Discussion Why do people make children in this world?

[HopefulSleep]

First I have to say I obviously don't judge any parents, I would just like to know why people bring children to this world knowing the things that could happen to them?

You have to tell children that they shouldn't go with strangers and that they should tell adults if they get punched in school for example, that just shows to me that this world is just too broken for children, you have to hide the world and protect them from it basically.
Also they can't really be protected from abuse and bullying, they simply don't understand it and there is is no real way to prevent it society rather pretends it doesn't happen anyway.

Every person will get hurt in their life just in different ways, for example every person will know how it feels to loose their parents (except if they didn't know them but then that's another problem), I don't see why people get forced to live through that by being born.

I find it morally not ok to force someone to live, you can't ask them before they get born if they want to live through it and the risk it brings and in this world if they choose for themselves that they don't want it then they still get forced to live.

I asked my mother how she could force me to live under the circumstances of the world and she just said that she didn't think about the negatives, I don't understand how delusional people are.
My family told me abuse happened to them too and there are worse things that could have happened to me but I don't understand why people make children then?

I don't see any reason behind this at all, they basically get lied to and live in their dream world and if they are unlucky they get abused or bullied and if they are lucky they "only" lose their parents, every person will suffer except they die before it so why reproduce if not existing is the only way to avoid the pain that will come?

In germany circa 48 children get sexually abused every day, just doesn't seem like a safe world for kids imo.

All the abuse and bullying I suffered from could have had be avoided by just aborting me, I just want to understand what the reason is to not do that?

From what I understand people do it cause of the natural desire to reproduce and cause it makes them feel happy.

 

[MrDarkness]

I say, why do adults become parents, I've seen plenty of kids born to parents who don't care for them, abuse them, sexually and physically. Treat them as a trophy. Kids are suppose to be protected and guided, not filth. I look at kids with hope knowing they could have a better life then me. parents nowadays tend not to care for children anymore

 

[alonely]

I think many of us on sasu are far removed from family situations that are truly good. There do exist those ideal scenarios, where a couple is mentally emotionally financially socially stable and healthy, where they are supported by each other, where there is good community for children to grow up in in their country. Where they truly want to bring a child into the world for the right reasons and commit to their roles as parents in a loving accepting way. People can grow up fully happy to be alive.

It is easy to get caught in an echo chamber of the idea that having children is awful, when all of us here have wished to not live, were born into bad situations families countries, and see so much suffering.

With a note though that I have not extensively read up on antinatalism, so my thoughts here may be misled.

 

[ultrasharpy123456]

I ask myself this question every single day. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Grimpoteuthis]

To heal their trauma experienced as a kid;
To fulfill the duty as a member of society;
To follow God's will;
To project unfulfilled life goal;
To secure a marriage that is falling apart;
To feel and give unconditional love;
Total accident;

The list can go on forever and not all of them have to be logical. But people who have chosen to be childfree usually share the same reasoning, that they are neither prepared to be a qualified parent nor do they want any more innocent lives to experience sufferings.

 

[magician99]

Because they love to have control and power over people who can't defend themselves, in this case, their children.

 

[TessaMocha]

I've mostly felt it's out of selfishness. All my friends don't want children for such valid reasons, all the people I know that want/have children have,,, strange reasons

 

[Daxter_87]

It's nothing but pure selfishness to bring children into this world. There are no valid reasons, they are all about the parents' desires. And it doesn't matter if the parents are wealthy and live in what people call a "normal" environment. The child will suffer no matter what, one way or another, because there is nothing that is more guaranteed in life than suffering.

 

[Emma.D]

It's nothing but pure selfishness to bring children into this world. There are no valid reasons, they are all about the parents' desires. And it doesn't matter if the parents are wealthy and live in what people call a "normal" environment. The child will suffer no matter what, one way or another, because there is nothing that is more guaranteed in life than suffering.

What a small minded and unkind opinion.

 

[Daxter_87]

What a small minded and unkind opinion.

Well, it would be nice if you could explain why. If anything, I think that the unkind thing to do is to force someone here despite the potential for catastrophe. It's a totally non-consensual act, it's no different from any other non-consensual act.

 

[Huggs]

Well there are plenty of selfish parents but there are also plenty of good parents who genuinely believe they can set the groundwork for a wonderful life for their child. I don't necessarily think the good parents are deluded either. Plenty of people have wonderful lives.

I understand your points pretty well though. I personally think the world is a lot more cruel than it is lovely.

