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Davey36000

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They are not hallucinations.
Almost all of them have very similar or equal facts of what happens:

1. Leaving one's body and seeing oneself as light or just "consciousness"
2. Meeting spirit guide/guardian angel and/or deceased relatives
3. Reaching a point of no-return where if they continue, they can't come back to Earth

Among that, other very common factors:

1. The experience seems more 'real' than reality itself as we experience
2. Stuff like 360º vision, telepathic communication
3. Expansion of consciousness; being able to know anything almost instantly
4. Life reviews (they are all very similar reports, where you re-live your life, from your perspective as well the perspective of other people who interacted with you, and the exchange of emotions between people.)
5. Unconditonal love and feelings of happiness that can't be found here on this planet; think infinite happiness (unless maybe you're an enlightened being or something)

And many other similarities.
 
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No one knows, everything floating around are just theories. All I hope for is to not be reincarnated; I can't do all of this again.
 
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What do I believe happens? The Bible tells me what happens. Have I experienced it myself? No.
 
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we can debate as much as we want. But no one alive knows. There is only theories, stories and assumptions bases on beliefs. After death a lot of things could happen maybe we born again, maybe we cease to exist and only had one opportunity, maybe there is a hell or heaven, maybe we wake up at another world or galaxy/planet etc. We may one to believe one or the other but the truth we only find out once we cross. I personally lean more towards the spiritual ones. I have always lived paranormal things like hearing seeing ghosts , feeling dead family come to visit, among other stuff so i highly believe they turn into a form of spirit i am almost certain because i have seen/lived it but cant certify it of course.
 
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Ofc none of us really knows what happens when we die. I personally believe that what we call "soul or in other words energy of life" will reunite with the quabntum vaccum energy that is everywhere and propbably throughout the known universe. It can be nothingness or just energy. I will know it after either natural death or CTB.
 
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Think what you believe—whatever makes your comfortable in your decision.
 
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There is no afterlife nor reincarnation only non-existence forever after Death
There is no such thing as non-existence. If non-existence existed, then it would always be. Existence cannot come out of non-existence. Non-existence is a logical contradiction. Nothing comes out of nothing, yet here we are. It is logically incoherent to assert that things that exist have precedents that are non-existent.
The only way to figure the truth is to reason from first principles. The only things that are true are those that can be tested or that you know are absolutely true. Then reason up from those first principles.

some of my first principles for me are : 1. I and every human will die anyway no matter what . 2. Pain and suffering are very bad unwanted

It's hard to find other things that are objective truths like those so I try to base all things off those or in relation to those 2.

I think most people would agree with these first 2 principles that they are true. but imo not much else is objective truth.

In this kind of thinking I assume everything is false until I can test it or provide overwhelming evidence over years of seeing evidence and testing what i can for it to be true.

And imo it's such an evil society that these 2 truths are very rarely talked about as if they were trying to be hidden. And of course what I said about first principles is also hidden. wouldn't that be one of the first lessons in first grade grammer school?

For example religions and tales about the afterlife can't be true because there are several vague ideas from different people and religions about what they are and no details no evidence. the only "proof" is what other humans have said or written but they show no experimental proof for what they say only "believe me because i said it" . so why would i believe what someone else says with no proof not based even on any tech or science?

As we can see just from this one thread humans have several different beliefs about the afterlife or that there isn't one.

Humans have very many different beliefs about religions, philosophy , procreation , politics and many other topics. All these contradicting beliefs can't all be correct especially about what happens after death science says one thing , evolutionary evidence says another , religions say others things etc.

Where did all these millions of different beliefs originate? Each human is an individual and different with different beliefs on many things. They didn't come from the genes because a baby and child knows nothing not even how to speak . Most of what a human thinks or believes is learned imo, taught by society culture others experiences the movies tv etc.
It is exactly because humans have several different beliefs about the afterlife. There's a natural law of attraction involved that has to do with the ontological idealist nature of existence. Essentially and in general, when you die you find yourself in a place that resonates with your inner characteristics and your deeply held beliefs, which are mostly in the subconscious.
This is why most people who die or have NDEs report that it is like "coming home;" they find themselves in a community/location/environment that resonates with who they are on the inside. This is a natural affinity and attraction that sorts our locations out, so to speak.

