Why is suicide selfish?

[HowNowBrownCow]

It's emotional manipulation.

Normies: Do what you want in life! Your life is your own and you aren't responsible for anyone else's happiness. Don't care what others think.

Us: Well, I want to end my life.

Normies: You owe it to your parents, friends, co workers, distant relatives, and your third cousin you met once when you were 5 to live miserably so they don't have to feel sad.

Just own it. No one is entitled to my presence or my life.

Pretty much this.

 

[Whole-Ad]

It's emotional manipulation.

Normies: Do what you want in life! Your life is your own and you aren't responsible for anyone else's happiness. Don't care what others think.

Us: Well, I want to end my life.

Normies: You owe it to your parents, friends, co workers, distant relatives, and your third cousin you met once when you were 5 to live miserably so they don't have to feel sad.




Pretty much this.

100%. I've started writing my suicide note over the past couple of days and I've tried to touch upon the fact that I have no obligation to live and in fact I had no choice about coming to this world so the least they can do is respect my wish to leave.

 

[voyager]

Maybe it is selfish, but on both sides. There is no fair solution. Discounting dependants and impulsive acts, I'd say from a rational point of view the suicidal's interests prevail. By all means, be sad that said person is gone. Be sad that said person was in such a dire state that they saw themselves forced to leave. It is a tragedy and no one wants that. But wishful thinking doesn't unmake reality.

Thus, how can any well-meaning person honestly say they'd feel better if said person was still around to suffer further? That is the very embodiment of selfishness and suggests serious lack of understanding and compassion. And I do believe that's why such people will often promote superficial conclusions like "things could've have gotten better", "they had so much to live for", "they weren't in their right mind", "someone must have encouraged them" etc, to avoid said realisation of themselves.

 

[Whole-Ad]

Maybe it is selfish, but on both sides. There is no fair solution. Discounting dependants and impulsive acts, I'd say from a rational point of view the suicidal's interests prevail. By all means, be sad that said person is gone. Be sad that said person was in such a dire state that they saw themselves forced to leave. It is a tragedy and no one wants that. But wishful thinking doesn't unmake reality.

Thus, how can any well-meaning person honestly say they'd feel better if said person was still around to suffer further? That is the very embodiment of selfishness and suggests serious lack of understanding and compassion. And I do believe that's why such people will often promote superficial conclusions like "things could've have gotten better", "they had so much to live for", "they weren't in their right mind", "someone must have encouraged them" etc, to avoid said realisation of themselves.

Sometimes I think that those who've never been depressed or suicidal realise just how much suffering one has to go through to even contemplate suicide. It's not an easy decision at all, and it is especially difficult to follow through with the suicide plan.

I also believe that once a person reaches the point of seriously planning out their suicide, or attempting suicide itself, there's no going back. The brain becomes attached to this plan and uses it as a way to solve even minor problems. It's like an escape route I guess. At least that's how I see it in myself.

 

[demuic]

Anything could be considered selfish depending on how you look at it.

Humans are all selfish. You could say the reason why people do good in the first place is not out of selflessness but because it makes them feel good or make them believe they're a good person, which could be considered selfish.

It may be true that it could be selfish. So is being forced to live by someone because they need you. There is the age old saying, if you love something, let it go.

When the needs of one person are "I need you alive" vs the other person's "I need myself dead," I think in most cases bodily autonomy and self determination win out.

I didn't ask to be here. I didn't sign up for this. It wasn't my choice. Most people spend their lives being beholden to the whims and cruelties and mercies of hundreds and thousands of others, dragged around like a puppet, yet you're supposed to put up with it because "that's life". I don't think it's wrong to take one final "selfish" act. For me, I explicitly choose to reject life.

 

[BeautifulMosaics]

Anything could be considered selfish depending on how you look at it.

Humans are all selfish. You could say the reason why people do good in the first place is not out of selflessness but because it makes them feel good or make them believe they're a good person, which could be considered selfish.

It may be true that it could be selfish. So is being forced to live by someone because they need you. There is the age old saying, if you love something, let it go.

