What's happening with C?

[AlreadyGone]

But there IS competition.
Firstly, A provides a pentobarbital solution called Nembutal.
Secondly, those of us wanting to end our lives do not have to do so using pentobarbital, we could use another method if we are so inclined.

But hey, he's now getting himself bad reviews and loosing customers.
There may not be many suppliers, but if you don't give customers what they pay for and be honest, the customers can simply decide not to buy :)

A doesn't sell on the darkweb or any marketplace, so he is not really competition that C would be aware of since A sells via his own channel.
I do agree with everything else you said.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

But there IS competition.
Firstly, A provides a pentobarbital solution called Nembutal.
Secondly, those of us wanting to end our lives do not have to do so using pentobarbital, we could use another method if we are so inclined.

But hey, he's now getting himself bad reviews and loosing customers.
There may not be many suppliers, but if you don't give customers what they pay for and be honest, the customers can simply decide not to buy :)

A's been treating people like shit and selectively scamming for years, but when you're the only game in town, desperate people will put up with a lot. Competition would encourage better treatment of customers or they'd just go to someone better even if they charged more, because it would be worth the peace of mind.

EM has probably kept C more honest because of the ratings and feedback. I don't recall him having any negative reviews about purity, but one person (maybe you?) has said that he had one bad one, I just don't recall it but that doesn't mean it wasn't there, I'm not at all arguing that it wasn't. I did email him through the site and he got back to me within 12 hours to confirm he doesn't ship to the country I'm in, and he didn't have to do that. He also emailed you about the delay, and then again when it was extended. A never does that. He selectively responds to initial emails. He leaves people hanging and stressed out all the time. Some he gives tracking numbers to, some he doesn't. He stops replying to most folks as soon as he gets their money and they stress until they get the N. Some folks he lies and says he didn't get the money, and makes them fight to get him to follow through. Not a compassionate guy, and doesn't care about his reputation.

 

[mpnf]

But there IS competition.
Firstly, A provides a pentobarbital solution called Nembutal.
Secondly, those of us wanting to end our lives do not have to do so using pentobarbital, we could use another method if we are so inclined.

But hey, he's now getting himself bad reviews and loosing customers.
There may not be many suppliers, but if you don't give customers what they pay for and be honest, the customers can simply decide not to buy :)

Out of desperation there will always be people willing to risk their money , even though they don't expect to receive but keep an ilussion and pray.

It's terrible.

And then in the other hand are those that got N, but not with enough purity to kill instantly or if they do they get found soon.

Don't know what's worse if the agony in life for being a vegetal or for knowing you don't even have the opportunity to try to end the pain.

 

[AlreadyGone]

The long story short. Do not order N unless you have money to lose.

 

[Deafsn0w]

I tried to buy N from C a few days ago, but he told me that N is out of stock and will be restocked in one week. Once N is in stock, I'm gonna buy it from him. I know it's risky, but I want to get it tested for purity. I have a question about Energy Control.

I checked this website and it has four types of analyses.
1. Qualitative (GC/MS or HPLC/MS)
2. MDMA and 2C-B pills (GC/MS and quantification through UV)
3. Qualitative + report
4. Quantitative + report (GC/MS or HPLC/MS)

Which one should I choose?

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Which one should I choose?

Quantitative sounds right. You want to know the percentage of N.

 

[Fedrea]

Update:
I sent C a message asking about purity.
I asked about if he could guaretee the 98% purity he told me on previous correspondence, and asked him about the 60-67% tests and the review on his profile claiming only 50%.
A direct but fair question when he's asking for $770 for 25g of a substance!

I received the following message back today:

"Dear Friend,

Do you really can find real pentobarbital from any other supplier?

Do you beleive really all of this?"


He has just lost a customer.

That's a message from someone who knows he's the only current source for powdered N.

It does read a bit like a tacit admission the N is far from pure

 

[TheQ22]

I tried to buy N from C a few days ago, but he told me that N is out of stock and will be restocked in one week. Once N is in stock, I'm gonna buy it from him. I know it's risky, but I want to get it tested for purity. I have a question about Energy Control.

I checked this website and it has four types of analyses.
1. Qualitative (GC/MS or HPLC/MS)
2. MDMA and 2C-B pills (GC/MS and quantification through UV)
3. Qualitative + report
4. Quantitative + report (GC/MS or HPLC/MS)

Which one should I choose?

Playing devils advocate - if he was just an out and out scammer he wouldn'thave said "I don't have any" he'd have said "send your money here".

 

[TheNorthernSilence]

67% is actually a disgusting level of 'purity'. It would imply that a THIRD of what you're taking isn't the substance you paid for!

