What would you do if vomit after ingest nembutal?

[sif]

Now I'm second guessing buying Nembutal, at first I thought this would be the end all for my situation and the most peaceful/relaxing way to go. And also it wouldn't give the impression of a struggle to whoever may find me.

But now I'm thinking there's to much left to question. I need 100% success rate, with no chance of failure.

Unfortunately the only way to have 100% success rate with no guarantee of failure means generally going with a more brutal method. Any method that involves ingested or inhaling something and waiting for the physiological effect to take place has a chance of failure. Hanging does, jumping does, if I think about it I'd say the only guaranteed method with absolutely zero chance of survival is drowning/jumping into water with a weight attached.

Anyone else?

Of course, despite that, it'd be nice if we could quantify the risk of survival for each method, at least in relation to one another, because your worry could maybe be calmed by knowing that, for example, chance of survival for methods x and y are only 0.1% when performed in z manner.

 

[dumbfarang]

i tested out 10mg last night, wasn't very pleasant but i also have some brain related issues already.

does anyone know where i can get domperidone quickly? i can't wait another 2 weeks. esp if i wait all that time and i respond badly to it too.

or is there an alternative otc antiacid regimine i can follow?

strongly considering just using my gun instead

 

[HannibalLector]

Unfortunately the only way to have 100% success rate with no guarantee of failure means generally going with a more brutal method. Any method that involves ingested or inhaling something and waiting for the physiological effect to take place has a chance of failure. Hanging does, jumping does, if I think about it I'd say the only guaranteed method with absolutely zero chance of survival is drowning/jumping into water with a weight attached.

Anyone else?

Of course, despite that, it'd be nice if we could quantify the risk of survival for each method, at least in relation to one another, because your worry could maybe be calmed by knowing that, for example, chance of survival for methods x and y are only 0.1% when performed in z manner.

There are same practical issues with the nembutal method: testing, anti-emetic, alcohol, customs.

But ultimately ...

I admire those that ctb. Its inevitably that ctb involves risk of fail. It takes courage to ctb. We should not forget that Nembutal is considered the golden standard end of life drug. Nembutal is without a doubt one of the most peaceful and reliable end of life drug available for ctb.

If cyanide or nembutal cant make us confident enough to make successful ctb what guaranties do we need for ctb? Is our scare of failure realistic? How can we overcome this obstacle? Dont forget that to be alive poses risk of get stroke (etc) that results in vegetative state for decades.

 

[HannibalLector]

We are afraid that someone legally put us in vegetative state for decades, that is a disgusting society!

If we could travel to a location where we could ctb without risk of "rescue" i think many of us would get the courage. Is there any place in Europe where our right to self determination is respected?

It would be a great relief to me if i could travel to for example Belgium and arrange with advance directive to not be "rescued". Then ctb with cyanide or nembutal in hotel room within Belgium?

 

[Arak]

There is no 100% success rate method. The closest you will get is highly destructive methods like jumping from an extreme height onto a hard surface, but even then shit happens. People have survived falls from airplanes without parachutes for example. All you can do is choose a known effective method and do everything in your power to do it "correctly".

N is close to 100 % when done correctly. There are few other methods that can approach this.
Maybe gun, when done correctly. Hanging possibly, when done correctly !
The only other method that comes to mind is jumping from a very high altitude (at least 150 metres, preferably 500 metres !) on a hard surface while making sure you don't land on your feet.

Given the circumstances, for most people N is the most reliable when executed correctly. And some obvious ones like cyanide but try to get that done !

 

[Idorus]

Is there any documented report from Exit / Dignitas / Life Circle or any other organization in Belgium or Holland where the patient had to be rushed to a hospital after vomiting?

Vomiting or not, you will fall a sleep with some of that in your body. In the Netherlands it's a regular fixture to give an injection (euthanasia) when still alive after 2 hours but in cases like this I assume they will speed up that process if needed, depending on the amount of vomit (if that ever happened, never heard it).

