would you consider SN and PN interchangeable?

[ayanitoolz]

it seems to be way easier to get potassium nitrite and it has the same effect as SN. i have heard that the taste is way worse though, does anyone know if that'd true? and you have to use a higher dose too. anyone consider PN now that SN is so much harder to acquire?

 

[gothbird]

It's KN, not PN by the way!

But yes, I think it is. I actually wrote a whole thing on it, and the more I see people having trouble acquiring SN, the more I'm tempted to share it.
I'm pretty sure KN tastes quite similar to SN, though of course I can't say for certain. KN is super easy to get hold of compared to SN right now.
I don't believe you need to take a higher dose the more I've looked into it. I thought that at first, but after reading this study, I think the dosage would be roughly the same as SN. For those under 99kg/220lb, it's 25g; over 100kg/220lb, it's 30-35g. The preparation, storage, and everything else are the same as SN!

I've ordered some and might use it as my main method, even though I have SN. If it can help others, I'd be happy to donate myself lol.

EDIT:
The only research I have found for potentially needing a higher dose is in this book which says:

Which in dumb people terms means SN is 67% nitrite by weight and KN is 54% nitrite by weight so:

25 mg SN × 0.67 = 16.75 mg nitrite

KN dose × 0.54 = 16.75 mg

So if the normal SN dose is 25 mg then to get an equivalent dose in KN, you'd need 31mg.

 

[ayanitoolz]

It's KN, not PN by the way!

But yes, I think it is. I actually wrote a whole thing on it, and the more I see people having trouble acquiring SN, the more I'm tempted to share it.
I'm pretty sure KN tastes quite similar to SN, though of course I can't say for certain. KN is super easy to get hold of compared to SN right now.
I don't believe you need to take a higher dose the more I've looked into it. I thought that at first, but after reading this study, I think the dosage would be roughly the same as SN. For those under 99kg/220lb, it's 25g; over 100kg/220lb, it's 30-35g. The preparation, storage, and everything else are the same as SN!

I've ordered some and might use it as my main method, even though I have SN. If it can help others, I'd be happy to donate myself lol.

EDIT:
The only research I have found for potentially needing a higher dose is in this book which says:

Which in dumb people terms means SN is 67% nitrite by weight and KN is 54% nitrite by weight so:


So if the normal SN dose is 25 mg then to get an equivalent dose in KN, you'd need 31mg.

lol i totally forgot potassium is K, i'm not that good at chemistry

and thank you so so much for all this! this is actually really affirming cause i'm running into a lot of roadblocks with acquiring SN so i think i'll definitely order some KN now that i'm more assured of its effectiveness

also is it a big deal to use a larger dose of KN than necessary just to make sure it works properly? cause everyone uses 25g of SN even though we're all buying 100g packages so i wonder why people don't just take way more. is it cause it's more likely to cause vomiting?

 

[gothbird]

lol i totally forgot potassium is K, i'm not that good at chemistry

and thank you so so much for all this! this is actually really affirming cause i'm running into a lot of roadblocks with acquiring SN so i think i'll definitely order some KN now that i'm more assured of its effectiveness

also is it a big deal to use a larger dose of KN than necessary just to make sure it works properly? cause everyone uses 25g of SN even though we're all buying 100g packages so i wonder why people don't just take way more. is it cause it's more likely to cause vomiting?

No worries!
I might post my KN thread sometime here soon, so I will let you know.

So the main reason why people don't overkill the dose with SN (or KN) is because larger doses greatly increase the chance of vomiting, which can ruin the method entirely. Nitrites are strong gastric irritants. The stomach lining gets inflamed, and this triggers immediate vomiting before enough can be absorbed. Doses above a certain threshold don't work better, they just become more dangerous in the wrong ways. Very large doses can lead to delayed/reduced absorption too which just means a slower, more distressing death.

 

[ayanitoolz]

No worries!
I might post my KN thread sometime here soon, so I will let you know.

So the main reason why people don't overkill the dose with SN (or KN) is because larger doses greatly increase the chance of vomiting, which can ruin the method entirely. Nitrites are strong gastric irritants. The stomach lining gets inflamed, and this triggers immediate vomiting before enough can be absorbed. Doses above a certain threshold don't work better, they just become more dangerous in the wrong ways. Very large doses can lead to delayed/reduced absorption too which just means a slower, more distressing death.

wow you're really good at biology! thanks so much, i appreciate it a lot

 

[gothbird]

wow you're really good at biology! thanks so much, i appreciate it a lot

Jobless behavior, unfortunately. I like to read. :P
Wishing you the best of luck out there!

 

[gottacheckout]

Great information

 

[gothbird]

@gottacheckout @ayanitoolz Here you go: https://sanctionedsuicide.site/threads/kn-potassium-nitrite-method.209945/

 

[Intoxicated]

It's KN, not PN by the way!

Lol, why? PN seems more logical as an abbreviation in English - Potassium Nitrite. KN looks like NaN which is neither a correct chemical formula of the compound nor an abbreviation formed in a sensible way.

 

[gothbird]

Lol, why? PN seems more logical as an abbreviation in English - Potassium Nitrite. KN looks like NaN which is neither a correct chemical formula of the compound nor an abbreviation formed in a sensible way.

You're acting like I made it up myself! Haha. KN is the scientific name. Take it up with the scientists!

 

[Intoxicated]

KN is the scientific name. Take it up with the scientists!

Never heard of such a scientific name of KNO2, unless you count the local forum users as scientists )) As far as I can see, the abbreviations KN and PN are used interchangeably here, and most people understand both. Arguing that KN is more correct looks somewhat weird, since the IUPAC name of the compound is potassium nitrite.

 

[quietwoods]

Never heard of such a scientific name of KNO2, unless you count the local forum users as scientists )) As far as I can see, the abbreviations KN and PN are used interchangeably here, and most people understand both. Arguing that KN is more correct looks somewhat weird, since the IUPAC name of the compound is potassium nitrite.

use whichever one you want. Don't feel this is a subject worth much discussion lol