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[fixitinpost]

What about you @fixitinpost, do you have any other professional advices we could use? :)

It's a pretty broad topic, so any advice I could give would probably be more useful if you could narrow it down a bit. Are you looking for jobs and need advice on the application process, or are you currently employed and need advice on career progression? And what field of work is this about?

 

[aneurysm]

It's a pretty broad topic, so any advice I could give would probably be more useful if you could narrow it down a bit. Are you looking for jobs and need advice on the application process, or are you currently employed and need advice on career progression? And what field of work is this about?

hmm, good question. To be honest, I'd take anything that you find the most relevant to to mention. Like, what should I ask you? Should I ask you advices related to the application process, or to career progression?

But if since you're asking, I was more interested in your thinking processes if that makes sense. What are your thinking pathways to solve a problem? I'm sorry if that question isn't clear, then I'd like to to have some advices on career progression :)

 

[Makko]

With all due respect, you're being ironic with some of these, right? Like, at least 4 and 7. Because that's some anti-social behavior if I ever saw it. I've worked with people like this, and it was a toxic experience for all. Those who cared about appearances put on a smile and did everything you suggest, somehow thinking people wouldn't see through it. But it was super fucking obvious. If they were someone that I didn't have to work with, I'd just stay clear of them. If they were someone I ended up working with - or even worse, working for - it was a good sign that time had come to get out of dodge.

I've worked on the recruitment side of things at several of my employers, and I got the sense that some of these traits as highly undesirable in a candidate. We rejected a number of people who were highly skilled and disciplined because they came off as a person that wouldn't be working for the team. I do agree that you should assert some boundaries with the company. Don't do what I did and let your own sense of responsibility go underappreciated and end up breaking your back. But also don't throw your coworkers under the bus. There is a line in the middle that allows you to succeed without setting others up to fail. This doesn't even classify as just career advice. It's life advice.

Your criticism is fair. I didn't spend much time articulating that post and I'm sure there are words that much better convey the essence of what I wanted to say.

7 is about being able to shift blame, being able to pass along a live bomb before it explodes, and being able to get people who hurt your productivity out of your hair. I realise now that "defame" is really not a good word to describe that and it's not often you get into these situations, but when you do, you need to know how to control the damage to your own person. It's extremely important. I'm not advocating bullying but I'm even more against the thought of martyring myself to protect others. Most of the time there really is no middle line, when something goes wrong, someone will have to wear the dunce cap and you have to make sure it's not you. Maybe this is industry-dependent.

Not sure what you mean is wrong with 4 though. I mentioned it because many people are control freaks and don't know how to tap into their subordinates.

If a candidate reveals any kind of antisocial traits at the interview or during any sort of probation period then they are incompetent idiots and should be rejected rightfully. There's a reason I put kissing up as number one.

My experience is based on not staying with one employer for longer than two or three years so the strategy might be different if you want to invest yourself in one employer long-term.

 

[Mendex]

Your criticism is fair. I didn't spend much time articulating that post and I'm sure there are words that much better convey the essence of what I wanted to say.

7 is about being able to shift blame, being able to pass along a live bomb before it explodes, and being able to get people who hurt your productivity out of your hair. I realise now that "defame" is really not a good word to describe that and it's not often you get into these situations, but when you do, you need to know how to control the damage to your own person. It's extremely important. I'm not advocating bullying but I'm even more against the thought of martyring myself to protect others. Most of the time there really is no middle line, when something goes wrong, someone will have to wear the dunce cap and you have to make sure it's not you. Maybe this is industry-dependent.

Not sure what you mean is wrong with 4 though. I mentioned it because many people are control freaks and don't know how to tap into their subordinates.

If a candidate reveals any kind of antisocial traits at the interview or during any sort of probation period then they are incompetent idiots and should be rejected rightfully. There's a reason I put kissing up as number one.

My experience is based on not staying with one employer for longer than two or three years so the strategy might be different if you want to invest yourself in one employer long-term.

In other words, we should agree a self-interested action over crowd thinking to increase the productivity in a particular
labor system, right?.
Is true what you said that often you would never see a middle line, But theres many way to reduce damege in a workship population.
For example theres a mathematical concept in theory of games called Nash equilibrium.

This is called the prisoner dilemma or coordination game (I am sure that you see it before).
In summary both convicts (Player B/A) been suspect of a crime, your superior here is the judge.
If you defect your partner in crime and he defect you too (Taking A strategy), both are sentenced by 5 years of jail (What I want to say is that your strategy is good as long as nobody have a similar one).
Otherwise if you defect or kept silence without convince your partner to cooperate (Taking C-B strategy) you or your partner would be setenced 10 years and one would be free (This is the case you said we should avoid being the one who is being setenced or taking the oportunity defect our partner and be free), doing both is just gambling.
The best solution in John Nash words is to cooperate (Strategy D) and take both the minimal damage (A/B=1years of jail)
This is a overwhelming popular argument used in economy and theory of decision, and maybe unrealistic because is just mathematical scheme in theory of games. Mostly this never gonna happen and you should take (Strategy C) until other person take (Strategy B) and damege you.

