magician99
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This is about the afterlife, not God. The afterlife and God don't have to coexsit for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. There are people who don't believe in God at all, yet had a positive NDE. I don't know why God always gets pulled into the topic on what the afterlife could be about. Since he clearly has given no fks about me, you, or any of us for billions of years, why would that change after death? Me personally, and other atheists as well, can believe in a afterlife, without having to believe in God. Because again, many people don't believe in any Gods, yet experienced a Near Death Experience where they ended up somewhere. Every human has DMT in their brain that gets released upon the moment of death. That's a fact. Whether you believe in God or not doesn't really matter here because he has nothing to do with that.
We are literally energy who are imprisoned in a flesh body. Our consciousness is not a part of our body, it's stored in our brain but is not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.
And nothingness cannot exist, only nothing comes from nothing. If we say that something can come from nothing, and death is nothingness, then something would still happen after death.
You would have to go all the way back when asking that question. So basically, it's assumed that our universe started very small, then there was the Big Bang and the universe rapidly expanded. Stephen Hawking said that God is not needed to create the universe and I agree with him. Just because we or the universe exist/are here, doesn't mean that someone specific created us. I think you should look into the whole "one consciousness" theories.
Either way, non-existence does not exist by definition, that's the point, all that exists is existence.
Let's look at it this way: Assuming that there was nothing before you were born (which is in fact, not true), you were still born. So something came out of nothing, no? So if death leads to nothingness, the same state as the one before you were born, this means that something will happen to you again after death. That's how it goes. What it is, that's up to That's why I always point out NDEs, DMT, and the Law of Attraction, it's all about manifesting and beliefs, that's why every person has a different Near Death Experience.
1.What do you mean by "constant me"?
2.I never talked about a soul. I talked about consciousness. And the CIA Documents are proof that our consciousness is not a part of our body.
None of that is proof.
I already told you about the dozens of people who had no brain activity, yet experienced a Near Death Experience.
And the CIA documents prove that our consciousness is not a part of our brain.
Also, even after studying the brain and knowing how every cell works and how they are connected together and how millions to billions cells connect together, people are yet unable to find any evidence for how those cells can generate our thoughts, they can't find how those cells can start thinking and feeling. If I were to show you a braincell and say that it's not thinking "I'm hungry", you'd be confused because a braincell produces proteins, it doesn't produces thoughts, but we are thinking conscious beings. There is absolute no explanation or evidence for where our consciousness comes from and why we are able to think of any random thing. The fact that people with no brain activity are able to experience Near Death Experiences where they are conscious and able to tell what's going on in another room, proves my point.
First of all, I never mentioned anything about a soul in my comment. Secondly, our consciousness does NOT come from our brain, so this automically negates your point.
You getting more mature as you age/going through puberty, has nothing to do with your consciousness, but your brain. If you pour water from a cup into a bowl, it will take a different shape, but that does not mean that the water came from the cup or the bowl. A person with brain damage is going to behave differently because they have brain damage. That doesn't mean that their consciousness has changed, it means that their brain has changed. Just like your brain changes from when you're a little kid, up to an adult.
How about people who have died and have been able to experience and accurately recount what is going on other rooms or other cities at the time they are clinically dead? There is research on people who have had out of body experiences while coded. With their eyelids taped shut or having been blind from birth, they are seeing things that happen from above while they are clinically dead and being able to recount those events after they are revived. There are plenty of instances where people are clinically dead yet can describe what someone was wearing or doing when they were hundreds of miles awy. The brain runs the physical body but is only a way to broadcast consciousness from someplace else, similiar to a radio or TV set. Quantum entanglement supports this. This is why psychics and medians can pick up on the signals from others. If you damage a TV set, it might no longer be able to broadcast that signal, but it doesn't mean that the signal is no longer there.
1.I never talked about a soul in my comment and I literally said that I don't believe in God.
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Where is the scientific experimental evidence for a soul, god afterlife? I haven't seen any.
2.The largest study on the phenomenological features of NDEs, compared cross-culturally.
Moreover, very young children tend to report the same NDEs as adults, despite not being able to understand language.
So the first premise of NDEs being very dependent on the individual is just wrong. It doesn't match with the data.
Secondly, we have a lot of good reasons to think that NDEs are not hallucinations generated by a dying brain. Those reasons are mainly empirical.
"Reality" of near-death-experience memories: evidence from a psychodynamic and electrophysiological integrated study.
