Would you still visit this forum if you could only access it with TOR?

[noname223]

I am with maybe. But I tend to a no. I had to do more research about it. The dark net sounds scary. I am anxious about illegal content or malware. Both is omnipresent on the dark net.

It is a tough decision. I don't know much about TOR and which steps had to be made in order to browse in a safe way. Isn't it also easier to get hacked or spied on on the dark net?

I hate this feeling of being a criminal. I don't see any solution in sight for my problems. But I am forced to break the law if I don't want to gamble whether a train cripples me or not. I have the feeling suicidal people get criminalized by the system. There are pretty high punishments for importing N which is very cynical.

We are forced further and further into niches. I already feel bad because the media describes us as monsters. Moreover I am scared to get in legal trouble just by being a member. But I don't have another valve that works as good as this forum. It helps me to cope with my suicidality.

Maybe people with more knowledge could elaborate on the risks.

I have the feeling to force this forum further into niches could have a negative impact on the atmosphere. I could imagine there are a lot of shady and insane people on the dark net. So there might be more questionable members as a consequence.

What do you think about it? I feel like I need this website but I don't know whether the price of the dark net is too high.

 

[randy]

yes, the darknet is perfectly safe as long as you don't go looking for trouble.

 

[suisuiforum]

Using TOR itself isn't illegal, and if you just connect to TOR and paste the SS onion link you'll end up on the site as if you were using a normal browser, with the exact same layout and content. You don't have to visit other parts of the dark web if you don't want to. The only thing I don't like about using TOR browser is that sometimes websites load more slowly, but SS seemed to work just fine when I tried the TOR site.

 

[wantittoendsoon]

I'm using TOR and this is the only site I go to...right now anyway

 

[VirtualSnow]

I am anxious about illegal content or malware. Both is omnipresent on the dark net.

Just don't get in any site that contains those, simple as that.

Isn't it also easier to get hacked or spied on on the dark net?

No, not at all. In fact it's rather harder to do so since the main premise of it is anonymity. You should be safe as long as you don't get in any weird places and fuck around with suspicious files, but that applies to any part of the internet really.

I could imagine there are a lot of shady and insane people on the dark net. So there might be more questionable members as a consequence.

Same answer as before, this is not a thing of the dark net but rather of the internet as a whole, I'm sure this forum has had it's fair share of shady members, as almost any public space on the net. But sure, this could increase with given anonymity, that's why it's not possible to register through Tor or VPNs as for now.

But to be fair, I don't think it'd be much of a problem, the worst would be the stigma and perhaps even harder criminalization from the media and some users not being able to log in since it needs some specific software.

 

[MelancholyMagic]

No.

 

[Secret]

Using TOR itself isn't illegal, and if you just connect to TOR and paste the SS onion link you'll end up on the site as if you were using a normal browser, with the exact same layout and content. You don't have to visit other parts of the dark web if you don't want to. The only thing I don't like about using TOR browser is that sometimes websites load more slowly, but SS seemed to work just fine when I tried the TOR site.

Thank you. That makes sense. I have never used TOR before, so I was a bit concerned.

 

[disabledlife]

What should not be done to allow this forum to exist.

Tor remains the only way for all threatened websites to exist.

Tor is the most secure internet in the world, so much so that the United States is offering a massive reward to anyone who can break Tor, because no one has ever broken Tor's security!

This is why so many journalists, anti-corruption associations, investigators (investigative journalism), people who revolt against dictatorships, certain markets for legitimate products but considered illegal according to absurd laws (purchase of N for example), continue to use Tor. Even Edward Snowden considers Tor secure!

So it's true, but like everywhere else on the internet, you don't have to go anywhere if you want to stay safe on Tor!

It's true that a secure and undetectable system, including by the police, also attracts illegal and criminal markets, unfortunately it's like that everywhere.

All technologies, vehicles, bunkers, tools, territories can be used to do good, but also to do harm.

