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iminhell

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Apr 21, 2026
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I have a setup that is hopefully a FSH but may end up as a PSH because the anchor point is a bit low at 7"7. I am 5'5.5". My ligature, when tightened sufficiently, slides to just above my head.
I am confident in the anchor, rope and my knots: 12 mm braided polypropylene (or 10mm: easier for me to work with), anchor hitch for anchor point, arbor knot for neck.

The 21 inch stool I was originally going with is too heavy to kick over or move easily. To ensure CTB if it becomes a protracted PSH, I cannot risk getting back on that stool somehow. I doubt I could, as I am old, weak and sick.

But I have another, lighter stool that is 24 inches high that I could never get back on.

My question is, though: will it be too hard of a drop? Could it cause even more damage to my neck than a fall from 21 inches if I somehow survive? I would not be easing off this stool as much.

Thank you @AreWeWinning @JesiBel and other kind SASU souls for considering, please.
 
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iminhell

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Apr 21, 2026
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I have a setup that is hopefully a FSH but may end up as a PSH because the anchor point is a bit low at 7"7. I am 5'5.5". My ligature, when tightened sufficiently, slides to just above my head.
I am confident in the anchor, rope and my knots: 12 mm braided polypropylene (or 10mm: easier for me to work with), anchor hitch for anchor point, arbor knot for neck.

The 21 inch stool I was originally going with is too heavy to kick over or move easily. To ensure CTB if it becomes a protracted PSH, I cannot risk getting back on that stool somehow. I doubt I could, as I am old, weak and sick.

But I have another, lighter stool that is 24 inches high that I could never get back on.

My question is, though: will it be too hard of a drop? Could it cause even more damage to my neck than a fall from 21 inches if I somehow survive? I would not be easing off this stool as much.

Thank you @AreWeWinning @JesiBel and other kind SASU souls for considering, please.
The heavier 21 inch stool is a stepping stool... easier for me to step up on, but leaves a 10" lower step close by. I think , though, I will be too weakened/damaged/disabled from the initial suspension and too close to a FSH to step back onto it.

The 24 inch lighter stool i would have to climb up on, no way of getting back onto it. But I fear it is too hard/Steep of a drop. I know @JesiBel, you have written extensively about the drop itself. Would you please say what you think about this alteration?

And @AreWeWinning I now have everything measured out with @Gustav Hartmann help. And better tying up high. I am now sure I can get this noose to death-tightness with 2 inches above my head. Adding the 9 inches from top of head to chin and throwing in and inch for stretch, I would be, worst case scenario, very high tip toes, which doesn't allow for much voluntary control on my part. Again, though, I am old and very weak.
Do you still think this is essentially a FSH?

The stool is the final concern, if you would please. Is that lower step just too close by?

Please understand my trepidation and desire for counsel, given what you know about my situation. You have been so helpful and generous.

Thank you so much.
 
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DriftingToOblivion

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Aug 10, 2026
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From what I can gather here it's different for everyone. I am afraid of a sharp drop due to the potential for pain. During my first attempt (PSH) I simply bent my knees and I was unconscious in seconds. I don't seem to have made any attempt to stand up, else I don't remember it.

When I regained consciousness I was lying on the floor. The ligature had snapped. Had I used a sturdy rope I am sure I would not be here to describe it.

I won't try again unless I am certain of my intent. I felt no pain until I regained consciousness.
 
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iminhell

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Apr 21, 2026
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From what I can gather here it's different for everyone. I am afraid of a sharp drop due to the potential for pain. During my first attempt (PSH) I simply bent my knees and I was unconscious in seconds. I don't seem to have made any attempt to stand up, else I don't remember it.

When I regained consciousness I was lying on the floor. The ligature had snapped. Had I used a sturdy rope I am sure I would not be here to describe it.

I won't try again unless I am certain of my intent. I felt no pain until I regained consciousness.
May I ask, what kind of PSH?
 