[sarcasm][reality check]
Oh no! I'm in this totally legal supermarket buying my groceries and I'm only going to get like 12-17g of the product (lethal amount being 2-10g), what am I gonna do! I wonder if I'll get some bonus points credited on my bonus card from this purchase as well, so I can use them later on when I'm shopping again?
[/reality check][/sarcasm]

 

[Fedrea]

Playing devils advocate - if he was just an out and out scammer he wouldn'thave said "I don't have any" he'd have said "send your money here".

If he was an out and out scammer and didn't send then people wouldn't buy. From what I have seen on here until recently people on average seemed to prefer buying from C vs A because A won't always send or refund if it goes astray. It may well be that C thinks he can get away with cutting the substance, to make more money, because he has no competition for the powder.

Alternatively it could be cut already when he sources it

The question is will people by when it's now not clear whether there is enough being sold to kill

 

[OnlyTheWind]

If he is sourcing it from another party, there is little that can be done. If he is producing low-grade product, why not just increase prices for higher purity?

 

[Fedrea]

If he is sourcing it from another party, there is little that can be done. If he is producing low-grade product, why not just increase prices for higher purity?

Fair point. He may have found that sales fall too much

 

[BipolarGuy]

If he is sourcing it from another party, there is little that can be done. If he is producing low-grade product, why not just increase prices for higher purity?

In all fairness the price is now $770 for what is effectively 15g (at 60% purity).
That's $51.33 per gram...which isn't far off the price of gold.

The guy isn't just being massively dishonest by selling a product a third to a half unpure, but what he is selling he's charging near the price of gold for!

 

[OnlyTheWind]

I agree, but again, unless someone else comes forward with a reliable supply, we are stuck with him and A. I am leaning toward the N coming from a third party due to the quality he apparently can't control and the waiting time to re-stock.

 

[checkouttime]

There are B2B sellers in China that supply chemicals. Rather than looking for existing sellers, perhaps we could form new contacts with people who dgaf about it's controlled status? I found two potential candidates online. PM me. Would love to know your opinion.

I was looking into this. I also had a PPH that had names of some chemical companies in but, heavily obscured!! I managed to guess what it said and find some of the companies lol. I didnt contact them, and they don't appear in the PPH anymore.

A doesn't sell on the darkweb or any marketplace, so he is not really competition that C would be aware of since A sells via his own channel.
I do agree with everything else you said.

On EM their used to be other adverts for N. the problem was they had only a few people who purchased, or none at all. probably scammers. Plus i don't know if i would trust 'reviews' on the dark web either. I can't remember if it was C or another seller on EM, said don't leave bad feedback If you want a problem solving.

but then you leave positive feedback and the problem doesn't get solved.then you can even leave bad feedback. seems a bit suspicious to me!!!

If he is sourcing it from another party, there is little that can be done. If he is producing low-grade product, why not just increase prices for higher purity?

don't give them any ideas!!! Its already expensive lol

 

[BipolarGuy]

I was looking into this. I also had a PPH that had names of some chemical companies in but, heavily obscured!! I managed to guess what it said and find some of the companies lol. I didnt contact them, and they don't appear in the PPH anymore.


On EM their used to be other adverts for N. the problem was they had only a few people who purchased, or none at all. probably scammers. Plus i don't know if i would trust 'reviews' on the dark web either. I can't remember if it was C or another seller on EM, said don't leave bad feedback If you want a problem solving.

but then you leave positive feedback and the problem doesn't get solved.then you can even leave bad feedback. seems a bit suspicious to me!!!


don't give them any ideas!!! Its already expensive lol

Well a few people on whm have left feedback regarding purity, all of it negative (in terms of the purity at least). One person said it was only 50%!

 

[checkouttime]

Well a few people on whm have left feedback regarding purity, all of it negative (in terms of the purity at least). One person said it was only 50%!

their was a negative review on EM if i remember correctly. I have heard the rumours the stuffs 60-67% and i always assumed that was the reason we had take 12g of the powder.

I aint no chemist, but i imagine this stuff made if some1s garage or something. so im not surprised it aint pure!!

 

[Sarahlynn]

I've read that before, it was easy(?) to get N in Mexico by just heading there yourself, and getting it from vets.

If you had the money, is it still anywhere in the world you could travel to and just buy it easily?

I see there are generic barbiturate test kits available online, are these trustworthy, and applicable for pento?

Sorry if there is a more appropriate thread where I should ask these questions, it might already be answered. If so, pls give me a link, and I will edit this post. I was denied access to Exit.