When the needs of one person are "I need you alive" vs the other person's "I need myself dead," I think in most cases bodily autonomy and self determination win out.

I didn't ask to be here. I didn't sign up for this. It wasn't my choice. Most people spend their lives being beholden to the whims and cruelties and mercies of hundreds and thousands of others, dragged around like a puppet, yet you're supposed to put up with it because "that's life". I don't think it's wrong to take one final "selfish" act. For me, I explicitly choose to reject life.

"When the needs of one person are "I need you alive" vs the other person's "I need myself dead""

Wow.. such a strong post. Chosing to reject life is the way to put it. Can I ask, if you don't mind, what's kept you here? I think it just shows how complex this thing can be if someone with such a strong stance if still here.

***

For me, everything we do, to make ourselves feel good and serve ourselves is selfish. There are much worse acts than suicide that hurt others more, for less gain for the person who commits them. People can guilt trip all they want, but ultimately, we, have to live our own lives and tolerate it.

For me, I know I'm not selfish in life. If my final act is selfish, when then I deserve it. So many people have done selfish things towards me but suicide is stigmatized?

 

[watchingthewheels]

There was an episode of MAUDE that dealt with the question of suicide and selfishness, when Maude's husband overdosed on sleeping pills after a bankruptcy: (the discussion of "selfishness" starts around the 18 minute mark):



Transcipt of scene:


You're running
away from life, Walter,

which means you're running away
from me and that scares the hell out of me.

But you're not afraid like I am,
Maude. You're strong. You're stable!

Stable? I'm stable?

Walter, does this look like
something a stable person would do?

Walter, I have hidden every
sharp object in the house.

Paring knives, carving knives,
can openers, even the fondue forks!

How about this for stability?!

Two mukluks
filled with every pill

in our medicine cabinet.

I need you, Walter. I
need you desperately.

I need you, too.

It's not like I'm leaving you.

I never even thought
about it like that.

You mean so much to me.

It's just that...

Walter, I'm a very
selfish person.

You mean everything to me.

Walter, when we found out you were
an alcoholic, I wanted to run away,

but I didn't. I was selfish.
I had to have you with me!

And when I was running for
office and we were separated,

I couldn't stand
being apart from you.

I was selfish! I
had to have you!

Walter, after all we've
been through together,

this... this whole...

This whole business with the
bankruptcy should be a piece of cake!

You don't see it that way, then
I'm gonna have to be selfish again.

I'm not gonna let you share
your life with anyone else.

If I can't have you here with
me, I'll have to go there with you.

Maude, stop packing.

Stop packing.

This time, I'll be selfish.

I'm staying here.

Walter, do you really mean it?

Yes, I do.

 

[Mr2005]

You only have to hear from the people that are here because they've lost someone to suicide to realize why it's selfish. That's not to say getting them to stay for you're own sake isn't

 

[caus]

No. Te people who want you to live against your will are the selfish ones (and also psychopaths cause they would like to see you suffering ) . I truly believe this is the good side .

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not see suicide as selfish. I would never suffer for the sake of others and it would be selfish of them to expect me too. I have the right to take my life at a time of my own choosing and nobody else has any say in that. I have no obligations to stay alive as I did not ask to exist.

 

[WatermelonMel]

It's not selfish; it's selfish to say suicide is selfish.

 

[noname223]

I answer with another question: why is procreation selfish?

 

[NoPointToContinue]

So what if it is selfish? The reasons that you think it is worth to live for won't bring you any happiness if you live anyway.

 

[demuic]

"When the needs of one person are "I need you alive" vs the other person's "I need myself dead""

Wow.. such a strong post. Chosing to reject life is the way to put it. Can I ask, if you don't mind, what's kept you here? I think it just shows how complex this thing can be if someone with such a strong stance if still here.

***

For me, everything we do, to make ourselves feel good and serve ourselves is selfish. There are much worse acts than suicide that hurt others more, for less gain for the person who commits them. People can guilt trip all they want, but ultimately, we, have to live our own lives and tolerate it.

