Discussion Why is suicide considered a bad thing?

[Astral Storm]

This is something I can't comprehend. Though I can understand that it's really painful and traumatic for the family, I can't find any other reason. It can stem from the cultural and religious perspective that life is intrinsically a good thing and a gift, but it is simply very wrong and misleading.

Life itself is a series of endless problems. The fundamental state is a negative one. The basis of existence is lack and emptiness. We might get pleasure from fulfilling it, but it's only temporary. There's no end to these issues. Creating a life is like creating problems to be solved without end.

Violence and cruelty in the world are very concerning to me. Even my very existence is an evil for someone, like insects and ants. I don't think my life is more important than any other creature's. It pains me that I destroyed many living beings to make it to this moment. I just don't want to harm anybody at all.

The state of life torments me. This world is constantly swimming in blood and gore. Animals have been tearing at one another for billions of years. And for what? It's for nothing at all. All their screams and cries are for nothing. The entire universe is a madhouse. Most people are completely unaware of what's underneath their lives. It's a bloody graveyard.

How can anyone say that abandoning this miserable situation is a bad thing? Death seems to comfort me from the harshness and brutality of life.

 

[Efilismislife]

because they need minions to pay the bill, pay the tax, fight the war, meatshield, etc
worker, need slave, etc, etc

otherwise whos going to do all that

 

[sleeps]

couldn't agree more. the idea that every life is soooo precious and death is the worst thing that could happen is totally delusional to me. most of life mostly sucks for most living things. death is infinite freedom from that suffering. what a gift.

even better in the case of suicide, where the person has decided for themselves that their life is not worth living. why is it considered a tragedy that they attained the freedom they sought? that they are no longer in pain?

the real tragedy is that there are so many still living in pain, who have decided they want out, yet are unable to escape due to the inaccessibility of peaceful methods.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that it's true how suicide could never possibly be wrong in any way. The existence of life is so horrifying and yet so unnecessary. There was never any reason for life to be a thing in the first place, yet humans still decide to selfishly procreate creating endless misery and suffering that will continue to be experienced and inflicted on others by humans as long as life exists. To die solves all problems as it removes the true cause of them in the first place which is life itself. The non existent have no worries or concerns so therefore to die is ideal, but the most ideal thing is to never be born at all.

Nobody can deny how much cruelty exists in this world and yet so many people still view suicide as being worse than suffering, which is simply inevitable in life with endless possibilities for life to get more unbearable for us. I absolutely despise life itself and I view non existence as being objectively preferable to any kind of life. Death is simply inevitable for us all, so I see no point to prolonging suffering.

I think the main reasons as to why suicide is considered to be a negative thing, is obviously because of the suffering that it will cause to others left behind, and many people selfishly wouldn't want to lose someone that they know so they see suicide as being wrong for absolutely everyone, when in fact we all have our right to exit this world at a time of our own choosing. All humans are programmed to survive after all and many people fear death, so therefore many could be against suicide as they fear it. The thought of someone voluntarily choosing death over life terrifies them as it shatters their worldview that life is always worth living no matter what.

Accepting suicide as a valid option would mean that accepting that life could potentially get so awful for them to the point that they may want to leave and this thought scares them. It's also a lack of understanding of what other people go through and an inability to see things from their perspective.

I think that a lot of the pro life arguments are centered around delusional beliefs about the reality of this existence, and the society needs people believing in delusions so they don't lose all their workers, which is why in society our right to die is not respected and there is so much focus on suicide prevention and the idea is pushed that suicide is 'irrational' when in fact I see wanting suicide as being more rational than wanting to stay here and suffer until old age.

 

[Musichater]

Yup, life is so overrated.

 

[IntoTheLight]

Yeah it makes no sense. I believe a more enlightened society would offer a painless way out for anyone who decides they don't want to exist. You can't ask someone if they want to be born, but people shouldn't have to participate in a world if they decide it's not for them.

 

[ph0enix]

i agree to almost all said here before
yet it makes me wonder - as their seems a concens that life sux - that suicide is so rare …like <20/100,000 people

and there are so many humans from all sorts of folks be it politicians, sportsmen, firefighters, but also homeless people, handicapped people, objective losers, that would never ever choose suicide and may not even have this idea in mind

this is for sure also true for most mammals, that don't evaluate the pros and cons of existence but simply be

so it is still kinda strange to me that there is a certain population of humans like here in the forum, that puts death over existence … are we free to choose this? were we ever? i am very interested in the "illusion" of free will (checkout eg yuval noah harari, sam harris)

 

[willitpass]

as with any species, survival is an extremely deep rooted instinct. if a species wants to not go extinct they must live long enough to procreate and their offspring must survive long enough to procreate, and the cycle must continue. as humans have become a more advanced species that instinct has evolved into cultural and moral beliefs. intentional death goes against the primitive instinct to keep yourself alive for the sake of procreation and the newer instinct of living a long life.

