Why is suicide so bad if everyone dies eventually?

[John-Doe]

if you view life as an inherently good thing and death as an inherently bad thing (like most non-suicidal people), then you'd want to preserve life/delay death as long as possible.

to us death being inevitable makes the timing of it seem a bit trivial, but they might view it in the opposite way like, "life is finite but you'll be dead forever either way, you should take advantage of the little time you have!" i'm with you though, if i'll be nothing for all eternity i don't see why getting there a few years early matters much.

 

[sserafim]

"The concert is going to end, so why is it bad to tear up your tickets and leave after a couple songs?"

It's your choice. But while I'm in favor of people having that choice, suicide will always be a sad end for me, because it means the person was hurting. To me it means something was wrong. Even if your seat is a little uncomfortable and the acoustics in the venue aren't great, the concert is meant to be enjoyed. I want to help them move to a more comfortable seat where they can hear more clearly, but once you've left the venue there's no re-entry. I know it's not always possible, and there will be situations where that person is simply never going to enjoy that show, so I'm not mad at them for leaving... I'm just saddened by it.

You never even chose to go to the concert though. You were forced to attend

 

[derpyderpins]

You never even chose to go to the concert though. You were forced to attend

Doesn't change the point. It's still sad if you don't like it. It had pretty good reviews and buzz around town, although yeah some of the critics said it was a bit shallow and over produced. So, yeah, your friends dragged you, but you're there now. I hope you can get something out of it. Maybe one of the ballads won't be so bad.

 

[DavidInternet]

"Ms Adenekan said: 'Suicide isn't the answer. It's a temporary crisis and with help they can get through it. And we've heard that so many times.'"

Why is suicide so bad if everyone dies in the end? Everyone will die eventually; that's just life

Ricky Gervais said this in his latest stand-up show on Netflix, "Armageddon".

"We've all got to go. What's it matter if we all go at different times or all at the same time?"

 

[xinino]

the person was hurting.

Or will be hurted.

To me it means something was wrong.... I'm just saddened by it.

Wrong things are oppressive sometimes. But we can control how we react about them.

"Incredible nervous state, trepidation beyond words: to be this much in love is to be sick (and I love to be sick)."

Georges Bataille

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think the two main reasons are:

It destroys a person's future. Do you notice the way suicides are reported? A lot of the time, the person (apparently) had a glittering future ahead of them. Whether that's realistic is questionable. Maybe they were that gifted and talented. Presumably, people firmly believe that whatever was hampering them so badly to want to end it would eventually pass and they'd become an incredible success. Or, at least, happy with their lives.

I suppose, if they are pro-life, they likely experience life in a positive way and they presumably believe we can too- just as soon as we get past this mental block or illness. That's the other thing- 'normies' frequently blame ideation on mental illness. So- they see it as a cruel affliction rather than a reasoned perspective.

- Deaths in a family or of loved ones causes grief for those left behind. I think a suicide is a particularly painful experience for those left behind. It forces them to realise just how unhappy that person was when they were alive. So- along with the usual feelings of missing that person's presence, they may also feel guilt that maybe there was more they could have done to help them. I suspect some suicides lead to further suicides.

So- I wouldn't agree that it's just like any other death so, it shouldn't matter. We're emotional creatures. Even natural deaths are experienced differently. People will react differently to losing their 89 year old grandparents to losing a 10 year old from a sudden illness. Death isn't expected amongst younger people. Same goes for violent deaths- accidents or murders. There's a lot more shock and resentment there.

Suicide is complicated because in theory- it was that person's choice. That may be incredibly painful for a loved one to accept though. It's a rejection I suppose. They may have loved them and supported them but, it wasn't enough to make them want to stay. Plus, we do actually suicide knowing how much it's going to hurt them. It may be by default type thing. An unfotunate side effect to our main goal but they likely realise we considered them and did it anyway. I suspect that's too painful for some people to accept. So, they'd rather think their loved one wasn't thinking clearly. They'd probably prefer to see them as vulnerable and susceptible to somewhere like this, (or- how they see this place at least- as a death cult) rather than accept that their loved one made a reasoned decision where they did in fact consider them and what affect their suicide would have and chose to do it regardless.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I think that it's so annoying at how they claim that, since death is inevitable, we should live as long as possible but then refuse to acknowledge that it's also valid to not want to live for as long as possible and to die now instead. This is what we call cognitive dissonance

 

[sserafim]

I think the two main reasons are:

It destroys a person's future. Do you notice the way suicides are reported? A lot of the time, the person (apparently) had a glittering future ahead of them. Whether that's realistic is questionable. Maybe they were that gifted and talented. Presumably, people firmly believe that whatever was hampering them so badly to want to end it would eventually pass and they'd become an incredible success. Or, at least, happy with their lives.