P.S: This maybe is a strawman fallacy of your advices and maybe all this is just pure a priori argument, Please Makko
have mercy on me and i'm just a student. I don't wanna die to young by your superior labour experience :(

 

[Makko]

I agree that choosing to cooperate is the best long-term workplace strategy. It seems so on paper, anyway. I don't have any real-life experience to prove or disprove it since my workplace strategy is short-term. The days where long-term loyalty to one employer was valued are gone. Today, employers prefer versatility and a breadth of experience. This means that you should not stay at one workplace too long as your professional development will begin to stagnate. Go to many different places and adapt to many different contexts. Changing employers often also allows for a much faster wage ladder since you can often negotiate a much better deal with a new employer than with your current one. You could call this "lilypad hopping".

This means that long-term workplace productivity is not a concern. Only short-term.

Louis XV said: after we're gone, the flood might as well come.

There are many ways to squeeze short-term benefits for your employer, at the expense of long-term development. Be there to take part of the benefits and be gone when the backlash comes.

Bosses are especially "guilty" of this strategy but you can use it outside of leadership positions as well.

 

[aneurysm]

Today, employers prefer versatility and a breadth of experience.

Be there to take part of the benefits and be gone when the backlash comes.

When I asked for work-related advices, this is the type of gems I was expecting lol.

 

[Makko]

 

[Mendex]

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[Makko]

 

[Mendex]

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What a suprise that you know Kaiji.

 

[262653]

What a suprise that you know Kaiji.

I haven't worked an hour in my life and I already find the speech depressing.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

I haven't worked an hour in my life and I already find the speech depressing.

Never too late to start.

 

[262653]

Never too late to start.

No, it's not too late. It's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that I don't feel the interest in work or in educating myself to do work... and I don't know why it bothers me because... am I not ready to die?

The bothering feeling could be the regret over spending my youth neither studying nor partying, but squandering, which in essence is the downside of partying and studying without the upsides of either.

 

[Makko]

What a suprise that you know Kaiji.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

No, it's not too late. It's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that I don't feel the interest in work or in educating myself to do work... and I don't know why it bothers me because... am I not ready to die?

The bothering feeling could be the regret over spending my youth neither studying nor partying, but squandering, which in essence is the downside of partying and studying without the upsides of either.

Life will be less shitty for me if I have a good job. I won't have any use for the money due to complete anhedonia but feeling like I'm needed would be cool.

 

[Makko]

 

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[Mendex]

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Chinese Prisoners Forced to Farm World of Warcraft Gold

Because of Memorial Day weekend, I kind of let this story slip through the cracks, but it's too ridiculous to not bring up now, even if it is a few days late. Manual labor is as old as prisons themselves, but as it turns out, it might not be the most [...]

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[Makko]

 

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[Makko]

Postmodernism is thankfully the end of morality. Now my vices are just as valid as anyone else's suffering.

 

[fred farkle]

not that it matters,but are daisy and makko the same person?

 

[Makko]

not that it matters,but are daisy and makko the same person?

No. But that can change.

 

[262653]

Postmodernism is thankfully the end of morality. Now my vices are just as valid as anyone else's suffering.

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I feel somewhat sad for the doormat for being unable (too feeble) to fight back the oppressor. Having no brains to compensate for the lack of brawns, he's surely bound to be a slave until the grave.

 

[Makko]

I feel somewhat sad for the doormat for being unable (too feeble) to fight back the oppressor. Having no brains to compensate for the lack of brawns, he's surely bound to be a slave until the grave.

I like such people.

 

[Mendex]

Postmodernism is thankfully the end of morality. Now my vices are just as valid as anyone else's suffering.

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Anarcho-egoism (Nominalism) /Rational Egoism >>> all your "spooky" moral stuff.

 

[Makko]

Anarcho-egoism (Nominalism) /Rational Egoism >>> all your "spooky" moral stuff.

Maybe, but those things are fantasies. Postmodernism is an all-consuming reality.

 

[Mendex]

Maybe, but those things are fantasies. Postmodernism is an all-consuming reality.

Radical hermeneutic, Hard-Relativism and Social Constructionism are real fuel of the postmodern problem.
Mostly, I hate how academia makes false dichotomy (objective/subjective) about issues in aesthetics and end doing this popular cliche claims such as "Art is subjective".
Is horrific for the artist that the public opinion/academia undervalue all his rigor, well-established technique and hard-work for some new pretentious aesthetic values (I still appreciate few avant-garde/post-modern movements).

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Postmodernism is an all-consuming reality.