 

[nootthenoot]

so it is still kinda strange to me that there is a certain population of humans like here in the forum, that puts death over existence … are we free to choose this? were we ever? i am very interested in the "illusion" of free will (checkout eg yuval noah harari, sam harris)

I second checking out Yuval Noah Harari; he is a brilliant thinker and writer.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Don't forget about the devoutly religious people that believe suicide is a sin. I'm not knocking anyone who is religious. You have the right to believe whatever you choose. I think many of those christian religious persons think that because suicide is a sin, that whomever commits suicide, will not enter the kingdom of heaven, and since they, also, believe in a second coming of christ and the final war against satan, that it is somehow in their best interest to have as many "soldiers" available for the fight.

 

[Sadboyspecimen]

Because pro lifers see suicidal people as mentally ill. The idea that someone could mull around the idea of ending their own life is absolute blasphemy. But to me it's hard imagine how someone could make it even to the age of 18 without having thought about suicide once. I've thought about suicide since I was a little kid, and I never thought about it as "bad". Just knew there was a way out. I didn't ask to be in this world, and if I had been I would have declined. The amount of bullshit that I have ran into has just been ridiculous. The question I ask is who in they're right mind actually enjoys this?! Every now and again there are some good moments I suppose, but it doesn't last.

But pro lifers just use suicide prevention as another way to make themselves feel good. Like as if they are doing the world a service. As if they are doing you a service. The lord's work or some dumb shit. You don't know what my life is like. You haven't seen how cruel "good" people can actually be. That's why you are prolife. Maybe you need to walk a while in my shoes and you can find out exactly how it feels.

It's also worth noting that most people do not actually care one bit. In all honesty. I'd say the vast majority would turn the other cheek, say you're just suicidal for attention, or just say they care bc it makes them look bad if they don't. "Pro lifers" are really a pretty small group.

Long story short: Death bad!

 

[CTB Dream]

Ppl suicide not know think all life Samy them, also they ling tell nit say ctb inside head say otherwise. Suicide expose life , people say no more pain suff, nothing more, there endless reason awful species say suicide negative. Many reason actual come becaus human species awful terrible, example jealous abuse hate not understand suffer forc norm etc this all humans nonsense human toxic,, re move humans toxic poison see truth seee ctb good ctb end all bad. Now damaging much what meaning stay nothing human terrible awful. Wish leave speciese soon

 

[Efilismislife]

Exactly what i said too
And to build church, etc they need minions too
Need donation

the bottom line is they need human resources

To fight wars they need human sacrifices
The more the better

low class people needed to support,worship high class people

the weak to be dominated by the strong

preys to fullfil the stomach of the predators

To build things they need labours, do the dirty hard jobs, voulenteer even lab rat to try the inventions

im not againts religion tho. Its just the people, many are corrupted.
as long as they dont use religion to bullying but to do good im fine with it

Some religion teachings are okay to me but some being used to mislead by corrupted people

Don't forget about the devoutly religious people that believe suicide is a sin. I'm not knocking anyone who is religious. You have the right to believe whatever you choose. I think many of those christian religious persons think that because suicide is a sin, that whomever commits suicide, will not enter the kingdom of heaven, and since they, also, believe in a second coming of christ and the final war against satan, that it is somehow in their best interest to have as many "soldiers" available for the fight.

 

[Darkover]

it's obvious they need slaves to work minimum wage jobs, given the choice of being a slave or dying everyone would choose death but they don't allow for people to commit suicide because they would have no slaves lefted to do the shitty horrible jobs nobody wants.

if n was legal to be bought by anyone nobody would be alive here everyone would just leave this shitty horrible world behind

 

[Efilismislife]

Exactly which is why they also encourage people to breed
like farm animals
being milked

it's obvious they need slaves to work minimum wage jobs, given the choice of being a slave or dying everyone would choose death

but they don't allow for people to commit suicide because they would have no slaves lefted to do the shitty horrible jobs nobody wants.

if n was legal to be bought by anyone nobody would be alive here everyone would just leave this shitty horrible world behind

 

[Endsticle]

They see it as bad because they can't understand why someone would want to give up. Trying to wrap their heads around our pain makes them think too hard about their own.

No one wants to think about anything too complicated or too painful. It challenges their worldview too much.

You ever notice how people don't like talking about terminal illness, or end of life care, abortion, the homeless, domestic violence, rape, or child abuse? Everyone wants to shy away from suffering they'd rather ignore until they absolutely have to address it.

Suicide is bad to them because in their mind everything is just supposed to work out perfectly for everyone in their bubble. "No suicide for me. Not someone I know. It can't happen in my bubble." yknow?