 

[checkouttime]

I've read that before, it was easy(?) to get N in Mexico by just heading there yourself, and getting it from vets.

If you had the money, is it still anywhere in the world you could travel to and just buy it easily?

I see there are generic barbiturate test kits available online, are these trustworthy, and applicable for pento?

Sorry if there is a more appropriate thread where I should ask these questions, it might already be answered. If so, pls give me a link, and I will edit this post. I was denied access to Exit.

LIma peru, there's a street with about 20 vetinaria on it lol. LIKE fukin HEAVEN!!!

you can get a test kit on exit international.it tests for the substance and the purity

 

[AlreadyGone]

I've read that before, it was easy(?) to get N in Mexico by just heading there yourself, and getting it from vets.

If you had the money, is it still anywhere in the world you could travel to and just buy it easily?

I see there are generic barbiturate test kits available online, are these trustworthy, and applicable for pento?

Sorry if there is a more appropriate thread where I should ask these questions, it might already be answered. If so, pls give me a link, and I will edit this post. I was denied access to Exit.

No. That was years ago. LE cracked down on a lot of these places and no one would risk losing their license to sell you N no matter how much money you offer them.

 

[BipolarGuy]

their was a negative review on EM if i remember correctly. I have heard the rumours the stuffs 60-67% and i always assumed that was the reason we had take 12g of the powder.

I aint no chemist, but i imagine this stuff made if some1s garage or something. so im not surprised it aint pure!!

Your average 'A-level' student could cook up a concoction with about 90%+ purity with the right kit and instructions.
50-65% purity implies it is definitely being mixed with something post manufacture. Apparently doing this is common practice by drug dealers, however he's taking it to the extreme - a THIRD to a HALF of what you buy from him isn't actually what you're paying for!

 

[checkouttime]

Your average 'A-level' student could cook up a concoction with about 90%+ purity with the right kit and instructions.
50-65% purity implies it is definitely being mixed with something post manufacture. Apparently doing this is common practice by drug dealers, however he's taking it to the extreme - a THIRD to a HALF of what you buy from him isn't actually what you're paying for!

Of course they will but it with something. All drug dealers cut products with other substances.Its to make more money.....that is all they care about. I think a member recently bought some afghan pure heroin 58% pure. apparently people sell pure cocaine on the dark web 92% they say. now wether you get that is another thing!!!

ITS just what drug dealers do...££££££££ is all that matters.

 

[Mud.]

There are a million 100% scammers out there.
As far as we know, there are only 2 (more or less) reliable sellers.

I understand completely where you're coming from but I don't think it's a great idea to nail C to the wall publicly.
As long as the 25 grams he sends still contains a lethal dose, it can still help out people that are desperate and suffering.
No matter the price, he sells the real thing.

Let the Exit forum members test his new batch of N.
They'll come up with the test results and everybody can make up their own minds.
Of course, you could/should also test it yourself by sending a sample to Energy Control in Spain.

 

[AlreadyGone]

I remember there was a user who purchased N from another seller because C didn't ship to his country. When he had his N tested, the results indicated that it was 0% N. So he was scammed.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Interesting that my comment regarding the reply from C, where he shows total arrogance, seems to have been removed....

 

[checkouttime]

There are a million 100% scammers out there.
As far as we know, there are only 2 (more or less) reliable sellers.

I understand completely where you're coming from but I don't think it's a great idea to nail C to the wall publicly.
As long as the 25 grams he sends still contains a lethal dose, it can still help out people that are desperate and suffering.
No matter the price, he sells the real thing.

Let the Exit forum members test his new batch of N.
They'll come up with the test results and everybody can make up their own minds.
Of course, you could/should also test it yourself by sending a sample to Energy Control in Spain.

I never thought it was 100% and thought you had to take 12g because of this, personally.

I think this has come about because that member posted a thread about serving N form C,thats my theory anyway!!

C seems to be the person that guarantees you receive something,obviousley with the escrow system

 

[Mud.]

I remember there was a user who purchased N from another seller because C didn't ship to his country. When he had his N tested, the results indicated that it was 0% N. So he was scammed.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg.
Everyday people get scammed for thousands of dollars only to receive nothing.
Sometimes they even get blackmailed if they don't send more money.
It's horrible.

 

[littlelady774]

C is my only hope :(
I, and many others are counting on him.
I don't wanna have to resort to SN

 

[TheQ22]

How hard is N (or pentobarbital) to manufacture?

 

[checkouttime]

How hard is N (or pentobarbital) to manufacture?

N is not that hard to make. The problem is the lab equipment. It's very specific. Most drug dealers have labs to make meth, coke, etc. but you need different lab equipment to make N.