I suppose, if they are pro-life, they likely experience life in a positive way and they presumably believe we can too- just as soon as we get past this mental block or illness. That's the other thing- 'normies' frequently blame ideation on mental illness. So- they see it as a cruel affliction rather than a reasoned perspective.

- Deaths in a family or of loved ones causes grief for those left behind. I think a suicide is a particularly painful experience for those left behind. It forces them to realise just how unhappy that person was when they were alive. So- along with the usual feelings of missing that person's presence, they may also feel guilt that maybe there was more they could have done to help them. I suspect some suicides lead to further suicides.

So- I wouldn't agree that it's just like any other death so, it shouldn't matter. We're emotional creatures. Even natural deaths are experienced differently. People will react differently to losing their 89 year old grandparents to losing a 10 year old from a sudden illness. Death isn't expected amongst younger people. Same goes for violent deaths- accidents or murders. There's a lot more shock and resentment there.

Suicide is complicated because in theory- it was that person's choice. That may be incredibly painful for a loved one to accept though. It's a rejection I suppose. They may have loved them and supported them but, it wasn't enough to make them want to stay. Plus, we do actually suicide knowing how much it's going to hurt them. It may be by default type thing. An unfotunate side effect to our main goal but they likely realise we considered them and did it anyway. I suspect that's too painful for some people to accept. So, they'd rather think their loved one wasn't thinking clearly. They'd probably prefer to see them as vulnerable and susceptible to somewhere like this, (or- how they see this place at least- as a death cult) rather than accept that their loved one made a reasoned decision where they did in fact consider them and what affect their suicide would have and chose to do it regardless.

What if I never even wanted a future anyways? I never wanted to become an adult. Ever since I was a kid, I never wanted to grow up. I didn't want to live past 18. Why is there an expectation to live out your full life?

I think a big part of why people feel that way has to do with lost potential and the pain the suicide leaves behind in the living. Not that those two things are present in every suicide. But especially for a young person there's the idea that they have so much life left and to lose that is seen as a tragedy.

Hmm I guess so, but I never wanted to live out a full life anyways. I just can't imagine myself as a real adult or getting old, nor do I want to. I can't see myself going to work everyday for the rest of my life or becoming middle or old aged. That's not in the future I see for myself. I future I see is no future, because I never even wanted one in the first place. I don't want to live out all of the stages of my life. I've always felt like I was destined to die young

 

[blueming]

Why do they value quantity over quality? Why are you expected to live out your full life?

I think the emphasis on quantity over quality is probably rooted in societal, cultural and often religious values that equate longevity with success. There's this belief that a longer life automatically means a more meaningful or fruitful life regardless of the actual quality of that life.

I read in an article a while back there is a chance there were advanced civilisations before but them realising existence and self awareness is curse pushed them to annihilation.

Oo this is one of my favourite takes on why we haven't encountered any extraterrestrial civilisations. I wonder if humans might someday reach that point?

 

[silas0]

Oo this is one of my favourite takes on why we haven't encountered any extraterrestrial civilisations. I wonder if humans might someday reach that point?

Just imagine all the questions answered and perfection achieved. All galaxies harnessed and your species becomes literally god. All your needs are satisfied all questions answered and god like power over the entire cosmos achieved. Then what?
I personally believe it's an absolute curse to be gods. Equilibrium would bring harmony and peace and extreme boredom as a result. It brings me to the conclusion that consciousness and self-awareness eventually becomes its own enemy eventually seeking annihilation.

 

[Forever Sleep]

What if I never even wanted a future anyways? I never wanted to become an adult. Ever since I was a kid, I never wanted to grow up. I didn't want to live past 18. Why is there an expectation to live out your full life?

Hmm I guess so, but I never wanted to live out a full life anyways. I just can't imagine myself as a real adult or getting old, nor do I want to. I can't see myself going to work everyday for the rest of my life or becoming middle or old aged. That's not in the future I see for myself. I future I see is no future, because I never even wanted one in the first place. I don't want to live out all of the stages of my life. I've always felt like I was destined to die young

Most perspectives on suicide aren't about what that person wanted. They think we are delluded just as much as we think they are. So- they don't think we have a reliable perspective to begin with.

I suspect most people will argue that it isn't 'normal' for a person to want to die and have no aspirations in life. They'll start trying to find illnesses to blame it on!

As to whether you or anyone else should feel obliged to become a contributing, functioning adult, that's something I'm pissed off with too. I resent the life I've been conscribed in to.

Really- they can't exactly sanction everyone becoming NEETS though when you think about it. If everyone did as you are doing (and I'm not saying it's not fair that you hold this perspective) but, if everyone refused to work and insisted on being taken care of, I suppose society would just collapse. So, we all play along with this dumb arse game. Some people because they're too afraid of what their parents and society will say to them if they don't (like me.) Some because their choices are literally to work or go destitute and starve.