Which one is the safest knot for the anchor point for full hanging???

[Terrible_Life]

Which knot should i use for the anchor point its a wood beam that is rectangular. I read that the bowline can get open if the weight moves back and forth. So which knot is the safest one ?
I wanted to use this but it says that the knot will get tighter around the anchor so i was afraid the edges of the beam could destroy the rope and I could fall down.

 

[StoneBridge]

If you aren't sure about the knot's advantages and disadvantages, why take risk of brain damage in case it fails?

 

[Terrible_Life]

Because I planned ctb now for a very long time and i have enough from this fucking world. I also think both knots would held perfectly but its ocd which tortures me to reconsider everything. I just want to die and I think therefore i should just do it.

 

[StoneBridge]

I feel sorry for your illness and situation, I know some friends who are also constantly bothered by OCD. You really need to reach out for professional help. By the way, the knot doesn't work well on flat surfaces. Suffering from OCD sucks enough, but suffering from OCD with further brain damage sucks even more.
Wishing you peace.

 

[AreWeWinning]

I read that the bowline can get open if the weight moves back and forth.

Where did you read this? As far as I'm aware, it isn't true. The Bowline is a strong and secure knot.

It's true that the Bowline can work itself loose if there is no load on it and the rope wiggles around a lot. But it it's quite unrealistic in our case. Just make sure you leave a long enough tail and possibly add a stopper knot as well on the free end, and it should be fine.

If you really want to make the Bowline more secure, you can also tie a Bowline with a Yosemite Finish.

I wanted to use this but it says that the knot will get tighter around the anchor so i was afraid the edges of the beam could destroy the rope and I could fall down.

I don't think the edges cutting into the rope is an issue. It won't be sharp enough to cut the rope. Anyway, the rope will get tight around the top edge of the beam regardless of which knot you use. You can't avoid it.

 

[Terrible_Life]

Where did you read this? As far as I'm aware, it isn't true. The Bowline is a strong and secure knot.

It's true that the Bowline can work itself loose if there is no load on it and the rope wiggles around a lot. But it it's quite unrealistic in our case. Just make sure you leave a long enough tail and possibly add a stopper knot as well on the free end, and it should be fine.

If you really want to make the Bowline more secure, you can also tie a Bowline with a Yosemite Finish.



I don't think the edges cutting into the rope is an issue. It won't be sharp enough to cut the rope. Anyway, the rope will get tight around the top edge of the beam regardless of which knot you use. You can't avoid it.

"Using a bowline knot to hang a heavy load can be risky because of two main factors: dynamic load changes and the knot's structure.


The Problem with Dynamic Loads


A bowline is great for static loads, which means the weight is constant and not moving. However, when a load swings back and forth the tension on the rope constantly change. This is called a dynamic load.


• Load Cycling: The swinging motion causes the rope to alternately tighten and loosen. This repeated change in tension can cause the bowline to "walk" or slip, loosening its grip.


• Shock Loading: If the swinging motion is sudden or jerky, it can create a shock load that is much greater than the static weight. This puts immense stress on the knot, increasing the chance it will fail.


The Knot's Structural Weakness


The bowline's design, while strong under steady tension, has a few key features that make it vulnerable to dynamic loads:


• No Self-Locking Action: The bowline doesn't tighten on itself the way some other knots do. When the tension is released, the knot can loosen, making it susceptible to coming undone.


• Slippage: The bowline's simple design, while easy to tie and untie, can allow for slippage under the inconsistent stress of a moving load."

 

[AreWeWinning]

"Using a bowline knot to hang a heavy load can be risky because of two main factors: dynamic load changes and the knot's structure.


The Problem with Dynamic Loads


A bowline is great for static loads, which means the weight is constant and not moving. However, when a load swings back and forth the tension on the rope constantly change. This is called a dynamic load.


• Load Cycling: The swinging motion causes the rope to alternately tighten and loosen. This repeated change in tension can cause the bowline to "walk" or slip, loosening its grip.


• Shock Loading: If the swinging motion is sudden or jerky, it can create a shock load that is much greater than the static weight. This puts immense stress on the knot, increasing the chance it will fail.


The Knot's Structural Weakness


The bowline's design, while strong under steady tension, has a few key features that make it vulnerable to dynamic loads:


• No Self-Locking Action: The bowline doesn't tighten on itself the way some other knots do. When the tension is released, the knot can loosen, making it susceptible to coming undone.


• Slippage: The bowline's simple design, while easy to tie and untie, can allow for slippage under the inconsistent stress of a moving load."

Where is this from? :) Is it AI-generated? Or if not, what's the source??

