Why no N stories?

[ben7]

I'm wondering why there are not more stories about people taking N successfully on this forum and also in the media? It seems like there are quite a few SN accounts - even in the news, but hardly any about N, despite it being most people's preferred choice? Also a lot of people on here seem to have it but not use it?

 

[deepinlimbo]

A variety of reasons really. Just to name a few;

N is illegal pretty much everywhere unless you are working as vet or in the business of actually making the stuff (as far as I know, maybe some exceptions but I doubt many)

therefore people don't want to get a criminal conviction or a fine or sent to a psychiatric ward for trying to obtain it. Maybe all of these or some of these apply and I imagine each sentence when found in possession is different.

it's expensive and customs and LE make it hard to procure. Granted some have success. Im sure there are a fair few on here that have it. I do envy them. They are very lucky but again like many of us just because you have your method doesn't mean you will use it. SI is a powerful thing.

I think it also matters a lot on what method of payment and where you are geographically speaking.

I personally for reasons of my health struggle to fully comprehend Bitcoin and monero etc. So that could be a factor for some.

I'm wondering why there are not more stories about people taking N successfully on this forum and also in the media? It seems like there are quite a few SN accounts - even in the news, but hardly any about N, despite it being most people's preferred choice? Also a lot of people on here seem to have it but not use it?

Plus sn is also legal/controlled substance in a lot of places and yes it has its restrictions and laws regarding its sale and usage but it's not like trying to source a drug specifically designed in most cases to euthanise people and animals.

it's just easier to get sn, although it's harder now, at least it's getting that way.

who doesn't want the gold standard of ctb, heck even people who aren't suicidal are looking to die in their sleep and N is basically that. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want a peaceful death (granted some don't, but that's a minority)

 

[ben7]

A variety of reasons really. Just to name a few;

N is illegal pretty much everywhere unless you are working as vet or in the business of actually making the stuff (as far as I know, maybe some exceptions but I doubt many)

therefore people don't want to get a criminal conviction or a fine or sent to a psychiatric ward for trying to obtain it. Maybe all of these or some of these apply and I imagine each sentence when found in possession is different.

it's expensive and customs and LE make it hard to procure. Granted some have success. Im sure there are a fair few on here that have it. I do envy them. They are very lucky but again like many of us just because you have your method doesn't mean you will use it. SI is a powerful thing.

I think it also matters a lot on what method of payment and where you are geographically speaking.

I personally for reasons of my health struggle to fully comprehend Bitcoin and monero etc. So that could be a factor for some.

Plus sn is also legal/controlled substance in a lot of places and yes it has its restrictions and laws regarding its sale and usage but it's not like trying to source a drug specifically designed in most cases to euthanise people and animals.

it's just easier to get sn, although it's harder now, at least it's getting that way.

who doesn't want the gold standard of ctb, heck even people who aren't suicidal are looking to die in their sleep and N is basically that. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want a peaceful death (granted some don't, but that's a minority)

thanks for this thoughtful answer

 

[LifeQuitter2018]

I do see a few posts about N cases pop up occassionally on this forum. On the news, I don't know much since I don't read Western news.

 

[Need2Escape]

Yes ultimate way to go but too risky an option. But will love to hear from people who have had success with it, specially into UK

 

[the_final_countdown]

It's also absurdly expensive.

 

[Fragile]

I think there are two main reasons:

1. it's exceedingly rare. Not only the knowledge about this substance that's been banned and quietly replaced with other drugs, but also the fact that you can only get it through either a very corrupt veterinarian, or from the expensive as fuck internet dealers. Not to mention that media outlets very rarely mention the specifics of suicide attempts since they are afraid of encouraging copycat attempts.

2. people don't usually come back to tell the story, there are only a few cases of failure, and most of them have murky details to say the least. Also, I've noticed that many people who had it are very quiet about it, and one day they just stop posting.

However, since last year there's been a trend with news articles specifically mentioning this substance when they report on the ongoing shortage of euthanasia-related drugs. Maybe a new wave of suicidal people who read those news will bring more attention to it, there's a market for this coveted substance and I'm sure new suppliers will come to the scene.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

I know for me, I just do not understand or use the dark web or Bitcoin, etc and the whole process of it just makes me so fucking confused. I worked a lot up until this last year so I have money saved, cost is not an issue for me. It's going about obtaining it that is the issue, I already am so tired because of a sleep disorder and just being beaten down mentally in general.

also there is of course the whole customs/LE issue. I'm an extremely anxious person, I don't know that I could stand it sitting there waiting weeks for a package knowing it may be intercepted and I might have LE at my doorstep or be charged or go to jail, etc.