Characteristics of Near-Death Experiences Memories as Compared to Real and Imagined Events Memories.
TLDR: Per EEG data and psychological evaluations, NDEs are nothing like false memory reconstructions.
Furthermore, brain activity is noted to stop completely 30 seconds maximum after death, while NDEs happen many minutes after death.
brain activity after cardiac arrest:
The development of spectral EEG changes during short periods of circulatory arrest.
The impact of repeated short episodes of circulatory arrest on cerebral function.
Changes in cerebral oxygen uptake and cerebral electrical activity during defibrillation threshold testing.
veridical perceptions in a state of cardiac arrest having happened for as long as 30 minutes after the heart has stopped:
The NDEr has salient knowledge of the events that transpire during cardiac arrest.
Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands.
Studies of people who have experienced 'clinical death,' but were revived, found a common theme of a "Near Death Experience." Research has suggested that the hallucinogen DMT models this NDE very similarly, suggesting that a DMT experience is like unto the final moments of an individuals life.
DMT models and induces the Near Death Type Experiences.
Materialism has been 100% falsified by 100+ years of Quantum physics research and experimentation, including experiments that won the Nobel prize for physics in 2022. Whatever "materialistic science" is, it doesn't explain anything because materialism is false. The brain, our bodies, the entire physical universe, is an experience we are having in consciousness, not vice versa. The brain does not produce consciousness; consciousness produces the appearance and experience of having a physical brain. Much like a physical body our consciousness produces in a dream state. The death of the brain cannot end your consciousness any more than dying in a dream would end your conscious existence.
Max Planck, Nobel Prize-winning physicist and the father of quantum theory. - "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."
Werner Heisenberg - winner of the Nobel Prize in physics: "The atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts."
Pascual Jordan, physicist, early contributor to quantum theory: "Observations not only disturb what is to be measured, they produce it."
Bernard d'Espagnat, theoretical physicist: "The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."
Martin Rees, British cosmologist and astrophysicist."In the beginning there were only probabilities. The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It does not matter that the observers turned several billion years later. The universe exists because we are aware of it."
I'll bring this up again: The afterlife and God don't have to coexist for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. There are people who don't believe in God at all, yet had a positive NDE.
Read this and this.
NDes exist and they vary from person to person. Some say that their NDE was peaceful, some say that it was scary, some say that it was nothing. It's different for everyone. And I have a hard time believing that every person who talked about their NDE is just some attention-seeking person.
"A highly-cited 2018 study provided participants with low doses of the hallucinogenic drug N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in a controlled setting, then asked them to describe their experience. Their descriptions were uncannily similar to collected descriptions of NDEs. It turns out that DMT is widely present in the mammalian brain. In 2019, researchers at the University of Michigan not only found the compound in various locations in rat brains, but they also discovered neurons with the two enzymes required to make it. Moreover, the neurons seem to produce DMT at levels comparable to those of other key neurotransmitters like dopamine, which drives pleasure, and serotonin, which stabilizes mood. DMT has also been found in small amounts in human brain tissue and larger amounts in cerebrospinal fluid, a clear fluid that surrounds the brain and spinal cord."
DMT seemingly floods the human brain at death and causes vivid dreams and NDEs. So if death is some sort of DMT trip we don't come back from, then a afterlife could exist. So what awaits us after death is either what we believe happens (this would explain why NDEs vary from person to person), or nothingness. Even if it turns out to be nothingness, we can't experience that either way, so there is nothing to be concerned about. You would never be able to tell what's going on, it would be like sleeping without ever waking up.
I don't believe in God, Jesus, or any religion, but these NDEs are real. If someone who is catholic and believes in God, thinks that they'll go to heaven after death, and sees a heaven-like place during their NDE, doesn't this mean that they manifested it? If we go by this fact and use the Law of Attraction here, this means that whatever YOU believe happens after death, will happen to YOU. You believe in nothingness? Then you'll end up in a black void. You believe in God? Then you'll end up in heaven. You believe in Narnia or whatever fictional place you want to be in? You'll end up there. That's the only logical way I can think of how all of this works.
If the universe was perfectly fine without us for 14 billion years then why are we here out-of-nowhere? Coincidence?
DMT is in our brain. Coincidence?
DMT takes you to a different reality. Coincidence?
DMT reportedly activates in the brain when we die. Coincidence?
The energy in us cannot be destroyed so where does it go when we die? Coincidence?