But reading a bit through our dutch handbook of 2008... no cases described as such ^.
They state that no one ever woke up after taking 6 gram of a barbiturate (as long as it's no matter of tolerance - stop with benzos & barbiturates 4 weeks prior - or stomach irrigation in the first hours after taking) and they're clear that 9 gram isn't necessary for a lethal dose. I mean to say, let's not forget that in fact we're overkilling ourselves with 12 gram if taking tolerance into account. And then they give an example of 161 patients all dying after taking 9 gram of pento- or seco-barbital of which only half was taking the anti emetics (meto). Two people in the group of "not-taking" vomited but died as well. Well, you can all read it for yourself .. but I only give the link of the dutch version of the book as the english version is from 2006, a bit less updated and I get lost in comparing both so you have to translate it for yourself (specifically page 105-106 I am referring to here now). https://dignifieddying.com/publicaties/NL/2008 NL Guide to a Self-Chosen and Humane Death.pdf

 

[Jupiter]

And then they give an example of 161 patients all dying after taking 9 gram of pento- or seco-barbital of which only half was taking the anti emetics (meto). Two people in the group of "not-taking" vomited but died as well.

I didn't know that there are so many who don't take meto. That was surprising to me.
I never read what P.N. said about vomiting in the PPH either. As stated above. But if it's true I think it's rather irresponsible because you don't know how much N stays in your stomach.
Thank you for looking it up.

 

[Ntothed]

Vomiting or not, you will fall a sleep with some of that in your body. In the Netherlands it's a regular fixture to give an injection (euthanasia) when still alive after 2 hours but in cases like this I assume they will speed up that process if needed, depending on the amount of vomit (if that ever happened, never heard it).

But reading a bit through our dutch handbook of 2008... no cases described as such ^.
They state that no one ever woke up after taking 6 gram of a barbiturate (as long as it's no matter of tolerance - stop with benzos & barbiturates 4 weeks prior - or stomach irrigation in the first hours after taking) and they're clear that 9 gram isn't necessary for a lethal dose. I mean to say, let's not forget that in fact we're overkilling ourselves with 12 gram if taking tolerance into account. And then they give an example of 161 patients all dying after taking 9 gram of pento- or seco-barbital of which only half was taking the anti emetics (meto). Two people in the group of "not-taking" vomited but died as well. Well, you can all read it for yourself .. but I only give the link of the dutch version of the book as the english version is from 2006, a bit less updated and I get lost in comparing both so you have to translate it for yourself (specifically page 105-106 I am referring to here now). https://dignifieddying.com/publicaties/NL/2008 NL Guide to a Self-Chosen and Humane Death.pdf

I guess my problem is that I weigh 220 pounds. From what A said in his email I would need to consume 3 bottles of N in order to be successful. That's a lot of N to keep down.

 

[Idorus]

I guess my problem is that I weigh 220 pounds. From what A said in his email I would need to consume 3 bottles of N in order to be successful. That's a lot of N to keep down.

Unbelievable. I can't believe you need that much. 220 p = 99 kilo only (not so much in dutch terms). No word about weight in relation to quantity in the book.

 

[ge0rge]

cry that i've wasted 800 dollars

 

[mattwitt]

This is a huge concern. Especially if I'm going to be chugging three bottles of N with some scotch on top. What's the solution here.

I've thought about this myself... I would have a small bowl ready and if I vomited I would try and save the vomit in a bowl and then well drink the vomit quickly as possible if I could.

 

[Arak]

@Idorus ,

My attempt from that Dutch source, google translate.

'The following is of great importance. If one is suicidal with barbiturates
the plan is also the (possible) use of benzodiazepines
should be discontinued in good time as a sedative. The reasons for this are from
technical pharmacological nature.12
The same standard advice applies to the withdrawal of benzodiazepines
from 2 + 3 weeks. The phasing out phase may also be extended
be: some people find it easier to implement 4 + 3 weeks,
because at 4 weeks the central nervous system decreases gradually
can adjust.'

About quitting benzodiazepines. These things don't always go by the book.There is no chance in hell I can reset my tolerance. i wonder what that bodes for my chance with N ?

 

[Idorus]

I guess that's why the ppeh doesn't make a point of benzo tolerance, they advice 12 g instead of 6 like the authors of this book more or less do. This apart from the fact that the more you take the more it will speed up the process of dying.

 

[Rachelinside]

I'm seriously considering just taking some calming pills and use a rope. But I don't know how to make it properly to work. . Where in here can I find such info please?

 

[Rachelinside]

I won't risk vomiting N and surviving with brain damage. Will do it soon with a rope.

 

[Arak]

But Dignitas insists on tapering off benzos first ?

 

[kkatt]

Yes I'm a disgusting old raver so have re ingested my own vomit on countless occasions.
I would always keep a plastic basin handy and just swill it down again as quickly as possible.
Bet you feel sick now?

