Why are men more likely to ctb?

[Spyware]

Easier life, more happiness/enjoyment, less suicide

 

[LesbianCarpetPython]

I imagine the expectation men have to put up with due to toxic masculinity. Men in our society today typically aren't allowed to show emotion or they'd be seen as wimpy

 

[freedomcalls]

As a woman, I wonder if it's because we are more likely to feel responsible for other peoples well-being / care taking

I feel responsible to care for my parents and mother in law when they get older & there's nobody else around who will do that. Many of my female friends have the same expectation

 

[Doom]

testosterone>societal conditioning feedback loop that makes men more violent and arguably more pragmatic and less emotional.

Probably because having higher testosterone levels is generally linked to more risk-taking behaviour and impulsivity.

yes but same studies says:

"However, there is some evidence to contradict a direct causal link between impulsivity and
suicidal behaviour: Dear (2000) found that in a sample of prisoners (half of whom had a
history of attempted suicide) impulsivity was positively correlated with depression and with
measures of suicidal ideation, but that when depression was controlled for, the positive
correlation was not significant. This suggests that the association between impulsivity and
suicidal ideation is mediated by depression, rather than being a direct consequence of
impulsivity.
Furthermore, given that according to Pompili et al. (2009) suicide attempts in impulsive individuals are usually less lethal than suicide attempts in non-impulsive individuals, if the discrepancy in suicide rates were solely attributed to impulsivity in men then, it would logically follow that suicide attempt mortality would be lower in men than in women. However, as discussed in the previous section, there is extensive evidence to suggest that the reverse is true – men have higher suicide attempt mortality rates, as they use more lethal methods. On balance, it can be concluded that although impulsivity may account for some of the difference in the suicide rate between men and women, it cannot fully account for the discrepancy. "

 

[Misery99]

I'm a woman but I still want to die. Life is a curse if you are poor,ugly or weird. Doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman.

 

[Looking4Answers2]

Another factor is the high divorce rate, whereby majority of the time divorce is initiated by women.

How many times have you heard a guy say I knew things weren't the best but one day she up and left or one day she had me served.

Men are also more likely to be homeless. They usually don't have access to the same resources women do to prevent that.

Men are the expendable sex, from both a societal and reproductive aspect. We need women more than men for reproduction (1 man 10 women, vs 10 men 1 woman)
From a societal pov just think they always point out women casualties specifically when mass casualty event...

 

[amightyquack]

I believe because we still live in the remnants of the "disposable man" society. I believe that a lot of the men that kill themselves would have been one of the negligible front line deaths of war had they been born in a previous timeline.

 

[Teddybear]

I imagine the expectation men have to put up with due to toxic masculinity. Men in our society today typically aren't allowed to show emotion or they'd be seen as wimpy

"Toxic Masculinity" is another one of those woke social inventions that only serve to make life miserable for the rest of us.

If anyone its women who pass very harsh judgement on "male softies". The want Arnold Schwarzenegger in bed, George Cloney on the couch and Brad Pitt by their side on the party.

Where possible all three roled into one. But none would touch a cry baby man with a ten foot pole.

But yeah, its best to blame it all on the male, for feminists regard us as the defect part of the species anyway. :(

 

[eldiablo666]

I believe because we still live in the remnants of the "disposable man" society. I believe that a lot of the men that kill themselves would have been one of the negligible front line deaths of war had they been born in a previous timeline.

? What

Why do you think it's those people specifically who would've stood at the frontlines?
No offense but that sounds kind of foolish.
You think it's because they wanted to die so they placed themselves on the front?

Help me understand this.

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

On balance, it can be concluded that although impulsivity may account for some of the difference in the suicide rate between men and women, it cannot fully account for the discrepancy. "

Fair enough, I should've made it clear that I don't think impulsivity is the only reason for the higher completed suicide rate. Some other reasons could be that men are less likely to be a single parent, more men are in possession of firearms than women etc.

Having said that, suicide stats are usually inaccurate. For example, in some religious countries or groups, suicide is considered a sin, so deaths by suicide might be under-reported and instead registered as accidents or natural deaths in the national mortality statistics. 'An autopsy that includes measures of toxic agents may help in distinguishing between natural and unnatural deaths, but not between suicides and accidents caused by an overdose of drugs or poison.'

In other countries suicides are likely to be underreported due to socio-cultural reasons, such as stigma and social pressures, and institutional reasons, such as the lack of resources for autopsy and rigorous classification of deaths. Overall, the underreporting of suicides is a frequently occurring, global problem.

The problem with threads like this is they're always used by bitter members to start a gender war and play the blame game. The statistic gives very little information and not the whole picture but it's used to push the narrative that more men are suicidal than women (and that women are to blame). It can be argued the opposite is true if you take into account that globally more women self-harm and make suicide attempts than men - they just use less lethal methods like overdose. Studies have shown that using a less lethal method doesn't indicate weaker suicidal ideation.

Again, we can't swear by those statistics either because many failed attempts aren't included in the stats unless they're serious enough to lead to hospitalisation, and a lot of people, men in particular, probably under-report failed attempts.

Another thing to take in to account is that people are currently in situations where they're suicidal but physically don't have the means to commit suicide or even attempt because they're dirt poor, disabled, held captive, or being trafficked etc. Some people are in abusive situations where they're not left alone or have the financial freedom or independence to even buy a rope.