For me, I know I'm not selfish in life. If my final act is selfish, when then I deserve it. So many people have done selfish things towards me but suicide is stigmatized?

I don't have any money for my method and I don't have a good place to CTB since I live with my parents. There are also a few things I'd like to do before then. I just know that I will CTB sooner rather than later, I look forward to that day as the only good thing in my future as every day alive is painful.

 

[RazzleDazzle]

You only have to hear from the people that are here because they've lost someone to suicide to realize why it's selfish. That's not to say getting them to stay for you're own sake isn't

I've lost someone to suicide. It's painful and it hurts. But it's not selfish. Nobody else in my life has to live with what I have to live with, they don't get to decide for me when it's too much.

I answer with another question: why is procreation selfish?

Making another person to serve your own emotional needs is pretty fucking selfish. Pretty much the only thing that I did in my life that I can feel entirely good about is not having any kids.

 

[stellabelle]

Why is it selfish for me to kill myself and hurt the ones I love, but it's not selfish for those who love me to force me to stay while I'm hurting? I did not choose to be here, it's not my fault. Why should I be so ashamed of not wanting to be here when I didn't ask to be?

Two sides to the coin and you are correct. Suicide can even be selfless in some ways, because if you're an organ donor etc your body parts can go to people who want or need them, if anything is salvageable. You're no longer taking up air, food, space, funding, or anything else. I hate to say all of that but I see it.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Suicide is only Selfish to anybody who does not understand it.
There are many reasons why a person commits suicide.
We as the person who commits suicide does not have to in any why try and justify that act. It's our life. It's our body. We have no say in being brought into this crazy world but we and only we have the right to say when we leave it.

 

[Hurt]

Suicidal people are people who are mentally/emotionally suffering. There's no selfishness.

 

[fox_wannabe]

They want to guilt trip us into being alive.
Because we are threat to their worldview and ideology. By disapproving that life is worth living, and going through hardships in order to end it, we are making counter argument for every activity and motivation of societally normal human.
Normal people go in the trance from one thing to other, until they are dead, like a bee going from one flower to other. We on the other hand are fed up, we go straight to the point. It is also a hard thing to show our suffering in such strong manner, generally people want to think that life in their immediate surrounding is good, I hope so at least. Family members want to see you not complain, or when you do they want to give you simple solution for which you will later be grateful and show this gratitude to them. They cannot handle real problems. Evolution solves real problems by killing those who have them.
I do not mean we are worse, we might feel that way but in reality nobody is born by their choice, so there is no guilt in having mental illness or being born into wrong family. There was no any other way. Yet people want to believe things can get better and are not set in stone. I cannot change, and god knows I tried. Mushrooms, therapy, meditation, Buddhism, working out, trying to be popular... I am still aspie, I still do have leaning towards being sad and depressed, I am still awkward around people and I cannot maintain friendships. People do not comprehend that their lives are run by chemicals in their brain, that dopamine make them do stuff, that oxytocin make them love. We do not posses those things, we are damaged. Yes we are, some of us for life.
People don't want you to ctb because of guilt they will feel. Their ego needs to think about themselves as being good people, I don't mean to make you ctb btw.
Also society and work uses your instinct to survival to profit of you. You think: "I have to live, thus I need food, thus I need to work and I will work no matter how bad my job is because ANYTHING is better than dying. " If people could just kill themselves the whole thing would crash because nobody would work majority of their life, unless they found it rewarding. So yeah...
Also parents want to see their genes being spread further, especially grandparents in my case.

That is it. Thanks for reading.

 

[Sslsh]

Breeding is selfish.

 

[deadverysoon]

It's emotional manipulation.

Normies: Do what you want in life! Your life is your own and you aren't responsible for anyone else's happiness. Don't care what others think.

Us: Well, I want to end my life.

Normies: You owe it to your parents, friends, co workers, distant relatives, and your third cousin you met once when you were 5 to live miserably so they don't have to feel sad.




Pretty much this.

yes - THIS ...