This forum has a link on Tor, but it does not change that you are redirected to this forum, like in a normal browser, what changes is the secure protocol, undetectable by pro-lifers for example, or authorities who could spy on you and shut down the forum, or force you into a psychiatric hospital.

Even Facebook has its Tor address, to bypass countries with locked internet like China.

It's really sad that the pro-lifes are doing everything to destroy this forum, they are doing everything to make us prisoners of our lives, not leaving us the choice to live or leave when we want, and by the desired means, to peaceful way for example.

The pro-lifes are contemptuous torturers without limits, who torture everyone who wishes to leave in peace because everyone knows that no one asked to be born, in a world of suffering and wars.

Among the pro-lifes, there are pharmaceutical lobbies, retirement home lobbies, disabled home lobbies, multinational lobbies, finance lobbies, material lobbies for the disabled, health lobbies psychiatry, corrupt politicians, religious extremists... as long as there are interests, especially financial ones, to keep people alive at all costs, against their will, there are no limits!

 

[Inferno]

The internet here in Australia is already slow enough.

 

[disabledlife]

Don't ask yourself why websites load slowly on Tor, it's completely normal, it's a big security that causes this problem.

Indeed, Tor goes from server to server, for example private computers, associations, etc., which in turn secure the data packets, in order to cover their tracks and prevent any espionage or hacking, for example.

It's the onion system, like Russian dolls. Hence the addresses that end in .onion, to recall the protocol.
Tor can be used by Tor Browser, which the official Tor site offers, it is a Mozilla Firefox browser, slightly modified to be secure, in particular on privacy and anonymity.

There's also the privacy-focused Chrome-based browser Brave, which offers private mode tabs, with a Tor connection.

It seems to me that the Tor Browser browser is available on Android and Apple Store, this remains to be confirmed.

 

[Rainy_days]

Doesn't "dark" net just refer to websites being unlisted? It has a connotation of being illicit but that's not necessarily so... seems like you have to go out of your way to acquire specific addresses if you were after criminal things.

 

[Mondsucher]

Doesn't "dark" net just refer to websites being unlisted? It has a connotation of being illicit but that's not necessarily so... seems like you have to go out of your way to acquire specific addresses if you were after criminal things.

Yes, "darknet" is just the general term for websites that need specific software to load them. For example, you can only visit .onion addresses via the tor browser. Of course, it has the connotation of being illicit, but imo this is mostly because:
a) there just are many sites giving you access to illegal stuff
b) most people are not knowledgeable on the subject and can't differentiate between fearmongering articles and the fact that everyone can host a .onion address and display legal stuff
c) the media / government has no interest in keeping you safe and anonymous. If everyone advocated for online anonymity, this would threaten national security and make it harder for governments to keep the surveillance going as easy as it is right now

There are specific .onion only search engines that will show you tons of links leading to illegal content in minutes, sadly...

 

[jodes2]

I'd use it but less, because it's so bloody slow

 

[lionetta12]

I am with maybe. But I tend to a no. I had to do more research about it. The dark net sounds scary. I am anxious about illegal content or malware. Both is omnipresent on the dark net.

It is a tough decision. I don't know much about TOR and which steps had to be made in order to browse in a safe way. Isn't it also easier to get hacked or spied on on the dark net?

I hate this feeling of being a criminal. I don't see any solution in sight for my problems. But I am forced to break the law if I don't want to gamble whether a train cripples me or not. I have the feeling suicidal people get criminalized by the system. There are pretty high punishments for importing N which is very cynical.

We are forced further and further into niches. I already feel bad because the media describes us as monsters. Moreover I am scared to get in legal trouble just by being a member. But I don't have another valve that works as good as this forum. It helps me to cope with my suicidality.

Maybe people with more knowledge could elaborate on the risks.

I have the feeling to force this forum further into niches could have a negative impact on the atmosphere. I could imagine there are a lot of shady and insane people on the dark net. So there might be more questionable members as a consequence.

What do you think about it? I feel like I need this website but I don't know whether the price of the dark net is too high.

I probably wouldn't.