Materialism has been 100% falsified by 100+ years of Quantum physics research and experimentation, including experiments that won the Nobel prize for physics in 2022. Whatever "materialistic science" is, it doesn't explain anything because materialism is false. The brain, our bodies, the entire physical universe, is an experience we are having in consciousness, not vice versa. The brain does not produce consciousness; consciousness produces the appearance and experience of having a physical brain. Much like a physical body our consciousness produces in a dream state. The death of the brain cannot end your consciousness any more than dying in a dream would end your conscious existence.

Max Planck, Nobel Prize-winning physicist and the father of quantum theory. - "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."

Werner Heisenberg - winner of the Nobel Prize in physics: "The atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts."

Pascual Jordan, physicist, early contributor to quantum theory: "Observations not only disturb what is to be measured, they produce it."

Bernard d'Espagnat, theoretical physicist: "The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."

Martin Rees, British cosmologist and astrophysicist."In the beginning there were only probabilities. The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It does not matter that the observers turned several billion years later. The universe exists because we are aware of it."

I'll bring this up again: The afterlife and God don't have to coexist for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. There are people who don't believe in God at all, yet had a positive NDE.

Read this and this.

NDes exist and they vary from person to person. Some say that their NDE was peaceful, some say that it was scary, some say that it was nothing. It's different for everyone. And I have a hard time believing that every person who talked about their NDE is just some attention-seeking person.

"A highly-cited 2018 study provided participants with low doses of the hallucinogenic drug N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in a controlled setting, then asked them to describe their experience. Their descriptions were uncannily similar to collected descriptions of NDEs. It turns out that DMT is widely present in the mammalian brain. In 2019, researchers at the University of Michigan not only found the compound in various locations in rat brains, but they also discovered neurons with the two enzymes required to make it. Moreover, the neurons seem to produce DMT at levels comparable to those of other key neurotransmitters like dopamine, which drives pleasure, and serotonin, which stabilizes mood. DMT has also been found in small amounts in human brain tissue and larger amounts in cerebrospinal fluid, a clear fluid that surrounds the brain and spinal cord."

DMT seemingly floods the human brain at death and causes vivid dreams and NDEs. So if death is some sort of DMT trip we don't come back from, then a afterlife could exist. So what awaits us after death is either what we believe happens (this would explain why NDEs vary from person to person), or nothingness. Even if it turns out to be nothingness, we can't experience that either way, so there is nothing to be concerned about. You would never be able to tell what's going on, it would be like sleeping without ever waking up.

I don't believe in God, Jesus, or any religion, but these NDEs are real. If someone who is catholic and believes in God, thinks that they'll go to heaven after death, and sees a heaven-like place during their NDE, doesn't this mean that they manifested it? If we go by this fact and use the Law of Attraction here, this means that whatever YOU believe happens after death, will happen to YOU. You believe in nothingness? Then you'll end up in a black void. You believe in God? Then you'll end up in heaven. You believe in Narnia or whatever fictional place you want to be in? You'll end up there. That's the only logical way I can think of how all of this works.

If the universe was perfectly fine without us for 14 billion years then why are we here out-of-nowhere? Coincidence?

DMT is in our brain. Coincidence?

DMT takes you to a different reality. Coincidence?

DMT reportedly activates in the brain when we die. Coincidence?

The energy in us cannot be destroyed so where does it go when we die? Coincidence?

We don't know where our consciousness comes from. But there are clearly many things in life that science cannot explain.

Our brain releases huge amounts of DMT as we die.

