Discussion Why do people make children in this world?

[Praestat_Mori]

@Emma.D I really respect your opinion about how parents should behave and treat their children and it's fully respected that potential parents have children in this world. It's a natural behaviour of all life forms and this has to be respected fully. But what I can understand from most people joining here that they had a horrible childhood for whatever reason. And this is sth that makes me angry but obviously you tried everything to make a good childhood for your own children and I repsect your wish to have children so much as long as u try to give them the best childhood they can have as best as you can when it was your wish to put children into this world.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that selfishness and delusional beliefs about the harsh reality of existing here can explain why people continue to create more suffering by so cruelly burdening people with existence. I see procreation as being such a tragic and harmful thing that could never be acceptable to me as after all, all the suffering that humans go through is caused by the fact that they exist in the first place, the compassionate thing would be to leave the non-existent alone in peace, realistically I wish this species would go voluntarily extinct but sadly so many humans lack awareness for this.

But in general I think it's such a terrible punishment existing here in this hellish reality where there is unlimited potential to suffer endlessly, I don't believe that anyone deserves to be burdened with existence and we are all paying the price because of the harmful actions of other people. Never existing at all will always be the best possibility to me, procreation is just so unnecessary, existence was a horrific mistake in the first place.

 

[MiraiShisen]

People are just stupid and are controled by hormones, they just wanna fuck and side effect is children, this is number one reason why so many children are born into stupid poor overpopulated places... just look at africa stasts... youngest continent in earth (median age by country...) Its like 16 or 17 meanwhile in europe its 40+ People who just wanna fuck and are stupid and dont think about consequences bring into this world most of children. People who are educated and they have a good conditions to bring child only bring a small number of child into this world. Yeah we are just slaves of our biology.

 

[HopefulSleep]

I say, why do adults become parents, I've seen plenty of kids born to parents who don't care for them, abuse them, sexually and physically. Treat them as a trophy. Kids are suppose to be protected and guided, not filth. I look at kids with hope knowing they could have a better life then me. parents nowadays tend not to care for children anymore

They will all suffer sooner or later.

I think many of us on sasu are far removed from family situations that are truly good. There do exist those ideal scenarios, where a couple is mentally emotionally financially socially stable and healthy, where they are supported by each other, where there is good community for children to grow up in in their country. Where they truly want to bring a child into the world for the right reasons and commit to their roles as parents in a loving accepting way. People can grow up fully happy to be alive.

It is easy to get caught in an echo chamber of the idea that having children is awful, when all of us here have wished to not live, were born into bad situations families countries, and see so much suffering.

With a note though that I have not extensively read up on antinatalism, so my thoughts here may be misled.

There is a high chance of the child getting hurt even if the parents are good.

Well there are plenty of selfish parents but there are also plenty of good parents who genuinely believe they can set the groundwork for a wonderful life for their child. I don't necessarily think the good parents are deluded either. Plenty of people have wonderful lives.

I understand your points pretty well though. I personally think the world is a lot more cruel than it is lovely.

Parents can't properly protect their children in this world, it is only luck based if they get abused or bullied or not.

I hate my parents for having me regardless of how much they tried, I agree with the premise having kids is inherently selfish. maybe if the parent is in such an opportune situation they believe beyond a reasonable doubt the kid will have an amazing life but I don't see how any realistic well grounded person can think that

Even if someone has a good life the day will come in which they witness their parents death, even if the parents care for them it will make it more painful to them to loose them.

have children just to kick them out and hate them for being gay men

I don't understand how parents exist who don't accept their children for being gay.

People are just stupid and are controled by hormones, they just wanna fuck and side effect is children, this is number one reason why so many children are born into stupid poor overpopulated places... just look at africa stasts... youngest continent in earth (median age by country...) Its like 16 or 17 meanwhile in europe its 40+ People who just wanna fuck and are stupid and dont think about consequences bring into this world most of children. People who are educated and they have a good conditions to bring child only bring a small number of child into this world. Yeah we are just slaves of our biology.

Condoms?

 

[Jolene79]

Many parents are kind and loving and their children have a great life. Many people don't want to control someone but have truly good intent. I see why some find it a selfish act because it is in many ways. You don't know how the dice will roll. For example, I'm a parent, I'm kind and loving and am very conscious of allowing autonomy as much as possible. I never saw my situation coming and hang on dearly because I have this young person I truly adore. The situation that came about was not anything I could have foreseen and only now I feel how cruel this situation for those who don't ask to be created. But I sometime say that about myself and the awful hand I was dealt with my health - and I'm in my 40s.

If I had known this situation would happen to me before I had a child I would have thought differently and don't feel it would have been fair. There are other issues outside of me that may also make life challenging for them. I feel very devastated by that. But the intent was always good.

For most of us it is primarily driven by biology which can throw rational thought out the window. We are tricked into it by nature and hormones and then don't see the reality of what we may have done until we have created the life and life unfolds.

 

[HopefulSleep]

Many parents are kind and loving and their children have a great life.