Im very bitter and resentful because I think if I had N I could live much longer just knowing it's there would give me peace. Instead my options are SN and partial, so I'll likely be going a lot sooner.
Sending love to all xx

 

[checkouttime]

I know for me, I just do not understand or use the dark web or Bitcoin, etc and the whole process of it just makes me so fucking confused. I worked a lot up until this last year so I have money saved, cost is not an issue for me. It's going about obtaining it that is the issue, I already am so tired because of a sleep disorder and just being beaten down mentally in general.

also there is of course the whole customs/LE issue. I'm an extremely anxious person, I don't know that I could stand it sitting there waiting weeks for a package knowing it may be intercepted and I might have LE at my doorstep or be charged or go to jail, etc.

Im very bitter and resentful because I think if I had N I could live much longer just knowing it's there would give me peace. Instead my options are SN and partial, so I'll likely be going a lot sooner.
Sending love to all xx

Its not a hard process. you can use MG and WU.

As for the waiting, mine was posted friday and arrived monday! The PPH hasn't updated to anyones N being seized since 2016. also it was A and C who were the sources, now its D.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

Its not a hard process. you can use MG and WU.

As for the waiting, mine was posted friday and arrived monday! The PPH hasn't updated to anyones N being seized since 2016. also it was A and C who were the sources, now its D.

what country are you from, if you don't mind my asking?

 

[Mare Imbrium]

Its not a hard process. you can use MG and WU.

As for the waiting, mine was posted friday and arrived monday! The PPH hasn't updated to anyones N being seized since 2016. also it was A and C who were the sources, now its D.

As far as I know there where raids in Spain and France at the customers of A, half a year ago.

 

[Jumper Geo]

People who obtained N have their ticket out of here so they don't have to rush as N has a longer shelf life than SN.

Cheers

Geo

 

[checkouttime]

what country are you from, if you don't mind my asking?

I'm UK based

As far as I know there where raids in Spain and France at the customers of A, half a year ago.

Whats the source of that information? i haven't seen that!

 

[Amumu]

People who obtained N have their ticket out of here so they don't have to rush as N has a longer shelf life than SN.

Cheers

Geo

With great respect for Jumper Geo, this information isn't accurate.
Properly stored, SN has an infinite shelf life, as explained in the PPH.
I don't know for N, but it is likely liquid N has a shelf life which is inferior to the one of SN.

Whats the source of that information? i haven't seen that!

There was indeed a raid but I don't think N came from A.

 

[boc]

I'm wondering why there are not more stories about people taking N successfully on this forum and also in the media? It seems like there are quite a few SN accounts - even in the news, but hardly any about N, despite it being most people's preferred choice? Also a lot of people on here seem to have it but not use it?

I think there is a lot of comfort in just having N. My plan is to get it and have it as an exit strategy. In that way, having it can improve the quality of life. As others have already noted, N is very effective. So if someone took it, you are unlikely to hear stories about it. You'll notice quite a few people who just disappear from the forum if you hang around long enough. N works.

 

[Mare Imbrium]

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With great respect for Jumper Geo, this information isn't accurate.
Properly stored, SN has an infinite shelf life, as explained in the PPH.
I don't know for N, but it is likely liquid N has a shelf life which is inferior to the one of SN.

There was indeed a raid but I don't think N came from A.

It makes no sense to play down the risk of N delivery. PPH Jan. 2021, for example, writes, that numerous customers of A had visits of the police in recent years. The police referred to hints of US authorities. (The raids were at Oct. 2019 in Spain and France, as newspapers wrote. Other raids were in Australia.)

 

[Amumu]

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It makes no sense to play down the risk of N delivery. PPH Jan. 2021, for example, writes, that numerous customers of A had visits of the police in recent years. The police referred to hints of US authorities. (The raids were at Oct. 2019 in Spain and France, as newspapers wrote. Other raids were in Australia.)

Where do I play down the risk of N delivery?
I've just said I thought the raid in 2019 didn't come from A.
Actually, I'm pretty sure of that, so you're probably spreading misinformation above all.

Maybe the one of 2021 came from A (actually it wasn't really a raid, was it?)
Stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

 

[UKscotty]

N is only available from the sellers on Tor and there are much more reliable and easier methods like h2s or sn that are used.

 

[Mare Imbrium]

Where do I play down the risk of N delivery?
I've just said I thought the raid in 2019 didn't come from A.
Actually, I'm pretty sure of that, so you're probably spreading misinformation above all.

Maybe the one of 2021 came from A (actually it wasn't really a raid, was it?)
Stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Please search in the PPH Feb. 2021 for the word "raid": " many customers of AV (means A).......subject of police raids and wellness checks....in recent years.
You will find it at page 347.

 

[Amumu]

Please search in the PPH Feb. 2021 for the word "raid": " many customers of AV (means A).......subject of police raids and wellness checks....in recent years.
You will find it at page 347.