TLDR: mortality rates aren't a reliable estimate of how many people are suicidal, which gender has a better quality of life or which gender is more suicidal.

 

[Someone123]

I can say in my case my mom thought my sister was vulnerable and needed to be protected so both of my parents treated her in a caring way due to that. For me my mom saw me as a threat, since I was born, someone to be afraid of, and that's was I was treated by my parents much of the time. This pattern or similar patterns are repeated a lot.

 

[Amccorm2]

So, having been a boy and man for 34 years (since birth) I can only reflect on my personal experience.

There are some very good points raised by people on this thread.
I previously built and ran a training course for managers of front line safety critical staff who operate in a dangerous environment on a daily basis, most of these managers were men in high stress, high consequence jobs with very little support. What I saw from being in that position are below.

The relationships that men and women form with members of the same sex are extremely different. Women tend to form "face to face" relationships. This involves a lot of talking to each other about emotions and feelings related to situations and experiences.

Men on the other hand from "shoulder to shoulder" relationships. This means that they often discuss situations and experiences but do not include the emotional aspect. This is why women sometimes struggle to keep up with a conversation between two or more men as the topics often change due to the lack of emotional analysis.

Women also are more likely to seek help with issues earlier. As a very rough estimate, women will reach out for help when they are 30% into an issue or problem. As a contrast, if a man does reach out for help, he's roughly 98% into the issue or problem. Men don't reach out for help due to stigma, social expectations and personal view of their self.

Obviously all of this is up for debate but these are my observations and experiences over time.

 

[noname223]

To be honest I think this thread was neither very sophisticated nor helpful.

Here is an article on gender differences about suicide.

Are There Gender Differences in Suicide and Suicidal Behaviors?

Learn more about the suicide rate in men vs. women, why there are differences in genders, and the methods by which each gender is most likely to die by suicide.

www.verywellmind.com

"Suicide Attempt and Risk of Death"

"Suicide statistics reveal that women are roughly three times more likely to attempt suicide, though men are two to four times more likely to die by suicide. Compared to men, women show higher rates of suicidal thinking, non-fatal suicidal behavior, and suicide attempts."​


"The differences in attempts and completed suicides in women have erroneously led many people to believe that suicide attempts in women are often a method of getting attention rather than a serious risk. This is far from true."

I apologize for this unnuanced thread of mine. Always take information on the internet with a grain of salt. Laymen can spread a lot of half-knowledge.

 

[Teddybear]

The relationships that men and women form with members of the same sex are extremely different. Women tend to form "face to face" relationships. This involves a lot of talking to each other about emotions and feelings related to situations and experiences.

Men on the other hand from "shoulder to shoulder" relationships. This means that they often discuss situations and experiences but do not include the emotional aspect. This is why women sometimes struggle to keep up with a conversation between two or more men as the topics often change due to the lack of emotional analysis.

Women also are more likely to seek help with issues earlier. As a very rough estimate, women will reach out for help when they are 30% into an issue or problem.

From my own experience women don't so much want to "analyze emotions" as they want (demand) reassurance of loyalty. You listening to them in an agreeable way is what they are after.

As a classical male I often made the mistake to "analyze" the situation, trying to find a solution. But that's not what the typical female is after. She wants affection, not analysis.

 

[BornToFail]

Yeah, I'm not touching this, lmao.

 

[9BBN]

yes but same studies says:

"However, there is some evidence to contradict a direct causal link between impulsivity and
suicidal behaviour:

I don't think impulsivity is the right metric to use here, suicidal intent is. It should be clear to us of all people that someone can have high intent with low impulsivity, and someone can have high impulse with low intent.

Still, point goes to you because men have higher suicidal intent.

Even then it's not so clear cut. Previous objections on the basis of testosterone differences (as opposed to societal differences) can still hold, because it is arguable whether or not testosterone itself causes higher suicidal intent, just like for instance it is correlated with higher homocidal intent. Disclaimer: correlated with it, not predictive of it!

 

[Teddybear]

Thx for that last sentence!

 

[tyasma]

Maladaptation of men's innate biology into the current world. Gene editing can't come soon enough.

 

[Jason Steele]

Men use more lethal methods, I've read.

 

[Teddybear]

And I've read so many redefinitions of "manhood" as of late, that I can no longer figure what is supposed to make a "man" out of a (fe)male.

 

[LonelyEmerald]

Women evolved to look good and get treated well emotionally. Men evolved by beating each other up for mates, not to be emotionally supported. Now we live in a world where you cannot take what you want without severe consequences, taught to sheath our swords all the time. Yet we are still berated with harmful words.

 

[noname223]

Women evolved to look good and get treated well emotionally. Men evolved by beating each other up for mates, not to be emotionally supported. Now we live in a world where you cannot take what you want without severe consequences, taught to sheath our swords all the time. Yet we are still berated with harmful words.

I doubt that women get always treated very well. I know a lot of women who were sexually assaulted. Physically and emotionally abused. This also happened throughout history.

And I think in school girls might be even more cruel than boys in a certain age.
Personally I was bullied a lot. But there was a stop for that after a certain age. The bullying of my sister lasted longer. But maybe one cannot decude a universal law by that observation.