If it's from a valid source, I'm happy to comment on it and elaborate. If it's AI-generated, I just won't bother...

 

[Terrible_Life]

Where is this from? :) Is it AI-generated? Or if not, what's the source??

If it's from a valid source, I'm happy to comment on it and elaborate. If it's AI-generated, I just won't bother...

yes it is ai so what are you now gonna kill me? Why are some here on this platform so offensive literally looking for a reason to attack someone? I'm just careful to avoid to fail my attempt therefore I research everywhere + doing my tests.

 

[AreWeWinning]

AI

yes it is ai so what are you now gonna kill me? Why are some here on this platform so offensive literally looking for a reason to attack someone? I'm just careful to avoid to fail my attempt therefore I research everywhere + doing my tests.

No, you misunderstand. It's not against you. If anything, I appreciate that you clarified it's AI-generated. This way, anyone who reads it knows the source.

I read that the bowline can get open if the weight moves back and forth.

The problem is using AI and trusting it without verifying. When you say "I read that the bowline can get open if the weight moves back and forth.", it can be misleading, because it sounds like you read it in an article or it's from a legitimate source. Also, in a literal sense, that statement is not true.

Parts of that AI-generated text have some truth in them, but it lacks nuance and understanding. And other parts are confusing, just don't make sense, or are incorrect.

The reason I said "I won't bother" is that correcting and explaining everything the AI said feels exhausting. It'd mean writing a full article on the Bowline, which I don't feel like doing right now. Whereas if it had been from a human-written or human-verified article, I'd expect other parts already clarifying these statements, which I could have referred to.

Bowline

If you don't trust the Bowline and want to learn more about it, I'd suggest reading some articles on it, for example on climbing-related websites, or any general knot-related article (preferably written or at least reviewed by a human).

You can also get a piece of rope, and try it. If you tie it to something and put your weight on it, it won't come loose, even if you start swinging on the rope or move back and forth.

Alternatively, if you still don't trust it, you can always use a different knot.

Speaking of reliable sources, below are some quotes from The Ashley Book of Knots regarding the Bowline.

Captain John Smith says of the knot: "The Boling Knot is so firmely made and fastened by the bridles into the creengles of the sailes, they will breake, or the saile split before it will slip." (p. 186)

Properly tied in ordinary rope, there is little or no danger of a Bowline Knot's capsizing before the breaking point of the rope itself is reached. It is so good a knot that the sailor seldom uses any other Loop Knot aboard ship. (p. 186)

As with any other knot, it's important to tie the bowline correctly. Below are examples of the Bowline with a stopper knot, correctly tied.

Loosely tied:​

Tightened up:​

 

[Terrible_Life]

AI

No, you misunderstand. It's not against you. If anything, I appreciate that you clarified it's AI-generated. This way, anyone who reads it knows the source.



The problem is using AI and trusting it without verifying. When you say "I read that the bowline can get open if the weight moves back and forth.", it can be misleading, because it sounds like you read it in an article or it's from a legitimate source. Also, in a literal sense, that statement is not true.

Parts of that AI-generated text have some truth in them, but it lacks nuance and understanding. And other parts are confusing, just don't make sense, or are incorrect.

The reason I said "I won't bother" is that correcting and explaining everything the AI said feels exhausting. It'd mean writing a full article on the Bowline, which I don't feel like doing right now. Whereas if it had been from a human-written or human-verified article, I'd expect other parts already clarifying these statements, which I could have referred to.

Bowline

If you don't trust the Bowline and want to learn more about it, I'd suggest reading some articles on it, for example on climbing-related websites, or any general knot-related article (preferably written or at least reviewed by a human).

You can also get a piece of rope, and try it. If you tie it to something and put your weight on it, it won't come loose, even if you start swinging on the rope or move back and forth.

Alternatively, if you still don't trust it, you can always use a different knot.

Speaking of reliable sources, below are some quotes from The Ashley Book of Knots regarding the Bowline.




As with any other knot, it's important to tie the bowline correctly. Below are examples of the Bowline with a stopper knot, correctly tied.

Loosely tied:​ View attachment 180234

Tightened up:​ View attachment 180235

Thank you for this informative answer. I'm sorry that I was rude. I just want to finally hang myself and end this nightmare. I also tested everything now and my anchor point would held and nobody would interrupt me. Its just that whenever I choose a knot all of them have some negative aspects and all this preparing for ctb gets very exhausting. But again I'm sorry and thank u so much for these information . I might use the bowline combined with a stopper knot for the anchor. I'll also upholster my wood beam.