Discussion Why don’t people have the right to die?

[Fadeaway_bankz]

Why don't people have the right to die? It's unfair that we don't because nobody asked to born! So if someone wants to end their shitty rigged miserable unfair and unhappy life, they should have the right to die peacefully! It's selfish to force someone to live a miserable life! Misery loves company! Those who aren't happy with their lives always want to make other people unhappy! If they had a choice to end their lives quickly, painlessly, and peacefully then a lot of people would do that instead of living bitter and miserable lives. It would fix and solve so many problems! The world would be a lot better! The world would be more peaceful! But humans don't want that! Humans would never allow that to happen…

 

[SadBumblebee]

I think it's really to prevent rash and convulsive decisions. Most people would have wanted to die at some point in their life, but it's because suicide isn't easy that they stay alive. For example, let's say you broke up with your partner. Some people would be absolutely crushed and if given a button to just instantly die they might irrationality take it. People are capable of turning their life around and it happens a lot more than you might think. Society preserves life, and we want to prevent people who could've lived from dying.

 

[wham311]

I think it's really to prevent rash and convulsive decisions. Most people would have wanted to die at some point in their life, but it's because suicide isn't easy that they stay alive. For example, let's say you broke up with your partner. Some people would be absolutely crushed and if given a button to just instantly die they might irrationality take it. People are capable of turning their life around and it happens a lot more than you might think. Society preserves life, and we want to prevent people who could've lived from dying.

Yea will there's also some pretty fucked up stories I've come across here.

There should be more than chronic illness with 6 months left to live.

 

[SadBumblebee]

Yea will there's also some pretty fucked up stories I've come across here.

There should be more than chronic illness with 6 months left to live.

When you say fucked up stories, I assume you're saying people have gone through traumatic things and should be allowed to die rather than live with it, which I honestly see but in general I don't think anyone should just be able to freely and easily kill themself.

 

[jazzcat621]

It's like when a child cheats at a game and then gets upset that no one wants to play, except that child is the people in power that make this world a nightmare. Everyone else follows suit because of this societal notion that "its the right thing to do"

 

[Ijustcantanymore]

Because if they allowed it. The workforce would decrease, and capitalism might fail. Can't have that. Nope they need us as slaves to make rich people richer.

That's the real, actual reason.

 

[SleepyTransit]

Because if they allowed it. The workforce would decrease, and capitalism might fail. Can't have that. Nope they need us as slaves to make rich people richer.

That's the real, actual reason.

I agree with this... but what the actual world does not understand is that we SHOULD have the right to CTB. Plus why do some places call it murder if you do it to yourself? That is what confuses me.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

They want other humans as slaves

They can't even compromise with some rational restricted allowances to move away from extreme suffering

For example they say everything they make into crimes is to protect the children . But they won't allow anyone to show id over 18 to purchase nenmbutal, hire some to kill u, suicide booths etc. Remember that there are already many things like lawsuits that are allowed and should be that would prevent abuse in suicide assisting services or selling of Nemutal etc

In a less evil world I should at least be allowed to show id to prove im over 18 and buy Nembutal at a retail store.

Or Id to hire someone to shoot me in the head 10 times which is guaranteed.

And I can guarantee even after agi Ai in robots that can do any job a human can which i think at most 5 to 10 years : they still won't allow us the right to die. A clue to this is they don't allow now even someone age 85 bed bound and in pain the right to die even though that person wants to die and is costing millions $ per year in medical costs to keep alive hospital visits surgeries etc : there is no sense to this evil

 

[LetMeOut67]

That is the point.
It doesn't matter if you live or die
Even if you had potential and if they say it's wrong that you're allowed to die just cos you had a bad day. It isn't wrong because even if you could have had a good life so what ?
None of it matters.