 

[catowice]

I think I would. But I also think that this forum wouldn't feel the same with only TOR.

We are used to perceiving TOR as shady and dangerous even if it's not. To safely use it will also require some technical familiarity and cyberspace security skills. Maybe just the basics but it still is, and is more consequential without.

To give up on normal accessing would also be to give up a major part of those of us who made the forum it is now.

 

[Unending]

I definitely would.
I downloaded tor and have the address saved just in case I end up needing it.

 

[novem]

I am with maybe. But I tend to a no. I had to do more research about it. The dark net sounds scary. I am anxious about illegal content or malware. Both is omnipresent on the dark net.

It is a tough decision. I don't know much about TOR and which steps had to be made in order to browse in a safe way. Isn't it also easier to get hacked or spied on on the dark net?

I hate this feeling of being a criminal. I don't see any solution in sight for my problems. But I am forced to break the law if I don't want to gamble whether a train cripples me or not. I have the feeling suicidal people get criminalized by the system. There are pretty high punishments for importing N which is very cynical.

We are forced further and further into niches. I already feel bad because the media describes us as monsters. Moreover I am scared to get in legal trouble just by being a member. But I don't have another valve that works as good as this forum. It helps me to cope with my suicidality.

Maybe people with more knowledge could elaborate on the risks.

I have the feeling to force this forum further into niches could have a negative impact on the atmosphere. I could imagine there are a lot of shady and insane people on the dark net. So there might be more questionable members as a consequence.

What do you think about it? I feel like I need this website but I don't know whether the price of the dark net is too high.

1 you are too paranoid
2 tor is not darknet
3 tor was funded by the american government and they have onion links

 

[WorthlessTrash]

No. I'm too much of an idiot to do that.

 

[milkandcoffee]

I would 100%. I'm grateful they set up an onion for it.

 

[VirtualSnow]

because no one has ever broken Tor's security!

While I agree with some of your points, that's not true at all, there have been several fruitful deanonymization attacks on Tor (hell, we've even had rogue exit nodes running for quite a long time). Not only that, every tech-competent government has developed (or even paid for) these, the russian FSB even got theirs leaked a couple of years ago. Now, talking about Brave and smartphone Tor clients, sure, they exist, but I wouldn't recommend them in almost any situation, since they're vastly inferior to the actual Tor Browser.

 

[disabledlife]

While I agree with some of your points, that's not true at all, there have been several fruitful deanonymization attacks on Tor (hell, we've even had rogue exit nodes running for quite a long time). Not only that, every tech-competent government has developed (or even paid for) these, the russian FSB even got theirs leaked a couple of years ago. Now, talking about Brave and smartphone Tor clients, sure, they exist, but I wouldn't recommend them in almost any situation, since they're vastly inferior to the actual Tor Browser.

Thanks you, I searched informations about this, I found this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmi...id-law-enforcement-break-tor/?sh=6423d1114bf7
Why US Government continue to fund Tor despite they would to hack Tor security? https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-US-government-create-and-continue-to-fund-Tor
A way should be found to combine an SSL tunnel (Https) through a VPN through Tor, to limit or even eliminate the risk of attacks by corrupt nodes. I'm extremely afraid that this forum is closed!

This closure would be the ultimate blow for all people so disillusioned by society, kept alive by force.

This closure will leave people in despair without solutions, and especially without being listened to by caring people who will respect their choices, including wanting to die peacefully, at all times.

Paradoxically, the closure of this forum will push many people to CTB, out of despair, for fear of being caught by pro-lifers, being forcibly committed to a psychiatric hospital or even going to prison!

 

[VirtualSnow]

Thanks for the article, at the end of it it actually mentions a pretty interesting paper, for anyone interested, it's a pretty good read, gives some insight on attacks to Tor users. Anyway, there's no need to worry too much about any law enforcement trying to take down the forum, there are far more important targets out there, abhorrent sites that have been up for years now without a thing being done to them.

 

[StarlightDreamer]

I definitely would, but I'd miss all the people who wouldn't. :c