fiteorflite2
Member
- Oct 4, 2018
- 11
in short .. the only thing holding me back is fear of the afterlife...thoughts? thinking carbon monoxide end-all /.
Kind of like survival instinct, you have to overcome it
throwaway123
Hell0
- Aug 5, 2018
- 1,446
yea but how? That's the million dollar question.
The way i think of it is that ill be happier there than i am here. That & alcohol helps.
Probably different for everyone
DreamFreedom
Thane
- Oct 3, 2018
- 68
He afterlife is the one thing I'm actually looking forward to. I don't believe in heaven or hell but I do think there's a whole new universe.
I got over the fear by reading about/ watching videos of peoples out of body experiences, or dying and coming back to life.
Do you believe in any specific afterlife?
I got over the fear by reading about/ watching videos of peoples out of body experiences, or dying and coming back to life.
Do you believe in any specific afterlife?
Justanotherconsumer
Paragon
- Jul 9, 2018
- 974
I just accept it as being much better than current existence, although it feels like cheating because of a previous out of body experience, and contact of a parent who had ctb. Not that i have no dought of an afterlife, but if it does exist then i have an idea of what to expect.
Odds are there isn't an afterlife. I've studied many world religions and literatures and there is a consistent pattern of plagiarism through all religions. The Jews took stories and writings from the Greeks, The Christians from the Jews, The Muslims from the Christians etc. You have to ask yourself, if there is a God, does he expect me to be fluent in 30 different languages and have to navigate through the thousands of denominations of each religions just to worship him and if I don't or I pick the wrong religion I'll be tortured for eternity? There is also the question of why would God put me through something he knows will make me kill myself to send me to hell. Everyone has a point where they will commit suicide believe it or not, even if it is standing at the top of the burning towers during 9/11. Most great thinkers like Albert Einstein and the founding fathers believed in Deism, or a distant God and to me this makes the most sense if there is one. Maybe this God is just committing and experiment on all of us and once we die he'll reward us for participating. Who knows. But even the idea of "eternal damnation" has been challenged. In the earliest versions of the Old Testament, the idea of hell was merely that sinners and non believers would be incinerated i.e they would disappear and not get an afterlife. The church, authors like Dante, and translators manipulated these words into sinners being burned alive and tortured for all of eternity. Even the idea of eternal damnation was stolen from the Greeks idea of Hades. The Greeks in turn actually took this idea from the Egyptians, as we know from their book of the Dead that they believed in a sort of Hell as well. I don't think there is an afterlife but if there is I highly doubt anyone, even Hitler, will face eternal damnation.
Is it because of your religion?
Or just the fear of the unknown.
Justanotherconsumer
Paragon
- Jul 9, 2018
- 974
Yeah i think Einstein believing in "spinozas" god, makes alot of sense, if creation depended on natural forces at work it would never happen, all the complex arrangement of dna ect. Would never happen. It would be like putting raw metal in a dryer and expecting a toaster. Same with planets, rotation, space cancelling out the effects of weight. Its pretty mind boggling and whether such a force would have any regard for its creations who knows.
I've seen evidence that convinced me both ways. To be honest I don't understand how life and cells could develop without a God from self replicating RNA strands but I'm not a scientist. However, if the universe in truly infinite as we believe, then it is inevitable that intelligent life will exist somewhere in the universe. There's an old thought experiment that suggests that if you give a monkey a keyboard and infinite time eventually he will type out the complete works of Shakespeare.
Justanotherconsumer
Paragon
- Jul 9, 2018
- 974
But first you hafe to create a monkey and a man to build the keyboard, not to mention Shakespeare. And given infinite time you still will not get the works of shakespear from him, unless a man teaches him to type from the works of shakespear.
Ive no fear of the afterlife. I reckon the only afterlife will be perceptional. If you die, as your functions slow down to zero time will stretch further and further, and in a lot of ways how you go will define what happens. To that end, I believe we are our own makers of "heaven" or "hell" (if when you go, you regret it, or feel agony or are tormenting yourself, this thought will sloooooow down and be what you seem to have forever).
For me, it will be trying to focus on maybe the 1-2 times in my life I was happy. If as time slows down and my body shuts down, as time stretches to infinity, that's the thought I want to last.