 

[cait_sith]

I think it's really to prevent rash and convulsive decisions. Most people would have wanted to die at some point in their life, but it's because suicide isn't easy that they stay alive. For example, let's say you broke up with your partner. Some people would be absolutely crushed and if given a button to just instantly die they might irrationality take it. People are capable of turning their life around and it happens a lot more than you might think. Society preserves life, and we want to prevent people who could've lived from dying.

It would be so easy to prevent rash descions. In my world, If somebody can't prove an incurable sufferable illness, which would indeed grand them quick button push, I would give everyone applying for euthanasia a mandatory 6-month-waiting-period where they are free to talk to family/ friends/ or, if they want to, escially trained therapists about their desire to die without fear of getting incarcerated. They are free to cancel the appointment in this 6 month period whenever they want, and most people propably will, I would say you are only allowed to apply every 3 years so there is no constant back-and-forth with people applying and quitting.

 

[white_car]

Scores of people catching the bus would expose this "reality" for the sick joke it actually is...

It would force all the irresponsible narcissists who pump sensitive beings into a meat grinder willy-nilly to consider the possibility that it's reaaally a bad idea!

And of course, as others have already said above, it would deprive those who live off the fat of the land of the millions of wage-slaves who make their lives so pleasant by making the world run, to their benefit.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

It would be so easy to prevent rash descions. In my world, If somebody can't prove an incurable sufferable illness, which would indeed grand them quick button push, I would give everyone applying for euthanasia a mandatory 6-month-waiting-period where they are free to talk to family/ friends/ or, if they want to, escially trained therapists about their desire to die without fear of getting incarcerated. They are free to cancel the appointment in this 6 month period whenever they want, and most people propably will, I would say you are only allowed to apply every 3 years so there is no constant back-and-forth with people applying and quitting.

What if i'm in constant unbearable pain? Or wiil be in a few days as in homelessness why do I have to wait 6 months in unbearable constant pain?

I should allowed to instantly purchase nembutal or suicide assisting services over age 18 no questions asked. Just show id and pay.

I don't have to explain to anyone why I want to kill these monstrous cells I'm imprisoned in. It's nobody's business when I want to die I'm a die anyway.

Why do I have to live a minute more?

I don't care if I had a so called good life it's my choice alone when I leave this hell. I will never want to live even a minute more under any circumstances

 

[wham311]

What if i'm in constant unbearable pain? Or wiil be in a few days as in homelessness why do I have to wait 6 months in unbearable constant pain?

I should allowed to instantly purchase nembutal or suicide assisting services over age 18 no questions asked. Just show id and pay.

I don't have to explain to anyone why I want to kill these monstrous cells I'm imprisoned in. It's nobody's business when I want to die I'm a die anyway.

Why do I have to live a minute more?

I don't care if I had a so called good life it's my choice alone when I leave this hell. I will never want to live even a minute more under any circumstances

Correct get me the fuck out of here.

I can't even put together a plan I'm in so much pain. Need a button

It's like getting Medicaid etc, some people are having such a tough time they can't even go through the process. I just want a fucking button

 

[TAW122]

Why don't people have the right to die? It's unfair that we don't because nobody asked to born! So if someone wants to end their shitty rigged miserable unfair and unhappy life, they should have the right to die peacefully! It's selfish to force someone to live a miserable life! Misery loves company! Those who aren't happy with their lives always want to make other people unhappy! If they had a choice to end their lives quickly, painlessly, and peacefully then a lot of people would do that instead of living bitter and miserable lives. It would fix and solve so many problems! The world would be a lot better! The world would be more peaceful! But humans don't want that! Humans would never allow that to happen…

Absolutely agreed, and that was my experiences in general. Most of people who talk about things often involve some amount of misery (day to day conversation), be it struggles with work, relationships, current events, or whatnot. Also, to add to your point about people who end up living bitter and miserable lives, it would definitely solve those problems, perhaps a small subset of those who may end up committing horrible atrocities. Now I get that not all those live bitter and miserable lives end up doing so, but even if it prevented at least one or a few, that's a few less tragedies and horrible outcomes in the news and to others in society, thus it's a net win. Sadly, pro-lifers, anti-choicers, and similar people just don't see it that way.