We don't know where our consciousness comes from. But there are clearly many things in life that science cannot explain.
Our brain releases huge amounts of DMT as we die.
I'll point out what I said above:
From a person who takes DMT: "Studies shows dimethyltryptamine is being produced in the body. They have found traces of it in blood and urine of deceased individuals. Some even speculate it's being produced in the pineal gland (Although it's just speculation). And scientists have found that larger amounts is being released when you die, or have a near death experience. As we know DMT is a highly psychedelic experience, and will literally take you to another planet. Some even say it's being produced in small amounts when you dream (although that too, is just speculation). But you could say a DMT trip is more like a very, very realistic dream. My theory goes on about DMT being the afterlife itself. The brain actively stays alive for about six minutes after the heart stops. And as we know, time acts very differently in a dream state. Now with DMT being completely different than a dream state, time could also be very different. Six minutes could essentially turn into forever, (if you're not going to wake up again) and your entire life could flash before your eyes in just a matter of seconds. So what if the DMT realm is actually the afterlife. And what people see when they have a near death experience, is actually due to DMT."
Of course, this is just a speculation this person has. But another person then said: "As someone who has broken through like to the core I can assure you 6 minutes is forever, one nanosecond becomes infinity. The best way I can explain it is like a sound will get caught, imagine your game freezing on a sound. Before it shuts down it makes that same repeating sound. That will happen, and you'll get caught in one spot, but in reality it's not just one spot it's infinite spots. It's infinite time, the clock never has to move you can feel suspended through dimensions this way and it's usually a very good and profound feeling. Gives you time to look around when a nanosecond becomes infinity."
When we die, our brain releases huge amounts of DMT. NDEs take people to all kinds of places, every near death experience is different. While one person is taken to a heaven-like place where they feel loved, the other person is taken to a black void where they feel nothing, and then there's another person who is taken to a place where they reunite with their loved ones instead. It varies from person to person. Our brain releasing DMT as we die=we go where we believe where we go. You believe there's no afterlife? You go into a black void of nothingness. A person believes they will be reunited with their loved ones? That will happen. That's again, why NDEs vary from person to person and why even people who don't believe in God can have NDEs.
Official CIA documents on human consciousness.
1.Again, I never mentioned anything about a soul in my comment. I was talking about consciousness. Which is not a part of our body.
2.I never said that God exists and this is about the afterlife, not God. The afterlife and God don't have to coexsit for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. There are people who don't believe in God at all, yet had a positive NDE.
3.Ghosts? There are thousands of people who claim to have had a paranormal experience where they saw or heard something while they were alone. Me personally, I'm neutral. Because even if Ghosts exist, we wouldn't be able to see them, they would roam around in the astral realm. If someone astral projects, would you be able to see them floating around in the air? No. So I don't see why you would be able to see ghosts in the physical realm/the reality we live in. Especially if we go by the 10 dimensions theory.
How would you know if consciousness suffers or gets bored for a trillion years?
Nobody. Consciousness just is, there doesn't have to be a creator for any of this. The fact that we are here is strange enough.
I get where you are coming from. I myself wish for peace. But it's important to remember that everyone shares a different opinion. There are people who genuinely enjoy live and have never suffered as much as we did. There are people who have never thought about suicide and think that anyone who thinks the way we do, is crazy. It is how it is, every person is different and shares a different belief.
I formed my opinion after researching NDEs, DMT, Astral Projection, Quantum Immortality, and the Law of Attraction for a while. I'm not religious, but re-reading my comment should help you understand my opinion. When we die, our brain releases huge amounts of DMT. Near Death Experienecs take people to all kinds of places, every near death experience is different. While one person is taken to a heaven-like place where they feel loved, the other person is taken to a black void where they feel nothing, and then there's another person who is taken to a place where they reunite with their loved ones instead. It varies from person to person. Our brain releasing DMT as we die=we go where we believe where we go. You believe there's no afterlife? You go into a black void of nothingness. A person believes they will be reunited with their loved ones? That will happen. That's again, why NDEs vary from person to person and why even people who don't believe in God can have NDEs. That's also why people who clinically dead and had no brain activity, were still able to see and move around while they are having a out of body experience, which is essentially what Astral Projection is like.
Considering that:
- NDEs can take catholic people and atheists to all kinds of places
- The effects of DMT are similar to NDEs
- Our brain releases a large amount of DMT as we die
If you believe that "_____" happens after death, then it happens to you.