I'll point out what I said above:

From a person who takes DMT: "Studies shows dimethyltryptamine is being produced in the body. They have found traces of it in blood and urine of deceased individuals. Some even speculate it's being produced in the pineal gland (Although it's just speculation). And scientists have found that larger amounts is being released when you die, or have a near death experience. As we know DMT is a highly psychedelic experience, and will literally take you to another planet. Some even say it's being produced in small amounts when you dream (although that too, is just speculation). But you could say a DMT trip is more like a very, very realistic dream. My theory goes on about DMT being the afterlife itself. The brain actively stays alive for about six minutes after the heart stops. And as we know, time acts very differently in a dream state. Now with DMT being completely different than a dream state, time could also be very different. Six minutes could essentially turn into forever, (if you're not going to wake up again) and your entire life could flash before your eyes in just a matter of seconds. So what if the DMT realm is actually the afterlife. And what people see when they have a near death experience, is actually due to DMT."

Of course, this is just a speculation this person has. But another person then said: "As someone who has broken through like to the core I can assure you 6 minutes is forever, one nanosecond becomes infinity. The best way I can explain it is like a sound will get caught, imagine your game freezing on a sound. Before it shuts down it makes that same repeating sound. That will happen, and you'll get caught in one spot, but in reality it's not just one spot it's infinite spots. It's infinite time, the clock never has to move you can feel suspended through dimensions this way and it's usually a very good and profound feeling. Gives you time to look around when a nanosecond becomes infinity."

When we die, our brain releases huge amounts of DMT. NDEs take people to all kinds of places, every near death experience is different. While one person is taken to a heaven-like place where they feel loved, the other person is taken to a black void where they feel nothing, and then there's another person who is taken to a place where they reunite with their loved ones instead. It varies from person to person. Our brain releasing DMT as we die=we go where we believe where we go. You believe there's no afterlife? You go into a black void of nothingness. A person believes they will be reunited with their loved ones? That will happen. That's again, why NDEs vary from person to person and why even people who don't believe in God can have NDEs.

Considering that:
I'm certain that Law of Attraction is the answer to all of this. The people who believe that they will meet their loved ones after they die, saw their loved ones in their Near Death Experience, and the people who believe that nothing happens after they die, were in a black void in their Near Death Experience.

If you believe that "_____" happens after death, then it happens to you.

If you believe that you'll go to "_____" after death, then that's where you will go.

I stand by that point. Either way, it's a win-win for me.

But anyways, the reason why there are so many different beliefs in what the afterlife could be and why Near Death Experiences vary from person to person, is because you go to whatever place you believe you will go.

nde are just hallucinations
Low oxygen levels in the blood (hypoxia or anoxia) have been hypothesized to induce hallucinations and hence possibly explain NDEs. This is because low oxygen levels characterize life-threatening situations and also by the apparent similarities between NDEs and G-force induced loss of consciousness (G-LOC) episodes.

Wrong.

Your opinion that NDEs are just hallucinations is a common myth. Studies on NDEs show extreme cross-cultural similarities. An atheist in America and a Muslim in Iran will tend to see the same white light of unconditional love.

The largest study on the phenomenological features of NDEs, compared cross-culturally.

Moreover, very young children tend to report the same NDEs as adults, despite not being able to understand language.

So the first premise of NDEs being very dependent on the individual is just wrong. It doesn't match with the data.

Secondly, we have a lot of good reasons to think that NDEs are not hallucinations generated by a dying brain. Those reasons are mainly empirical.

"Reality" of near-death-experience memories: evidence from a psychodynamic and electrophysiological integrated study.

Characteristics of Near-Death Experiences Memories as Compared to Real and Imagined Events Memories.

TLDR: Per EEG data and psychological evaluations, NDEs are nothing like false memory reconstructions.

Furthermore, brain activity is noted to stop completely 30 seconds maximum after death, while NDEs happen many minutes after death.

brain activity after cardiac arrest:

The development of spectral EEG changes during short periods of circulatory arrest.

The impact of repeated short episodes of circulatory arrest on cerebral function.