 

[Emma.D]

Well, it would be nice if you could explain why. If anything, I think that the unkind thing to do is to force someone here despite the potential for catastrophe. It's a totally non-consensual act, it's no different from any other non-consensual act.

I don't need to explain anything to you. I had you on ignore but realised that this thread would again contain content which will make parents feel they can't be open on SS, so I looked at what you posted. I was right.
You are allowed your opinion… but NOT to state as fact that people are 'selfish' for doing something you don't agree with.
You don't KNOW that I was selfish to have children. You don't KNOW for sure anything about why people have made the choices they have. It is YOUR OPINION that there are no valid reasons..
IT IS NOT FACT.
Please be sensitive to other members.

Because they love to have control and power over people who can't defend themselves, in this case, their children.

This is your opinion. This is not a fact

 

[loopdaloop]

idk there's no way humanity as a whole will go extinct voluntarily, maybe the cycle of pointless suffering on this planet will end when the sun swallows the earth

 

[carac]

I think its just evolutionary nature, in other words people (not all) just have a natural instinct to procreate and raise children.

 

[Daxter_87]

I don't need to explain anything to you. I had you on ignore but realised that this thread would again contain content which will make parents feel they can't be open on SS, so I looked at what you posted. I was right.
You are allowed your opinion… but NOT to state as fact that people are 'selfish' for doing something you don't agree with.
You don't KNOW that I was selfish to have children. You don't KNOW for sure anything about why people have made the choices they have. It is YOUR OPINION that there are no valid reasons..
IT IS NOT FACT.
Please be sensitive to other members.

This is your opinion. This is not a fact

I really don't wish to hurt your feelings, and parents can be open on SaSu. There are many posts about parents in pain because they've lost their children. I'm obviously not going to say any of this in such threads, because they are already suffering enough.

But yes, it's an undeniable fact that having children is a non-consensual act, it's also an undeniable fact that suffering is guaranteed in life. And there are many other arguments, but I won't go into too much detail here.

 

[CTB Dream]

Cuz human species no brain, keep stonage idea relig etc force sffr, see wrld many no sns , yea awfl bring ppl wrld cruel no mthd no any, now see this awfl species awfl prnt bring now wat do, lose brain lose slf lose all no mthod no any, species prtnd nothing hpn all want frc rprdct keep nonsns delsn, ppl nvr hlp only prtnd hpy scl prgrm mrg bring chld etc but othr part life nobod see nobod care. Yea me come life dvlp dvlp dvlp all wat now lose now all go, yea no brain species want species try injury damage 1m see life delzn ,yea all awfl now me trap cuz species frc me live species frc me sffr species injury damage me no give mthod.

But this no only me see all wrld life 0 meann, see war ppl die many wat mean sngl lif ? Nothin, see hstry exmp china all numbr crazy ppl die.

Yea this all awfl brainle species fk species now me trap cuz this awfl, this awfl species abuse me wmn try frc rprdct also homophb, awfl scum species make me trama make me injury damage now not evn slf

 

[Emma.D]

I really don't wish to hurt your feelings, and parents can be open on SaSu. There are many posts about parents in pain because they've lost their children. I'm obviously not going to say any of this in such threads, because they are already suffering enough.

But yes, it's an undeniable fact that having children is a non-consensual act, it's also an undeniable fact that suffering is guaranteed in life. And there are many other arguments, but I won't go into too much detail here.

I know the arguments! But in another thread you have said having children is despicable and criminal. Please stop this you are damaging people and making them scared to post! I've literally had a message from a mother telling me she won't post due to backlash from antinatalists!

 

[saddestbunny]

I hate my parents for having me regardless of how much they tried, I agree with the premise having kids is inherently selfish. maybe if the parent is in such an opportune situation they believe beyond a reasonable doubt the kid will have an amazing life but I don't see how any realistic well grounded person can think that

 

[Praestat_Mori]

First of all it's a natural habit for a species to reproduce itself and to produce enough progeny to keep itself alive. This is a natural habit. Especially in the past 100 years life circumstances for humans changed so much so that natural evolution did not have the slightest chance to adapt to the current circumstances. Yes I believe that producing children nowadays is irresponsible and I'm in the middle ages of an avg life time and I never intended to produce children even when I was younger, so does my wife.

I understand that many here had a terrible childhood and they are still suffering from it and that some may have had a good childhood but don't find a way to live and to be "happy" in our modern society and there are many other personal experiences one might have had. The natural intention of reproducing life is there but it's the human society itself that causes all that pain and suffering to some indidividuals. We are forced to live in an unnatural environment we were not made for.