 

[JustAboutDone]

So this thread does seem to cover the issue of benzodiazepines with 12g being deadly?

 

[Morpheus]

I am scared I might be allegic to them and the allegic reaction is very very bad

Don't worry about this. I have tried meto on 2 different occasions when I felt nauseated, since I plan on using it if all works out. It worked. No bad side effects. All I felt was slightly tired.

 

[Morpheus]

Personally I'd have a backup mixing bowl to vomit into, and re-drink it...

Thank you for saying what I was thinking.

 

[Sickman75]

Thank you for saying what I was thinking.

Are you serious? Why not just take more to make up in case you do purge so that you don't have to drink your own puke up? Not me, not in a million years or in this lifetime. Not even consider that as an option. Lmfao

 

[johnny]

Are you serious? Why not just take more to make up in case you do purge so that you don't have to drink your own puke up? Not me, not in a million years or in this lifetime. Not even consider that as an option. Lmfao

drinking more would make you more likely to vomit

 

[Sickman75]

Perhaps, but I'd take my chance that I'd have more in my system . I couldn't do that .No fucking way.

 

[lululoo]

Maybe combining N with partial (as already suggested above) or with bag over head is the way to go. I assume that the N you did ingest would be enough to make you pass out. And then the bag over head would suffocate you when passed out.

 

[J.E. Morrow]

How about using some benzocaine spray in your mouth before drinking N? It's used to relieve sore throat but it also causes anesthesia. Maybe it could help to avoid the bad taste

 

[whereisfreedom]

Is there any documented report from Exit / Dignitas / Life Circle or any other organization in Belgium or Holland where the patient had to be rushed to a hospital after vomiting?

With Life Circle and Dignitas you can choose intravenous method. They give you a intravenous access and you choose with your hands when to get start.

Don't know how it is with Exit.

 

[KupoCometh]

We are afraid that someone legally put us in vegetative state for decades, that is a disgusting society!

If we could travel to a location where we could ctb without risk of "rescue" i think many of us would get the courage. Is there any place in Europe where our right to self determination is respected?

It would be a great relief to me if i could travel to for example Belgium and arrange with advance directive to not be "rescued". Then ctb with cyanide or nembutal in hotel room within Belgium?

There is not, sadly, but if you go a couple miles into woodland, neither helicopters nor ambulances would be able to reach you quickly and if you go deep enough it might be months or years before your body is found

 

[Idorus]

So this thread does seem to cover the issue of benzodiazepines with 12g being deadly?

Yup. On behalf of Arak I asked my end-of-life counselor about cross-tolerance. I just today got an email back and to underline it with his words (google-translate);

Dear N and acquaintance,

This generally applies: the use of medicines that are not necessary can best be discontinued if it comes to life termination. That is always good.
Medications that are necessary must continue to be used (otherwise it is asking for problems).
According to an official conversion table, 2 mg of clonazepam is equivalent to 25 mg of diazepam. But this aside.

The lethal dose of Nembutal / pentobarbital is 6 grams. Two bottles therefore contain more than twice the lethal dose.
We are not aware of any data that gives rise to your knowledge to be concerned about this.
It has occurred more frequently that clients used and had to continue to use benzo's. Problems never gave that.
The pentobarbital is simply too strong. No reason for anxiety.

Sincerely,

 

[Chinaski]

Yup. On behalf of Arak I asked my end-of-life counselor about cross-tolerance. I just today got an email back and to underline it with his words (google-translate);

Dear N and acquaintance,

This generally applies: the use of medicines that are not necessary can best be discontinued if it comes to life termination. That is always good.
Medications that are necessary must continue to be used (otherwise it is asking for problems).
According to an official conversion table, 2 mg of clonazepam is equivalent to 25 mg of diazepam. But this aside.

The lethal dose of Nembutal / pentobarbital is 6 grams. Two bottles therefore contain more than twice the lethal dose.
We are not aware of any data that gives rise to your knowledge to be concerned about this.
It has occurred more frequently that clients used and had to continue to use benzo's. Problems never gave that.
The pentobarbital is simply too strong. No reason for anxiety.

Sincerely,

Probably a good idea to tag @Arak in here to be sure he gets it, otherwise he'll perhaps ask again, and be disappointed in every reply submitted which confirms the above, in several new threads

 

[JustAboutDone]

@Idorus you are a star for that, hopefully final, confirmation :-)