Changes in cerebral oxygen uptake and cerebral electrical activity during defibrillation threshold testing.

veridical perceptions in a state of cardiac arrest having happened for as long as 30 minutes after the heart has stopped:

The NDEr has salient knowledge of the events that transpire during cardiac arrest.

Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands.

Studies of people who have experienced 'clinical death,' but were revived, found a common theme of a "Near Death Experience." Research has suggested that the hallucinogen DMT models this NDE very similarly, suggesting that a DMT experience is like unto the final moments of an individuals life.

DMT models and induces the Near Death Type Experiences.

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Please read this.

Like DMT, NDEs vary from person to person. I'll point this page out where all kinds of NDEs stories are. Near Death Experiences aren't the same for every person. One person went through a tunnel and ended up in a place where they felt loved, the other person reunited with their loved ones, another person ended up in a black void and felt nothing, and then there's another person who like you described, was able to go through the walls of their hospital, and be able to hear and tell what happend in another place (which sounds like astral projection). It's different for everyone. Every NDE is different, just like every DMT trip is different for everyone.

If you think that NDEs are just hallucinations, how come a dying brain is able to recall actions and words that are said in other rooms where the individual decided to leave and wander? For example, a story on how a died and went in the waiting room of e.r. where she saw her father buy a candy bar from the vending machine and thought it was funny since he was always against eating sugar, etc. She confronted him once she came back and he told her that there is no way she could have known that.

There are a lot of examples of people being "out of their body", leaving the area and see what's going on in another room/place. These are confirmed.

There are some researchers who have been collecting and quantifying the data of Near Death Experiences (NDEs) for years now. They have created 6 categories/stages of NDEs that generally sum up most experiences.
  1. The hellish experience. It can be either a mildly uncomfortable experience, a cold, dark, damp, loveless experience, or the traditional flames and devil experience. Sometimes say they are drawn out of this realm by an indescribable love. Very few people recount experiencing this.
  2. There is another type of experience where one has an out-of-body perspective, and can travel freely. Often times this happens in an operation room where one's heart has stopped and the doctors are working to revive the patient. The individual many be able to go to other rooms in the hospital, or travel across the country. If they remain in the hospital room, they do not always recognize their own bodies on the table, and can feel confused. (quick note: there have been a surge in NDEs since the 1960s when resuscitation techniques became more advanced.) This one sounds like Astral Projection, which is in fact, real. You can try it yourself. Look for one of these "Binaural Beats Astral Projection" videos on Youtube and find the right frequency that works for you. Maybe 432 Hz or 528 Hz. I sometimes use binaural beats to lucid dream and they work.
  3. There is another experience of blissful, warm darkness that just feels comfortable. It is indescribable nothingness, often without memory or any inkling of consciousness at all.
  4. The next experience is similar to the last, but with an additional light that is usually far away, that emanates warmth and love and forgiveness. The individual is either attracted to this light and goes toward it (or the light itself comes to the person.) It allegedly gets better and better the closer one draws to the light, and so they continue. (Obviously this is where the phrase "go/don't go to the light" likely comes from).
  5. This experience continues where the last leaves off, where the person has broken through the light (to the other side). They now are experiencing a love/compassion/forgiveness/state of consciousness that is unlike anything they can put into words. Sometimes they encounter a sort of guide (this could be a loving anonymous being, or a religious figure (if they experience this, it is sometimes linked to their beliefs on Earth, but not always.))# This experience is sometimes accompanied by the most beautiful music. This being may present them to loved ones, or show them a life review (this is a very common experience of those who have had NDEs.) It may be at this point where the NDEer decides, or is told to return to their body (there is sometimes a choice) because they have "work left to accomplish in their lives." And I put that last part in quotes because of how many people cite that as their reasons on coming back.
  6. The final experience goes beyond the previous state of love and consciousness and is experienced only by a relatively few people compared to the previous others. They say that they experience a becoming one with the universe/universal energy that unites everything/God. They have stated that they understand everything; that knowledge is known just by thinking of a topic.
Still don't believe me?

Official CIA documents on human consciousness.