For me, it will be trying to focus on maybe the 1-2 times in my life I was happy. If as time slows down and my body shuts down, as time stretches to infinity, that's the thought I want to last.
Red star
Experienced
- Sep 15, 2018
- 206
You can take precaution if you want. I made a thread about this when I joined. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...t-helping-your-soul-heal-in-the-process.4573/
I believe in something larger than this world but I don't believe in one god, heaven, or hell. If anything that some piece of us goes on mentally and physically. A part of this world eternally. It saddens me because I want no part. I didnt believe and I dont believe. I wont "drink the koolaid" based on faith lol.
I do strongly believe that we do not conciously progress past death. I think humans are strong at adapting and through dark times our minds craft the craziest ideas. Some good being welcoming us for actions we took here or comdemning us? Its just a fairytale to make us sleep at night. To make us not go absolutely nuts when we lose a loved one. We cope how we need to. Surviving. We are animals and we just do what we think we need to survive.
When I die I want whats left of me donated to people who need parts of me and the remains turned to ash and that scattered. Fertilizer or whatever. Afterlife? I hope not. My life was a sick joke.
I do strongly believe that we do not conciously progress past death. I think humans are strong at adapting and through dark times our minds craft the craziest ideas. Some good being welcoming us for actions we took here or comdemning us? Its just a fairytale to make us sleep at night. To make us not go absolutely nuts when we lose a loved one. We cope how we need to. Surviving. We are animals and we just do what we think we need to survive.
When I die I want whats left of me donated to people who need parts of me and the remains turned to ash and that scattered. Fertilizer or whatever. Afterlife? I hope not. My life was a sick joke.
Avicii
Looking
- Sep 4, 2018
- 424
who really thinks there is an afterlife ?? what strikes me is intelligent people believing in god
said it before but i guess closer we get to death we may say a prayer on the off chance thats what zane did say one prayer in case you know
said it before but i guess closer we get to death we may say a prayer on the off chance thats what zane did say one prayer in case you know
Aesthler
Death is the only God who comes when you call
- Sep 25, 2018
- 416
You can run from death but certainly not forever. I'm not saying you have to ctb either. It's just that we all will have to peek behind the curtain someday. Whatever lies beyond good, bad, or nothing at all is something I'm looking forward to simply because I know it's going to be unlike living.
Fucking loving it
Specialist
- Sep 3, 2018
- 378
I'm not afraid. My belief is that I will be with my daughter again.
I know I'm selfish bc I have a son that's alive. That's why I'm still here.
I know I'm selfish bc I have a son that's alive. That's why I'm still here.
Revok
Member
- Oct 6, 2018
- 69
Coming from someone with a background in neuroscience:
Your ability for conscious experience is directly linked to your brain activity. People find it hard to imagine that conscious experience just stops, but the reality is that you were unconscious before you were born, were unconscious during anesthesia if you've ever had a semi-major surgery, are unconscious for periods of time each night when you sleep, and there is no reason to assume that being dead would be any different.
A theoretical conscious afterlife without a brain would be weird indeed, because without your brain you would be unable to form memories or remember things. You would not be able to receive any sensory input, nor process any information. You couldn't be happy or sad, in pain, excited, stressed, bored or have any emotions or mental states for that matter, since those are also tied to brain activity.
What would even be left of you at that point?
Of course you may always believe in magic and things that transcend human comprehension and the endless possibilities that come with it, but at that point it's quite impossible to have a discussion, or make any predictions, because at that point anything goes and there is no point in worrying about it.
Maybe people who commit suicide have won the interstellar gameshow where everyone is in a matrixlike simulation and you wake up and get a million space dollars while those who finish to late get thrown to the space sharks.
Maybe it was all just a weird dream and you are really a 6-dimensional being of pure energy.
Maybe it's a roguelike and you get to start over after buying some power ups.
Maybe 2+2=5
But if you want the answer based on what we know and what is reasonable, then being dead is like being unconscious, which should be a familiar state to anyone. A deep and dreamless slumber. To me that seems very enticing.
You are free to believe whatever you wish though. Just try to not stress over it. <3
Your ability for conscious experience is directly linked to your brain activity. People find it hard to imagine that conscious experience just stops, but the reality is that you were unconscious before you were born, were unconscious during anesthesia if you've ever had a semi-major surgery, are unconscious for periods of time each night when you sleep, and there is no reason to assume that being dead would be any different.