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DriftingToOblivion

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Aug 10, 2026
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Where did you put the rope above or below adam's apple ?
It was right below the jawline. I am not really sure how I could position it any other way because the weight tends to pull upward towards my jaw. And my Adam's Apple is not very pronounced.

Knot was directly in the back of my neck. Once I kneeled the pressure around my neck was intense but not painful. I could not breathe but also didn't feel an urge to breathe. The blood flow probably stopped immediately.

I have not attempted again with my full weight because I don't know if I could stand and abort. I've never been 100% sure this is what I want though I may have reached 99%.
 
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iminhell

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Apr 21, 2026
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The heavier 21 inch stool is a stepping stool... easier for me to step up on, but leaves a 10" lower step close by. I think , though, I will be too weakened/damaged/disabled from the initial suspension and too close to a FSH to step back onto it.

The 24 inch lighter stool i would have to climb up on, no way of getting back onto it. But I fear it is too hard/Steep of a drop. I know @JesiBel, you have written extensively about the drop itself. Would you please say what you think about this alteration?

And @AreWeWinning I now have everything measured out with @Gustav Hartmann help. And better tying up high. I am now sure I can get this noose to death-tightness with 2 inches above my head. Adding the 9 inches from top of head to chin and throwing in and inch for stretch, I would be, worst case scenario, very high tip toes, which doesn't allow for much voluntary control on my part. Again, though, I am old and very weak.
Do you still think this is essentially a FSH?

The stool is the final concern, if you would please. Is that lower step just too close by?

Please understand my trepidation and desire for counsel, given what you know about my situation. You have been so helpful and generous.

Thank you so much.
If you would be so kind, @JesiBel and @AreWeWinning, would you look over this final adjustment? I respect your expertise and really appreciate your generosity.

I am bumping because I am trying to decide between the two stools. I'm sure of everything else, think I will have an inch or two above floor for FSH, but aware that I might be in for a more protracted but probably lethal PSH.

My final question, then:

Is the 24 -- inch lighter stool too high, therefore too violent of a drop that it could create damage I don't know about? Like, the abrupt drop could jostle/move the knot out of place? Or cause breaks in neck, etc. if I somehow survive?

Or is the 21-inch stool that is heavier, is a stepping stool with lower step at 10inches and would therefore be easier to reach out to (but again, most likely I will be too incapacitated by that point for it to be useful for an escape) be better because it would be more gentle of a drop?

Thank you as always. You have been so helpful and kind.

(Also, I know 12mm is more comfortable than 10mm but is it just as lethal? This concerns me less than the stool issue, however. Thank you).
 
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Jun 15, 2026
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It was right below the jawline. I am not really sure how I could position it any other way because the weight tends to pull upward towards my jaw. And my Adam's Apple is not very pronounced.

Knot was directly in the back of my neck. Once I kneeled the pressure around my neck was intense but not painful. I could not breathe but also didn't feel an urge to breathe. The blood flow probably stopped immediately.

I have not attempted again with my full weight because I don't know if I could stand and abort. I've never been 100% sure this is what I want though I may have reached 99%.
Thank you for your feedback. If i may ask, did you put a lot of strengh to reach this point and blood flow stopped ? Because in my tries i had to put a lot of strengh while kneeling before any effect with the same placement of rope and knot. I ask because i am interested by the difference that made you reach it.
 
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DriftingToOblivion

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Thank you for your feedback. If i may ask, did you put a lot of strengh to reach this point and blood flow stopped ? Because in my tries i had to put a lot of strengh while kneeling before any effect with the same placement of rope and knot. I ask because i am interested by the difference that made you reach it.
I am not sure what you mean? There were no forces involved other than gravity. But as I said it may be different for everyone. The experience I had might not be the experience of others who attempt.

To be clear, I don't want anyone to attempt. Those who have I suppose had their reasons. But I would much rather help people live.
 

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