I think it's really to prevent rash and convulsive decisions. Most people would have wanted to die at some point in their life, but it's because suicide isn't easy that they stay alive. For example, let's say you broke up with your partner. Some people would be absolutely crushed and if given a button to just instantly die they might irrationality take it. People are capable of turning their life around and it happens a lot more than you might think. Society preserves life, and we want to prevent people who could've lived from dying.

From that perspective to prevent impulsive CTBs that would make sense. However, many preventionists and anti-choicers, pro-lifers all lump suicidal people into the same category and treat each suicide as about the same (barring those go via death with dignity or those with terminal illnesses). Even if the person who was once stopped and later decides that they wish to die yet again, they would still be denied the option and further victimized (locked up against their will, forcibly drugged and so forth). The other issue is treating suicide not as a rational decision that someone could make, but as some sort of pathological illness that must be treated. It is very insulting and degrading to reduce people who already made up their mind to that of infants or even incompetent people, but I digress. I do believe that society needs to change that way and to recognize that the decision of suicide is not a product of mental illness, but could also be a well-calculated, deliberate choice borne of rationality and (perhaps the greatest) act of self-determination.

It would be so easy to prevent rash descions. In my world, If somebody can't prove an incurable sufferable illness, which would indeed grand them quick button push, I would give everyone applying for euthanasia a mandatory 6-month-waiting-period where they are free to talk to family/ friends/ or, if they want to, escially trained therapists about their desire to die without fear of getting incarcerated. They are free to cancel the appointment in this 6 month period whenever they want, and most people propably will, I would say you are only allowed to apply every 3 years so there is no constant back-and-forth with people applying and quitting.

I like this idea, it gives people a chance to be able to say their goodbyes and get their affairs in order, and most importantly, without fear of being locked up, forcibly drugged and treated against their will, and be able to have open, candid discussions about the topic instead of hiding in the dark all the time.

 

[cait_sith]

What if i'm in constant unbearable pain? Or wiil be in a few days as in homelessness why do I have to wait 6 months in unbearable constant pain?

I should allowed to instantly purchase nembutal or suicide assisting services over age 18 no questions asked. Just show id and pay.

I don't have to explain to anyone why I want to kill these monstrous cells I'm imprisoned in. It's nobody's business when I want to die I'm a die anyway.

Why do I have to live a minute more?

I don't care if I had a so called good life it's my choice alone when I leave this hell. I will never want to live even a minute more under any circumstances

I can see where you are coming from and for me I would want immediate access too, I can see not wanting to live a minute longer than necessary, but I was just brainstorming a more mainstream-friendly euthanasia model that prevents people making rash decisions, which would be of great concern for many people. Either way even this model with the waiting-period is still too "Extreme" and will never be reality anywhere anyway, I'm just having thoughts.

I wrote that if you have disease, which is pain, you should have instant access. Maybe I should drop the "incurable" part, if it's something that involves a lot of pain and takes a lot of pain and effort people should have instant access regardless I would include all non-painful or other diseases as well like going blind or unbearable depression. If you are about to become homeless or something maybe there should be temporary housing for people applying the euthanasia or something.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, it's just so dreadful and terrible to me how we exist in this prison like anti-suicide world where humans are forced to suffer with the suffering and torture of existing seen as to prolong no matter what, I always suffer so much from being burdened with this existence.

I always suffer from being denied the option to die painlessly to finally escape from this torturous existence I just always saw as a mistake, all I want is to never suffer ever again, I just never would had chosen any of this and I wish I never suffered in this dreadful, deeply undesirable existence more than anything, I'd just always prefer to not exist than suffer so unnecessarily in this cruel, futile existence.

 

[Ligottian]

The pro-choice position on abortion doesn't demand a "reason" the woman wants to terminate the pregnancy. I believe the same logic should apply to those seeking euthanasia.