It wasn't my point, I said you had no proof the RAID IN 2019 came from A.

Thanks for the other info, though. What were the consequences of the "raid" in 2021?

 

[checkouttime]

Please search in the PPH Feb. 2021 for the word "raid": " many customers of AV (means A).......subject of police raids and wellness checks....in recent years.
You will find it at page 347.

I have not heard of the february version of PPH, so to me that is FAKE and could have had stuff altered in it. The version I have (which i ordered N from and received) is MARCH 2021 and seen as the ebook isn't updated every month that to me says the information in that version you have isn't legit, as why would it be the PPH february when, the real version is MARCH

No information in the REAL version of PPH of raids in 2019 spain and france. Last known time was 2016. This was when A and C were around.

The seller now is B and there are 0 reports of seizures or welfare checks, i speak from experience of a person who has actually received the stuff and its not just what i have read, i also have posted the test results aswell of proof of whats in the bottle.

Also i know what the package comes like and i'm pretty sure it isn't what police are looking for when doing checks, they are looking for guns and drugs , N doesn't look suspicious. Although there may be a chance of things being harder in some countries, the FACT is still plenty of people have received liquid N from B lately

It wasn't my point, I said you had no proof the RAID IN 2019 came from A.

Thanks for the other info, though. What were the consequences of the "raid" in 2021?

There haven't been any raids recently its false info, not to do with the current source anyway

 

[greyhound]

I was going to order some powder N from C a year ago but hesitated because I knew I wasn't quite ready for CTB at that point. But C disappeared from the dark webs shortly thereafter and his N hasn't been available since. I kept checking on the dark webs but the only N that appeared was on scammer accounts that got shutdown fairly quickly. So I was kicking myself as then the only option was A who has seemed pretty flaky for the past while.

So the market for N is far from liquid, sometimes it's available and relatively easy to get and sometimes it not around or a big gamble unlike most other drugs. Based on what I've seen over the past year I think it makes sense to order it and just have it on hand for those who have the financial means to do so and are relatively sure of their intention to CTB over the next year or two.

I think right now is the best time to order N since mid 2020 when C was still around.

- D's stealth measures are extremely good. Also D is a new seller with probably 0 interceptions at this point, so he is not on the radar of any customs agents and his stealth/shipping style is completely unknown to them.

- He is extremely prompt and professional in his email interaction and shipping so you'll get it very quickly after payment.

- D's N was recently tested by a user of this forum and checks out for barbiturates. So far everyone has gotten sealed bottles unlike A who was flaky and sometimes would send out opened / decanted bottles.

- D accepts Monero which is completely untraceable at this point unlike Bitcoin, or other payment methods like Western Union.

- I don't think there is much risk of being prosecuted even if it was intercepted. When you combine the encrypted email account along with untraceable Monero payment, it would be almost impossible to prove you actually ordered it. Just deny that and I think the worst thing that can occur is you end up on some customs black list which might make them scrutinize your future packages more closely.

 

[checkouttime]

I was going to order some powder N from C a year ago but hesitated because I knew I wasn't quite ready for CTB at that point. But C disappeared from the dark webs shortly thereafter and his N hasn't been available since. I kept checking on the dark webs but the only N that appeared was on scammer accounts that got shutdown fairly quickly. So I was kicking myself as then the only option was A who has seemed pretty flaky for the past while.

So the market for N is far from liquid, sometimes it's available and relatively easy to get and sometimes it not around or a big gamble unlike most other drugs. Based on what I've seen over the past year I think it makes sense to order it and just have it on hand for those who have the financial means to do so and are relatively sure of their intention to CTB over the next year or two.

I think right now is the best time to order N since mid 2020 when C was still around.

- D's stealth measures are extremely good. Also D is a new seller with probably 0 interceptions at this point, so he is not on the radar of any customs agents and his stealth/shipping style is completely unknown to them.

- He is extremely prompt and professional in his email interaction and shipping so you'll get it very quickly after payment.

- D's N was recently tested by a user of this forum and checks out for barbiturates. So far everyone has gotten sealed bottles unlike A who was flaky and sometimes would send out opened / decanted bottles.

- D accepts Monero which is completely untraceable at this point unlike Bitcoin, or other payment methods like Western Union.

- I don't think there is much risk of being prosecuted even if it was intercepted. When you combine the encrypted email account along with untraceable Monero payment, it would be almost impossible to prove you actually ordered it. Just deny that and I think the worst thing that can occur is you end up on some customs black list which might make them scrutinize your future packages more closely.

I must add The traceability of WU etc is this. there is a record you sent money to WU for a person to pick up in CASH. you don't sent to an account. The person picks up the money using a persons details that don't even exist and are fake,. It is also picked up from a random location(there are many different outlets that you could pick up from in each company at anytime). It is also not an extremely large amount of money.

