Discussion Would You Stick Around If Presidential Candidate Andrew Yang Gave Each Of Us $1,000 A Month?

[GeorgeJL]

So presidential candidate wants to give every American a $1,000 dollars a month. Which is known as UBI universal basic income. That isn't enough to make most people want to quit their jobs, but it's enough that if someone didn't want to or couldn't work that they could share an apartment with a friend. I think I would quit my job and meditate full time if UBI got passed as law in America. Oh and Andrew Yang already made it to the presidential debates. I think he's got a real chance of taking America by storm. I'm voting for him.

And BTW this isn't socialism. In socialism government controls the production and distribution of goods.

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[FTL.Wanderer]

Someone else recently posted that on another suicide forum the question was posed how much financial concerns are people's major reason for ctb. There seemed to be two groups of responders--the majority who were considering suicide due to money problems and others extra money wouldn't have been enough to deter from suicide. I'm among the latter. If I were filthy rich, I'd stick around to lavish money on the causes that matter most to me and to spend all my time around non-human beings. $1000/month would be a boon for many, assuming property owners and vital services providers don't raise their prices to (over-)compensate for any UBI. But since my problems are based in what I am, I'd just be living a longer miserable, lonely life locked away in a room in a shared apartment I could afford. Listening to other suicidal people teaches me there's virtually no hope for some of us.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Someone else recently posted that on another suicide forum the question was posed how much financial concerns are people's major reason for ctb. There seemed to be two groups of responders--the majority who were considering suicide due to money problems and others extra money wouldn't have been enough to deter from suicide. I'm among the latter. If I were filthy rich, I'd stick around to lavish money on the causes that matter most to me and to spend all my time around non-human beings. $1000/month would be a boon for many, assuming property owners and vital services providers don't raise their prices to (over-)compensate for any UBI. But since my problems are based in what I am, I'd just be living a longer miserable, lonely life locked away in a room in a shared apartment I could afford. Listening to other suicidal people teaches me there's virtually no hope for some of us.

Yes I realize that money can't fix most of our problems but for many it does. I could easily see myself being one of those people if I lost my job tomorrow. Thanks for chiming in.

 

[elizabeth.luck]

I think I would long enough to pay off my debt and then get out.

 

[Kikoo Loool]

Someone else recently posted that on another suicide forum [...]

Oh, are there other free suicide forums?

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

Oh, are there other free suicide forums?

There are Google Groups, several, you can register to participate on.

 

[Lara Francis]

Oh, are there other free suicide forums?

There are, but this one is by far the best.
Others are prolife and there are restrictions on what u can talk about without getting banned.

 

[EmotionlessWanderer]

It would also allow people who spend all of their paycheck because of rent and necessities to afford more hobbies and lifestyles. It can also help out debt like other's said. It's not just about giving unemployed people money to spare.

But in all honesty I could see the rich elitists and the overly idealistic " If you don't have it you don't work hard enough " coots sabotaging it somehow without putting any effort to understand how it could help out struggling people.

You know it's a sad and cruel world when you have to get permission from people who don't struggle just to help out those who do struggle just by a tad.

 

[Kikoo Loool]

There are, but this one is by far the best.
Others are prolife and there are restrictions on what u can talk about without getting banned.

OK, that's what I had noticed! I'm very surprised that SS is not closed or banned by the governments.

 

[brighter]

No. I don't have the sort of problems money can take away.

 

[Lara Francis]

OK, that's what I had noticed! I'm very surprised that SS is not closed or banned by the governments.

Dont worry, its safe and remains a great place allowing freedom of speech amongst like minded and understanding people.

 

[GeorgeJL]

There are Google Groups, several, you can register to participate on.

Yeah I've been to them most of them are now dead with hardly no activity.

 

[EmotionlessWanderer]

Yeah I've been to them most of them are now dead with hardly no activity.

It's confirmed. Sanctioned Suicide is the last internet bastion for pro choice. We must defend it.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

There are, but this one is by far the best.
Others are prolife and there are restrictions on what u can talk about without getting banned.

While I agree this is the best suicide forum (two thumbs up), from what I've experienced of the Google Groups, they are pretty neutral and allow people to discuss methods freely. The biggest difference between the Google Groups and this site is that this site feels more like a supportive community. The Google Groups communities can be--often are--very ... acerbic. I mention this mostly because I hope it's a source of encouragement for the self-determination community that despite the strong sanctions against suicide talk just about everywhere else, in addition to documented growing public support (in the West) for individual end-of-life decision-making freedom, there are several pro-autonomy online sites people don't have to be adept at navigating the dark web to access.

 

[Nitromask]

I didn't read this whole thread or watch the videos, so I don't know if anyone else has made this point, but the problem I have with this is the fact that this would just devalue money...since everyone would be getting a free $1,000 a month, the value of $1,000 would obviously drop. Everything would cost more due to the fact that money is now essentially worthless and you'd be back in the exact same position

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I didn't read this whole thread or watch the videos, so I don't know if anyone else has made this point, but the problem I have with this is the fact that this would just devalue money...since everyone would be getting a free $1,000 a month, the value of $1,000 would obviously drop. Everything would cost more due to the fact that money is now essentially worthless and you'd be back in the exact same position

I agree and have made similar arguments elsewhere. But the UBI proponents invariably shoot down such arguments, arguing that in the very limited environments with something similar (like Alaska and the oil industry shoot-backs to citizens there...) no such compensatory responses have been seen. I don't trust land lords, for example, not to raise rents more aggressively to accommodate "the market." --> "We used to charge $1500 for this one-bedroom apartment shared between two people, but now..."

 

[reveriewong]

I like Yang and think he is well-intentioned, but I don't think UBI would be sustainable.
I agree with Nitromask that people would start to devalue money, and I also think it would give people an incentive to not work. Work is good.

I also agree with FTL. Wanderer that landlords would likely raise rent to accommodate UBI. Businesses would also raise prices as well.