In short terms: Consciousness is not a part of our body at all, it's stored in our brain, but not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And most likely after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.

They found the missing page as well through a FOIA request, which is really the icing on the cake.
 
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Nobody knows so stop asking this repetitive question every damn week.
 
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Nobody knows so stop asking this repetitive question every damn week.
YAY! If the search function was used there'd be tons of threads where this has been discussed without the need for a new one ...
 
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There is no such thing as non-existence.
the fact or state of not existing is clear a thing one second your here the next your gone
Nothing comes out of nothing
everything comes out of nothing

In the quantum realm, something really can emerge from nothing. In theory, the Schwinger effect states that in the presence of strong enough electric fields, (charged) particles and their antiparticle counterparts will be ripped from the quantum vacuum, empty space itself, to become real

How the Universe really makes something from nothing

 
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There is no such thing as non-existence. If non-existence existed, then it would always be. Existence cannot come out of non-existence. Non-existence is a logical contradiction. Nothing comes out of nothing, yet here we are. It is logically incoherent to assert that things that exist have precedents that are non-existent.

It is exactly because humans have several different beliefs about the afterlife. There's a natural law of attraction involved that has to do with the ontological idealist nature of existence. Essentially and in general, when you die you find yourself in a place that resonates with your inner characteristics and your deeply held beliefs, which are mostly in the subconscious.
This is why most people who die or have NDEs report that it is like "coming home;" they find themselves in a community/location/environment that resonates with who they are on the inside. This is a natural affinity and attraction that sorts our locations out, so to speak.

Materialism has been 100% falsified by 100+ years of Quantum physics research and experimentation, including experiments that won the Nobel prize for physics in 2022. Whatever "materialistic science" is, it doesn't explain anything because materialism is false. The brain, our bodies, the entire physical universe, is an experience we are having in consciousness, not vice versa. The brain does not produce consciousness; consciousness produces the appearance and experience of having a physical brain. Much like a physical body our consciousness produces in a dream state. The death of the brain cannot end your consciousness any more than dying in a dream would end your conscious existence.

Max Planck, Nobel Prize-winning physicist and the father of quantum theory. - "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."

Werner Heisenberg - winner of the Nobel Prize in physics: "The atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts."

Pascual Jordan, physicist, early contributor to quantum theory: "Observations not only disturb what is to be measured, they produce it."

Bernard d'Espagnat, theoretical physicist: "The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."

Martin Rees, British cosmologist and astrophysicist."In the beginning there were only probabilities. The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It does not matter that the observers turned several billion years later. The universe exists because we are aware of it."

I'll bring this up again: The afterlife and God don't have to coexist for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. There are people who don't believe in God at all, yet had a positive NDE.

Read this and this.

NDes exist and they vary from person to person. Some say that their NDE was peaceful, some say that it was scary, some say that it was nothing. It's different for everyone. And I have a hard time believing that every person who talked about their NDE is just some attention-seeking person.

"A highly-cited 2018 study provided participants with low doses of the hallucinogenic drug N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in a controlled setting, then asked them to describe their experience. Their descriptions were uncannily similar to collected descriptions of NDEs. It turns out that DMT is widely present in the mammalian brain. In 2019, researchers at the University of Michigan not only found the compound in various locations in rat brains, but they also discovered neurons with the two enzymes required to make it. Moreover, the neurons seem to produce DMT at levels comparable to those of other key neurotransmitters like dopamine, which drives pleasure, and serotonin, which stabilizes mood. DMT has also been found in small amounts in human brain tissue and larger amounts in cerebrospinal fluid, a clear fluid that surrounds the brain and spinal cord."

DMT seemingly floods the human brain at death and causes vivid dreams and NDEs. So if death is some sort of DMT trip we don't come back from, then a afterlife could exist. So what awaits us after death is either what we believe happens (this would explain why NDEs vary from person to person), or nothingness. Even if it turns out to be nothingness, we can't experience that either way, so there is nothing to be concerned about. You would never be able to tell what's going on, it would be like sleeping without ever waking up.