So i sent money to a random place and someone picked it up using fake ID, good luck with trying to trace that. and even then it isn't like you have actually purchased and recieved something. how would they know what person sent what, to whom, to receive a certain item??? I'm pretty certain that police forces have alot more things to be looking for than a needle in haystack, of some person trying to CTB because they are suicidal. they can't even do their normal everyday job properly, so having to make massive effort, massive amount of time and money, to save 1 random person is VERY unbelievable to me.

 

[Mare Imbrium]

I have not heard of the february version of PPH, so to me that is FAKE and could have had stuff altered in it. The version I have (which i ordered N from and received) is MARCH 2021 and seen as the ebook isn't updated every month that to me says the information in that version you have isn't legit, as why would it be the PPH february when, the real version is MARCH

No information in the REAL version of PPH of raids in 2019 spain and france. Last known time was 2016. This was when A and C were around.

The seller now is B and there are 0 reports of seizures or welfare checks, i speak from experience of a person who has actually received the stuff and its not just what i have read, i also have posted the test results aswell of proof of whats in the bottle.

Also i know what the package comes like and i'm pretty sure it isn't what police are looking for when doing checks, they are looking for guns and drugs , N doesn't look suspicious. Although there may be a chance of things being harder in some countries, the FACT is still plenty of people have received liquid N from B lately


There haven't been any raids recently its false info, not to do with the current source anyway

I meant the PPH edition of Jan. 20, 2021, downloaded from the suicide Wiki of this forum. If your opinion is, that this edition is not legit, then please tell it to the mods.

Besides, is it really so hard to google the words "nembutal raid"? Then you will find newspaper reports of 2019, but also a tweet from Philip Nitschke of 2019 regarding this topic.

But of course it's correct, that these raids have nothing to do with the current source.

 

[checkouttime]

I meant the PPH edition of Jan. 20, 2021, downloaded from the suicide Wiki of this forum. If your opinion is, that this edition is not legit, then please tell it to the mods.

Besides, is it really so hard to google the words "nembutal raid"? Then you will find newspaper reports of 2019, but also a tweet from Philip Nitschke of 2019 regarding this topic.

But of course it's correct, that these raids have nothing to do with the current source.

You said "Please search in the PPH Feb. 2021 for the word "raid": " many customers of AV (means A).......subject of police raids and wellness checks....in recent years."

I was saying a February PPh 2021 doesn't exist and so it would be a fake version.

But also the 'raids' you mention saying are customers of A were last logged as back in 2016 in the PPH.

After 'googling' what you said.. the raids in france were from a group called members of organisation Ultime Liberte, the tweet from Nitschke about spain is this

"In Spain buying pentobarbital (the best drug known for a peaceful death) online is not a crime (nor is testing the drug's purity), but you can still receive a visit from the @policia"

None of it mentions any of the sources in regards to ANY of the new raids. and actually the raids in spain it is legal to buy it!!

 

[Mare Imbrium]

A discussion with you is senseless. Goodbye.

 

[checkouttime]

A discussion with you is senseless. Goodbye.

don't like having your false information proven wrong. unfortunately there are alot of members who know alot more about stuff than the ones that provide inaccurate info

 

[Mare Imbrium]

don't like having your false information proven wrong. unfortunately there are alot of members who know alot more about stuff than the ones that provide inaccurate info

Now I have downloaded the March 2021 edition of the PPH, from the ressources section of this forum. It contains the same articles about raids and wellness checks as the Version of Jan. 21, 2021. I recommand everyone to do the same and read these articles.

Checkouttime, you wrote that you used to sell drugs. Of course you will always play down the risk of a police visit.

 

[checkouttime]

Now I have downloaded the March 2021 edition of the PPH, from the ressources section of this forum. It contains the same articles about raids and wellness checks as the Version of Jan. 21, 2021. I recommand everyone to do the same and read these articles.

Checkouttime, you wrote that you used to sell drugs. Of course you will always play down the risk of a police visit.

Well that makes loads of sense 'i sold drugs so i would play down a police visit'. perhaps i would be wary of police visiting so would be well aware of risks and what not to do etc. alot more experienced in the situtation than you are. I've bought steroids online, through customs, drugs, growth hormone, SN and N so i have alot more experience than someone pretending they know about stuff they haven't been involved in.

Also the PPH does include information about welfare check i don't deny that. but they were back in 2016 when DIFFERENT SOURCES WERE AROUND!!!!

And the more recent checks in spain and france you mentioned i have posted the information about them in my previous post, they were nothing to do with the PPH SOURCES, they're just raids in them countries.

try scaremongering all you like, i will continue to provide the REAL facts on the matter.