 

[Ijustcantanymore]

Okay but what right does anyone have to enforce their will on other people, even ones making rash decisions? What authority does anyone have to tell someone they can't make their own rash decisions. Either they will live and either regret it or try again. Or they will die and have no more concerns and no regret because they are dead.

Why is the human solution always to cancel autonomy and try to control other people? Humans do realize that kind of behavior makes them unworthy of life in the first place. Mind your (general your) own damn business lol. Other people are not your (general your) concern.

 

[WeepingWorm]

Rights are only a social construct. Rights are always contingent on the duty to uphold them, and duties are upheld by force. Force is monopolized by the government, and it's not going to take financial losses if possible. So in other words, nobody on this planet owes you shit, always rely on yourself first.

 

[Alexandra_]

Absolutely everyone has the right to die, but what kind of death will it be? Euthanasia and assisted suicide should be available to everyone without exception, at least from the age of 18. It is inhumane to deprive especially sick people of this chance for a peaceful death. A cruel, pathetic, vile world with soulless, evil people in power

 

[LetMeOut67]

It's a fucking joke that they expect people like me to continue this life of semi bed bound chronic isolation.
The sick motherfuckers.

 

[Echo]

Because we are all slaves to the government. We get taxed on fucking everything. wages, national insurance car tax, council tax, VAT tax, and even when we die, inheritance tax.
The list is fucking endless.
If were all ctbing whos gonna pay to line the pockets of the rich, the fat cats at the top that some of us slave away each day at work, greedy fuckers getting bonuses while we get nothing!

 

[Dark Moon]

The government and people in power need peoples labour via taxes for the economy, some people also think that life is a gift (I don't) and society probably thinks they failed if someone wants to die and escape this hellscape.

Because we are all slaves to the government. We get taxed on fucking everything. wages, national insurance car tax, council tax, VAT tax, and even when we die, inheritance tax.
The list is fucking endless.
If were all ctbing whos gonna pay to line the pockets of the rich, the fat cats at the top that some of us slave away each day at work, greedy fuckers getting bonuses while we get nothing!

There's also Capital Gains Tax on top of all of that.

 

[Echo]

The government and people in power need peoples labour via taxes for the economy, some people also think that life is a gift (I don't) and society probably thinks they failed if someone wants to die and escape this hellscape.
There's also Capital Gains Tax on top of all of that.

Oh yes one I forgot capital gains tax. I dont know much about it tbh.

 

[tulero]

Oh yes one I forgot capital gains tax. I dont know much about it tbh.

its very easy to understand

if your risk your money and you win the systems tells you that a portion of that belongs to the goverment

but if you fail and you loose your money then they say you to go fuck yourself

 

[jenson]

I think there's just something inherently terrifying about someone wanting to end their life that scares people. Even if they don't know them. We accept that people die from murder, disease, trauma and the such because those are just aspects of life. But our biological goal is to survive. Its a scary thought that we can ovveride something so natural to us, it comes off as unnatural and disconcerting to others. Not to mention we are social creatures. Death always leaves a unfillable hole that is very difficult to get over.

 

[............]

A full answer to this question..... would be long enough to fill this entire forum. It's a very nuanced topic, for good and bad reasons.

So my personal and shortened opinion is that all governments would have to start actual root cause treatment and actually face WHY so many people want a right to die peacefully, but that takes too long, ignoring it by slapping laws and (personally) rather eh preventions on the symptoms of a suicidal society is way more efficient than actually taking care of the masses. They think: no right to die = "hm guess I won't commit suicide today then".

Not giving people the right to ctb is a symptom of not wanting to deal with the many factors that drive people to such measures.

 

[fallendevil]

Because if they allowed it. The workforce would decrease, and capitalism might fail. Can't have that. Nope they need us as slaves to make rich people richer.

That's the real, actual reason.

Said this once and I'll say it again, it's not a coincidence that third world countries have some of the highest birth rates and worst sex ed, and also have religions that promote early marriage and childbearing.