I don't believe in God, Jesus, or any religion, but these NDEs are real. If someone who is catholic and believes in God, thinks that they'll go to heaven after death, and sees a heaven-like place during their NDE, doesn't this mean that they manifested it? If we go by this fact and use the Law of Attraction here, this means that whatever YOU believe happens after death, will happen to YOU. You believe in nothingness? Then you'll end up in a black void. You believe in God? Then you'll end up in heaven. You believe in Narnia or whatever fictional place you want to be in? You'll end up there. That's the only logical way I can think of how all of this works.

If the universe was perfectly fine without us for 14 billion years then why are we here out-of-nowhere? Coincidence?

DMT is in our brain. Coincidence?

DMT takes you to a different reality. Coincidence?

DMT reportedly activates in the brain when we die. Coincidence?

The energy in us cannot be destroyed so where does it go when we die? Coincidence?

We don't know where our consciousness comes from. But there are clearly many things in life that science cannot explain.

Our brain releases huge amounts of DMT as we die.

I'll point out what I said above:

From a person who takes DMT: "Studies shows dimethyltryptamine is being produced in the body. They have found traces of it in blood and urine of deceased individuals. Some even speculate it's being produced in the pineal gland (Although it's just speculation). And scientists have found that larger amounts is being released when you die, or have a near death experience. As we know DMT is a highly psychedelic experience, and will literally take you to another planet. Some even say it's being produced in small amounts when you dream (although that too, is just speculation). But you could say a DMT trip is more like a very, very realistic dream. My theory goes on about DMT being the afterlife itself. The brain actively stays alive for about six minutes after the heart stops. And as we know, time acts very differently in a dream state. Now with DMT being completely different than a dream state, time could also be very different. Six minutes could essentially turn into forever, (if you're not going to wake up again) and your entire life could flash before your eyes in just a matter of seconds. So what if the DMT realm is actually the afterlife. And what people see when they have a near death experience, is actually due to DMT."

Of course, this is just a speculation this person has. But another person then said: "As someone who has broken through like to the core I can assure you 6 minutes is forever, one nanosecond becomes infinity. The best way I can explain it is like a sound will get caught, imagine your game freezing on a sound. Before it shuts down it makes that same repeating sound. That will happen, and you'll get caught in one spot, but in reality it's not just one spot it's infinite spots. It's infinite time, the clock never has to move you can feel suspended through dimensions this way and it's usually a very good and profound feeling. Gives you time to look around when a nanosecond becomes infinity."

When we die, our brain releases huge amounts of DMT. NDEs take people to all kinds of places, every near death experience is different. While one person is taken to a heaven-like place where they feel loved, the other person is taken to a black void where they feel nothing, and then there's another person who is taken to a place where they reunite with their loved ones instead. It varies from person to person. Our brain releasing DMT as we die=we go where we believe where we go. You believe there's no afterlife? You go into a black void of nothingness. A person believes they will be reunited with their loved ones? That will happen. That's again, why NDEs vary from person to person and why even people who don't believe in God can have NDEs.

Considering that:
I'm certain that Law of Attraction is the answer to all of this. The people who believe that they will meet their loved ones after they die, saw their loved ones in their Near Death Experience, and the people who believe that nothing happens after they die, were in a black void in their Near Death Experience.

If you believe that "_____" happens after death, then it happens to you.

If you believe that you'll go to "_____" after death, then that's where you will go.

I stand by that point. Either way, it's a win-win for me.

But anyways, the reason why there are so many different beliefs in what the afterlife could be and why Near Death Experiences vary from person to person, is because you go to whatever place you believe you will go.


Wrong. Studies of people who have experienced 'clinical death,' but were revived, found a common theme of a "Near Death Experience." Research has suggested that the hallucinogen DMT models this NDE very similarly, suggesting that a DMT experience is like unto the final moments of an individuals life.

DMT models and induces the Near Death Type Experiences.