That doesn't protect them from abusers and bullies and no matter what the day will come in which they stand in front of their parents grave

 

[deomlez]

1. Like SI, RI (reproduction instinct) is a f*** human part.

2. Inconsciousness

3. Silly thought there are better or stronger or .....er than all this world.

4. They forget that who they bring to life will die, although they fear dead over all.

 

[Unknown21]

Bc they're fucking selfish pigs.

 

[Emma.D]

Bc they're fucking selfish pigs.

OH DEAR

 

[deomlez]

Let's just try not to take it personally, or point fingers, let's try not to use words that are too generalised like "all parents are satanic cultists" or "all parents are selfless angels" and just talk from our own experiences.

Bc they're fucking selfish pigs.

Oops

 

[Emma.D]

Bc they're fucking selfish pigs.

So I'm a parent. Just to clarify. You're calling me a fucking selfish pig, yes?

 

[deomlez]

Do i bring pop corn or call 911 ?

 

[HopefulSleep]

Bc they're fucking selfish pigs.

Please don't generalize

 

[denix66]

Creo que el egoísmo y las creencias delirantes sobre la dura realidad de existir aquí pueden explicar por qué las personas continúan creando más sufrimiento al cargar a las personas con la existencia de manera tan cruel. Veo la procreación como algo tan trágico y dañino que nunca podría ser aceptable para mí ya que, después de todo, todo el sufrimiento que atraviesan los humanos es causado por el hecho de que existen en primer lugar, lo compasivo sería dejar el inexistente solo en paz, de manera realista desearía que esta especie se extinguiera voluntariamente, pero lamentablemente muchos humanos carecen de conciencia sobre esto.

Pero en general creo que es un castigo tan terrible el existir aquí en esta realidad infernal donde existe un potencial ilimitado para sufrir sin cesar, no creo que nadie merezca ser cargado con la existencia y todos estamos pagando el precio por las acciones dañinas. de otras personas Nunca existir en absoluto siempre será la mejor posibilidad para mí, la procreación es tan innecesaria, la existencia fue un error horrible en primer lugar.

Totalmente de acuerdo con tu aclaración.....simplemente logica e irrefutable

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't have children myself. I'm going on what friends have told me... I think it can be based around a need to express and feel love. I expect- in the best case scenario's- a couple love each other and want to create something between them- as it were- to raise and cherish. Each of them kind of sees the other person in the child I think- it's almost like a part of them will live on when the original parent dies. I guess- when you love someone that much- you like the idea of a part of them living on.

Personally- I can't see it but I guess they truly believe that their loving upbringing will prepare the child for every eventuality in life. As I say- I can't see it myself but- that's because I'm such a pessimist. Which is one big reason I wouldn't want children- it wouldn't be fair to inflict my genes on them!

I think some people are desperate to feel loved and needed- almost unconditionally- which I'm guessing is a major factor in it also. Some people certainly have more of a maternal/ paternal intinct than others.

 

[Unknown21]

So I'm a parent. Just to clarify. You're calling me a fucking selfish pig, yes?

I do not mean to offend you or anyone, but really how can a person give birth in this cruel world, I do not understand why people give birth even though this topic is very clear and intuitive and does not require a high level of awareness to realize it. Therefore, I do not sympathize with reproductive / natalist people and see them as mere criminals, in my opinion.

 

[Emma.D]

All of this is infecting SS with an overwhelming air of hostility to one particular group of people -parents.. . It's literally disgusting! This whole thread fucking stinks.
I'm literally fighting to defend SS on other platforms every day because it matters to me! But why am I even bothering? But you people are fucking polluting what used to be a place of empathy and acceptance

I do not mean to offend you or anyone, but really how can a person give birth in this cruel world, I do not understand why people give birth even though this topic is very clear and intuitive and does not require a high level of awareness to realize it. Therefore, I do not sympathize with reproductive people and see them as mere criminals, in my opinion.

Fuck off

 

[HopefulSleep]

As I say- I can't see it myself but- that's because I'm such a pessimist.

They will all feel pain sooner or later, that is not pessimism.

All of this is infecting SS with an overwhelming air of hostility to one particular group of people -parents.. . It's literally disgusting! This whole thread fucking stinks.
I'm literally fighting to defend SS on other platforms every day because it matters to me! But why am I even bothering? But you people are fucking polluting what used to be a place of empathy and acceptance

I made this thread to genuinely understand why people bring children in this world and I am sorry people are so rude to you in this thread

 

[aGoodDayToDie]

Most people just follow their natural instinct and fuck. They don't give a single fucking thought about the suffering their children might go through because they themselves haven't suffered enough to question the decision.

 

[Anon1337]

Lots of people do live happy lives and they are thankful for being born.

 

[HopefulSleep]

Lots of people do live happy lives and they are thankful for being born.