 

[Daxter_87]

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I know the arguments! But in another thread you have said having children is despicable and criminal. Please stop this you are damaging people and making them scared to post! I've literally had a message from a mother telling me she won't post due to backlash from antinatalists!

I've already said this. I'm not going to attack parents who make posts when they are stating that they are already in pain. I make my own posts, and you don't have to read them if you don't want to.

Please don't be scared to post, I'm not going to attack vulnerable people in pain. I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings, really, but I'm not going to stop making my own posts. Really just don't read them if they cause you so much suffering.

 

[Emma.D]

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I've already said this. I'm not going to attack parents who make posts when they are stating that they are already in pain. I make my own posts, and you don't have to read them if you don't want to.

Please don't be scared to post, I'm not going to attack vulnerable people in pain. I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings, really, but I'm not going to stop making my own posts. Really just don't read them if they cause you so much suffering.

You aren't being some sort of saint by not plastering your views over the posts of parents.. Your views are still EVERYWHERE and everyone including parents can read them.
My issue with you is that you don't present your views as opinion, you present them as fact. And in doing so you name a particular group here as 'criminal, selfish and despicable' among other unpleasant things. I don't know any other group targeted in this way and it being accepted the way it is.
I'm telling you it is starting to feel like SS is turning into a clique of antinatalists and parent haters. You are going to put people off coming here and people will not get the support they need.
I am going to put you back on ignore because I find your inability to show sensitivity, kindness or subjectivity really abhorrent and triggering. But I'm telling you that you are causing people damage. I don't think your posts have a place here. That's my opinion.

 

[saddestbunny]

I think it's important for everyone to realize that everything posted on this forum by its respective members represent their opinions and personal worldview, regardless of how it's phrased

 

[Emma.D]

I think it's important for everyone to realize that everything posted on this forum by its respective members represent their opinions and personal worldview, regardless of how it's phrased

So if I said 'people who jump in front of trains are despicable and selfish, there's no excuse it's a criminal act.) then someone reading it whose partner had ctb by jumping in front of a train should just say nothing and accept it, because everything said on here is personal opinion????? How you phrase things is massively important! Stating that one type of person is criminal and despicable is an attack!!!! That's all there is to it.

(I don't think this about people who jump in front of trains by the way. It's an example. )

 

[saddestbunny]

So if I said 'people who jump in front of trains are despicable and selfish, there's no excuse it's a criminal act.) then someone reading it whose partner had ctb by jumping in front of a train should just say nothing and accept it, because everything said on here is personal opinion????? How you phrase things is massively important! Stating that one type of person is criminal and despicable is an attack!!!! That's all there is to it.

(I don't think this about people who jump in front of trains by the way. It's an example. )

I think if someone said that and I had a problem with it I'd ignore them, knowing it's their opinion and the purpose of this site yea

not that I've seen that from people at this site, it seems everyone here tries to be pretty understanding


and not that I want to get into it but to me ending your life would be less selfish than creating new life, but I suppose if someone thought it was selfish to die this would be the wrong site to be on

 

[Emma.D]

I think if someone said that and I had a problem with it I'd ignore them, knowing it's their opinion and the purpose of this site yea

not that I've seen that from people at this site, it seems everyone here tries to be pretty understanding

So you literally think anyone can say anything and it's fine it's just someone's opinion????
This….

 

[saddestbunny]

So you literally think anyone can say anything and it's fine it's just someone's opinion????

I think if you take what you see from everyone this harshly then you will continue to be upset unfortunately

yes, I believe everyone's opinions are just that :) including mine, feel free to ignore me of course, but I meant this all with best intentions

 

[Emma.D]

I think if you take what you see from everyone this harshly then you will continue to be upset unfortunately

yes, I believe everyone's opinions are just that :)

So if I said that pronatalists are a bunch of boring whining cunts that's fine is it?????

 

[saddestbunny]

So if I said that pronatalists are a bunch of boring whining cunts that's fine is it?????

I'm amused, but yea that's it, that's your opinion

if it's true or not or whether anyone respects you for the opinion is its own thing, but now you're defining what's imposing views / stating opinions and I'm sure there's lots of interpretive Grey area. I'm not a mod :)

 

[magician99]

This is your opinion. This is not a fact

No shit.

Everyone in this thread is giving their own opinion on this topic.

I never said that my opinion is a fact. And neither is yours.

 

[suicidalloser]

have children just to kick them out and hate them for being gay men