MDbKeHJ.png


I9SPZrl.png


Please read this.

Like DMT, NDEs vary from person to person. I'll point this page out where all kinds of NDEs stories are. Near Death Experiences aren't the same for every person. One person went through a tunnel and ended up in a place where they felt loved, the other person reunited with their loved ones, another person ended up in a black void and felt nothing, and then there's another person who like you described, was able to go through the walls of their hospital, and be able to hear and tell what happend in another place (which sounds like astral projection). It's different for everyone. Every NDE is different, just like every DMT trip is different for everyone.

If you think that NDEs are just hallucinations, how come a dying brain is able to recall actions and words that are said in other rooms where the individual decided to leave and wander? For example, a story on how a died and went in the waiting room of e.r. where she saw her father buy a candy bar from the vending machine and thought it was funny since he was always against eating sugar, etc. She confronted him once she came back and he told her that there is no way she could have known that.

There are a lot of examples of people being "out of their body", leaving the area and see what's going on in another room/place. These are confirmed.

There are some researchers who have been collecting and quantifying the data of Near Death Experiences (NDEs) for years now. They have created 6 categories/stages of NDEs that generally sum up most experiences.
  1. The hellish experience. It can be either a mildly uncomfortable experience, a cold, dark, damp, loveless experience, or the traditional flames and devil experience. Sometimes say they are drawn out of this realm by an indescribable love. Very few people recount experiencing this.
  2. There is another type of experience where one has an out-of-body perspective, and can travel freely. Often times this happens in an operation room where one's heart has stopped and the doctors are working to revive the patient. The individual many be able to go to other rooms in the hospital, or travel across the country. If they remain in the hospital room, they do not always recognize their own bodies on the table, and can feel confused. (quick note: there have been a surge in NDEs since the 1960s when resuscitation techniques became more advanced.) This one sounds like Astral Projection, which is in fact, real. You can try it yourself. Look for one of these "Binaural Beats Astral Projection" videos on Youtube and find the right frequency that works for you. Maybe 432 Hz or 528 Hz. I sometimes use binaural beats to lucid dream and they work.
  3. There is another experience of blissful, warm darkness that just feels comfortable. It is indescribable nothingness, often without memory or any inkling of consciousness at all.
  4. The next experience is similar to the last, but with an additional light that is usually far away, that emanates warmth and love and forgiveness. The individual is either attracted to this light and goes toward it (or the light itself comes to the person.) It allegedly gets better and better the closer one draws to the light, and so they continue. (Obviously this is where the phrase "go/don't go to the light" likely comes from).
  5. This experience continues where the last leaves off, where the person has broken through the light (to the other side). They now are experiencing a love/compassion/forgiveness/state of consciousness that is unlike anything they can put into words. Sometimes they encounter a sort of guide (this could be a loving anonymous being, or a religious figure (if they experience this, it is sometimes linked to their beliefs on Earth, but not always.))# This experience is sometimes accompanied by the most beautiful music. This being may present them to loved ones, or show them a life review (this is a very common experience of those who have had NDEs.) It may be at this point where the NDEer decides, or is told to return to their body (there is sometimes a choice) because they have "work left to accomplish in their lives." And I put that last part in quotes because of how many people cite that as their reasons on coming back.
  6. The final experience goes beyond the previous state of love and consciousness and is experienced only by a relatively few people compared to the previous others. They say that they experience a becoming one with the universe/universal energy that unites everything/God. They have stated that they understand everything; that knowledge is known just by thinking of a topic.
Still don't believe me?

Official CIA documents on human consciousness.

In short terms: Consciousness is not a part of our body at all, it's stored in our brain, but not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And most likely after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.

They found the missing page as well through a FOIA request, which is really the icing on the cake.

I believe that the NDEs people experience are real indeed, but it has absolutely 0 supernatural or superstitious causes behind it, and they are all scientific with the way the brain works. It's like when we go to sleep and have dreams, it's not God and heaven/hell situation we dealing with, it's just a complex manifestation of the subconscious, and NDEs are pretty much the same. I think NDEs operate very similarly like dreams.