A theoretical conscious afterlife without a brain would be weird indeed, because without your brain you would be unable to form memories or remember things. You would not be able to receive any sensory input, nor process any information. You couldn't be happy or sad, in pain, excited, stressed, bored or have any emotions or mental states for that matter, since those are also tied to brain activity.
What would even be left of you at that point?
Of course you may always believe in magic and things that transcend human comprehension and the endless possibilities that come with it, but at that point it's quite impossible to have a discussion, or make any predictions, because at that point anything goes and there is no point in worrying about it.
Maybe people who commit suicide have won the interstellar gameshow where everyone is in a matrixlike simulation and you wake up and get a million space dollars while those who finish to late get thrown to the space sharks.
Maybe it was all just a weird dream and you are really a 6-dimensional being of pure energy.
Maybe it's a roguelike and you get to start over after buying some power ups.
Maybe 2+2=5
But if you want the answer based on what we know and what is reasonable, then being dead is like being unconscious, which should be a familiar state to anyone. A deep and dreamless slumber. To me that seems very enticing.
You are free to believe whatever you wish though. Just try to not stress over it. <3
fiteorflite2
Member
- Oct 4, 2018
- 11
fiteorflite2
Member
- Oct 4, 2018
- 11
well...no1 knows how we got here. very weirded out by that - makes me feel like the unexplained mystery could extend into post-death
We do know though
We are born then we die
Religion & Society we live in has made this so much more complicated then it has to be.
If there was a deeper meaning wouldn't you think we would have found it by now or had proof or something/anything?
I knew nothing before I was born,
I learned what I can and lived my life the best I could when I die it will be nothingness.
Temporarilyabsurd
NOISE:signal
- Apr 27, 2018
- 438
after death, you only exist in close relatives' memories.
Jai
Specialist
- Sep 23, 2018
- 384
Raised Catholic hell terrifies me I don't believe it but it's held me back
I believe in the God from the NDEs and am sure the afterlife is a wonderful place to be.
So don't worry about it. Either it is great, or you fall into the neverending sleep. Both options are great!
So don't worry about it. Either it is great, or you fall into the neverending sleep. Both options are great!
Wantingpeace
Wizard
- Aug 16, 2018
- 672
I hope one of the two which would be better than what have now..
Each person can only rely on their own ideas about this, there are a million ways to think about it depending on what your life has been and the cultural environment and your genes. Our ideas can change also, from day to day depending on mood, influences, reading. If someone 'knows' they have faith and good luck to them. I tend to hope that either there will be nothing or it will be better, being worse is a chance i'm willing to take though. I can't say i'm sure about any of it but there are lots of interesting concepts around. I quite like the idea of a gradual process whereby i become better eventually and my faults and selfishness are somehow improved upon. That this is the first rung of the ladder. But then, i would, wouldn't i.
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i read books about the similarities in religion and agree with what you say, they exchange ideas and absorb them historically, it seems.
Buddhism in general values life, especially because, while we are alive, we have the opportunity to advance spiritually. The process of death and rebirth slows down that advancement. If we haven't reach an adequate stage of development, we may even have to start at or near the beginning in our next lifetime. So, from the Buddhist point of view, being alive presents a tremendous opportunity that is not to be taken lightly. Throwing that opportunity away is frowned upon. At the same time, under certain conditions, suicide has been mentioned in Buddhist teachings. The Buddhist teachings also recognize that everything involves individual choice and an examination of immediate circumstances.
I chose this quote not because i am a buddhist, i'm not. But this is why i like buddhism and of all the philosophies it is just so cool.
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What Revok said :)
Besides, I think religions had to invent the whole "suicide is a sin" thing to restrain their followers. Because in the past people had pretty miserable lives too (starvation and overwork being much more common), and since they really believed in eternal life in a paradise, many would just kill themselves to get there sooner.
Besides, I think religions had to invent the whole "suicide is a sin" thing to restrain their followers. Because in the past people had pretty miserable lives too (starvation and overwork being much more common), and since they really believed in eternal life in a paradise, many would just kill themselves to get there sooner.