Every person will feel pain except if they die before it

 

[getfree05]

I mean my mum literally confessed to me that she had me because my dad was super physically abusive so she didn't want to be fucking alone in this shit so she thought it was a perfectly good idea to have me suffer with her

 

[HopefulSleep]

I mean my mum literally confessed to me that she had me because my dad was super physically abusive so she didn't want to be fucking alone in this shit so she thought it was a perfectly good idea to have me suffer with her

I hate my mother she mentally abused me

 

[Forever Sleep]

They will all feel pain sooner or later, that is not pessimism.

I made this thread to genuinely understand why people bring children in this world and I am sorry people are so rude to you in this thread

Hmm- yeah- pain is nature's way of telling you there's something wrong. If it's physical pain- sometimes it can be treated. If it's psychological/ emotional pain- again- sometimes people will get over it. (Not everyone- obviously.) Is everyone you know in life suicidally depressed? I do know a lot of unhappy people- 'misery loves company' as they say. I also know people who (at least) appear to enjoy life- despite having problems.

I don't personally believe that EVERYONE will end up suicidally depressed. I also don't think that the 'happy-ish' people out there are all delussional or constantly faking it. Otherwise- we'd all be talking about suicide openly because it wouldn't be a shock to people that some individuals are SO unhappy that they want to end it. I don't think this forum is that representative of the world population. People DO suffer- undoubtably. Not everyone becomes depressed or suicidal.

 

[Emma.D]

I'm guessing all the antinatalists had bad experiences with their parents? Well a lot of women on here have had terrible experiences with men, yet slagging men off to the same extent wouldn't be tolerated. Why is that?
I've had HORRIBLE experiences with men but I'd never say ' men are fucking selfish pigs' or something like that.
(I don't think that.. it's an example)
Why are parents fair game to attack?

 

[sayire]

I agree with being critical of parents than anyone else because, most if not all of us are essentially formed and our foundations build during childhood. relationships and hardships from them come when we are semi-adults to adults.

when forming our foundations, the adults in child's lives are the greatest influence. Parents arguably are the lions share. so parents category surely stands apart from any other category with regards to world being a better or worse place. I would say some of the worst case issues are generational, bad parents had bad parents too.

but this thread makes it sound like parents knowing screw up their kids. that part I do not agree. I feel majority of folks who end up being bad parents would have had no idea that they would be bad parents.

 

[Emma.D]

I agree with being critical of parents than anyone else because, most if not all of us are essentially formed and our foundations build during childhood. relationships and hardships from them come when we are semi-adults to adults.

when forming our foundations, the adults in child's lives are the greatest influence. Parents arguably are the lions share. so parents category surely stands apart from any other category with regards to world being a better or worse place. I would say some of the worst case issues are generational, bad parents had bad parents too.

but this thread makes it sound like parents knowing screw up their kids. that part I do not agree. I feel majority of folks who end up being bad parents would have had no idea that they would be bad parents.

So you are saying it's fine to generalise and hate parents on here?
Do you know what? I give up. I can't be here! I thought I could come back and just use ignore on the people trashing parents but there's so fucking many it's literally impossible.
You people with this view remind me of evangelical christians.. or even the Islamic state .. in the way that you have created a theology around your own warped logic.. and you refuse for even a second to think there is another way.
Even when people had issues with incels on here in the past they were never bashed and attacked how parents are.. no group is hated like this!
You guys just carry on posting fucking boring threads about how terrible people are for having children.. thank fuck I won't be here to see it…

 

[sayire]

So you are saying it's fine to generalise and hate parents on here?
Do you know what? I give up. I can't be here! I thought I could come back and just use ignore on the people trashing parents but there's so fucking many it's literally impossible.
You people with this view remind me of evangelical christians.. or even the Islamic state .. in the way that you have created a theology around your own warped logic.. and you refuse for even a second to think there is another way.
Even when people had issues with incels on here in the past they were never bashed and attacked how parents are.. no group is hated like this!
You guys just carry on posting fucking boring threads about how terrible people are for having children.. thank fuck I won't be here to see it…

I did not see that coming! Sorry my words came across as anti parents, they sure were not.

Was saying parent to child responsibility stands out than any other relationship.

I absolutely do not agree with generalizing any group and making a singular message about that group.

 

[Jolene79]

Every person will feel pain except if they die before it

I agree with the concept that life is pain and suffering. But, for many, ( people not on here!),life is so much more than that. I think on here we are all in a different category by experiences - really awful ones that many will never deal with. I feel for you alot because you have truly suffered to feel the way you do, and that isn't fair. It's the luck of the draw and alot of us on here had some real shit luck. Many people do not feel this way and actually value and love life

 

[HopefulSleep]

I agree with the concept that life is pain and suffering. But, for many, ( people not on here!),life is so much more than that. I think on here we are all in a different category by experiences - really awful ones that many will never deal with. I feel for you alot because you have truly suffered to feel the way you do, and that isn't fair. It's the luck of the draw and alot of us on here had some real shit luck. Many people do not feel this way and actually value and love life

It is still just luck based even good parents can't control what happens to the child and everyone will witness their parents death.