If you believe that you'll go to "_____" after death, then that's where you will go.
You can believe in whatever you want to believe. Many people and I myself have experienced things you would never believe, and I'm sure that there are things you experienced that I wouldn't be able to believe. Everyone has their own beliefs and that's why Near Death Experiences are different for everyone.
And I totally understand that as I myself desire peace. But just because we desire peace, doesn't mean that what happens after death for everyone is nothingness. That's not how it works. Reality and fact is tied to perception. Just like how all living beings experience reality differently, the same would go for what happens after death, as the Near Death Experiences prove this. I've read many NDE stories of people who attempted to ctb and they all were different. Positive, neutral, negative, it varies from person to person. There are countless of NDEs stories of people who despire life and themselves, yet felt loved during their Near Death Experience. I don't think that logical thinking can apply to whatever happens after we die. Just like how many suicidal people feel depressed when awake but are able to experience happiness during dreams, a afterlife does not automically mean=more suffering. It's important to keep an open mind to the possibilities. When you base your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to the possibilities of a new reality. For example, you can't "see" people who astral project but that doesn't mean that they aren't. So just because we suffered during this life, doesn't mean that we will experience suffering in the afterlife. I don't see why it would go like that. After all, once you die, your consciousness isn't imprisoned in this flesh body anymore, and you could do whatever you want, just like how people who astral project can go wherever they want, for example.
Nothing ever non-exists. Something must exist to have a property or state. And non-existence is not a property or state anyway, that's just a factor of the way we think. To say that something doesn't does not mean there is an entity with a property or state of non-existence. It just means that you have an idea that doesn't correspond to sonething in the world.
Someone might say "There is nothig there" but they aren't referring to a concept of a proper "nothing", they are actually invoking a generalized form of absence. And absence implies exclusionary constraints (for example, spatio-temporal coordinates). Something we talk about the "non-existence" of a person or being but we only mean that a particular configuration of matter has changed forms. But that form still exists, both as a possible configuration and recorded as stored information, and the matter that constituted that form still exists as well. It's a generalized version of absence that is being invoked.
The mind believes that it was "born" into the world and that it will eventually "die" out of it. Therefore, it can imagine it's own non-existence by seeing the world full of "others" who continue to go on without "me". But "non-existence" is an assumption of the imagination. If non-existence were a fact, a "mind" could never know it beause "I (the mind) would not be present to experience "my" absense.
Nothing comes from nothing, yet we are here. Nonexistence is not a thing.
Now, your belief is completely okay and valid. You want rest and I get it. I'm 99% certain that what you believe happens after death, will happen to you, just like how what I want to believe happens after death, will happen to me. The same goes for everyone else. You want eternal rest, I want some rest, others want to reunite with their loved ones, others want to do whatever they want, etc. The afterlife concept is different in everyone's eyes.
I never said that. And I don't know why you think that someone would suffer for trillions of years. There are people who suffered horrible childhood abuse, much worse than anyone could imagine, yet were able to recover. Just because I or you want to ctb because of what happend to us, doesn't mean that a abuse victim is beyond recovery or can't get to a better state of mind where they find happiness.
That has nothing to do with consciousness. Everyone is conscious. I'll repeat what I said above: If you pour water from a cup into a bowl, it will take a different shape, but that does not mean that the water came from the cup or the bowl. A person with brain damage is going to behave differently because they have brain damage. That doesn't mean that their consciousness has changed, it means that their brain has changed. Just like your brain changes from when you're a little kid, up to an adult.
Also, there is a difference between "consciousness" and "personality". Someone who does drugs or alcohol, is conscious. Yes, their personality changes, but they are conscious. Who says that your personality is bound to your consciousness? Have you never heard of "ego death"? While I did say and prove that consciousness is not a part of our body, I never said that our personality is as well. That's a assumption. But considering that NDEs varies from person to person, it can be highly assumed that your personality somewhat sticks with you even when you have no brain activity.
That's okay. You believe in whatever you believe in, and I believe in whatever I believe in. The same goes for everyone else. I don't know why you mentioned "God, Reincarnation, Magic, Supernatural" though. I never mentioned any of that stuff. Unless you think that Astral Projection, Dreaming, etc is also magic and supernatural even though every single human on this earth is dreaming every day? Near Death Experiences and the CIA Documents about Consciousness are very much real, in fact.
??? Well that's my 2 brain cells fried for the weekend!!!
