Brazil Nuts, Hazelnuts, and Lentils
So no risk of consuming it there, cause you're already getting some amount from just eating.
One thing I would like to note is that Phytic acid has a pH of ∼6-7, so it wouldn't be a concern of offsetting the pH in your stomach (which is ∼1.5-3.5 pH).
And if you know anything about the pH scale, 7 is neutral.
Conclusion and Method
Thank you, if you got to the end of this, it means a lot that you could find anything I wrote even slightly interesting.
If you're planning on taking SN, this is something you may wish to consider.
It would simply involve taking the supplement for a full week prior to consuming SN, as per recommended by Dr. Nitschke.
Please note, that is information is purely up for discussion. I am by no means condoning the consumption of Phytic acid. There just isn't really any direct studies to speak about how it could react with someone consuming SN.
Let me know what you guys think.