In regards to what happens after life, I do beg first a factual question, like for a fact I was born the person that I am. But why this one and not to some random third world country parents, or the son of the King of Dubai (it be badass to be a billionaire prince of Dubai). How still I was born to be a human, and not some butterfly or chimpanzee.

I kind of do believe in reincarnation, but nothing to do with superstitious stuff, so nothing like God decides for me or what was determined in heaven or hell for your good and bad behavior while you lived. I believe it's scientific, that when you die there is a piece of your that is microscopic small but still tangible, that gets out there in the air like dust. The closest thing to describe it is 'spirit', but not in a supernatural way. I believe that this spirit which floats in the air with the circulation of the wind just like dust, hits certain species that conceive around the time your spirit dust is in the air it reaches the sperm that's about to become an embryo for a newborn, and this is what you get to be reincarnated and become next. Sometimes thinking about that, makes me think I want to ctb around billionaires area, so I get to be reincarnated to the next door neighbors who are fucking at the time, and have the awesome rich and handsome life
 
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the fact or state of not existing is clear a thing one second your here the next your gone
You can't experience nothingness. Existence cannot come ouf of non-existence, as this defies logic. Nothing comes from nothing, if something came from nothing then the nothing has the property of being able to produce something and so the "nothing" is something, a "thing" that can produce what we have today. For example, a child comes from their parents, a tree from a seed, etc.

But absolute non-existence? No. It doesn't exist by definition. Being is absolute. It has no state of non-existence, it exists.

What you might be referring to as non-existence or non-being, is merely a state in which being is, yet doesn't know what it is. We experience this in deep sleep or sometimes when we faint or "lose consciousness", as you say - where there is no experience. It's not an experience of non-existence however because such an experience doesn't exist. You can't experience the absence of experience. It's merely being without awareness of being. Something doesn't come from nothing. It is, even without knowing that it is. That's our nature, you can't "un-exist". Consciousness simply is.
everything comes out of nothing

In the quantum realm, something really can emerge from nothing. In theory, the Schwinger effect states that in the presence of strong enough electric fields, (charged) particles and their antiparticle counterparts will be ripped from the quantum vacuum, empty space itself, to become real

How the Universe really makes something from nothing

You do realize that your opinion still supports the afterlife theory, right? If everything comes out of nothing and death is nothingness, like you believe, then there is still something after death, since everything comes out of nothing.
I believe that the NDEs people experience are real indeed, but it has absolutely 0 supernatural or superstitious causes behind it, and they are all scientific with the way the brain works
Are you telling me that you have a scientific explanation on how a woman with no brain activity was able to see and hear what's going on in another place? There are people who clinically died and were also considered to be braindead, yet still experienced a NDE and came back, despite the odds. How do you explain someone dying from a cardiac arrest, getting revived, and then them being aware of what happend in another place despite being dead?
It's like when we go to sleep and have dreams, it's not God and heaven/hell situation we dealing with, it's just a complex manifestation of the subconscious, and NDEs are pretty much the same. I think NDEs operate very similarly like dreams.
No offense but if you read my comment then you wouldn't be saying that.

Near Death Experiences have nothing to do with dreaming. They are totally different. The whole brain is active during dreams, from the brainstem to the cortext. With NDEs on the other hand, there are many, many NDEs of people who have been clinically dead or who had no brain activity, yet experienced a NDE.

Non lucid and lucid dreams:

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Just compare the brain scans of when someone is dreaming compared to when someone is clincally dead. When you dream, your whole brain is active, while Near Death Experiences still occur even when there is no brain activity.

Consciousness is not part of our brain and since it's assumed that dreams are related/connected to your subconsciousness, dreaming again, has nothing to do with what NDEs, DMT, and the afterlife is like.
In regards to what happens after life, I do beg first a factual question, like for a fact I was born the person that I am. But why this one and not to some random third world country parents, or the son of the King of Dubai (it be badass to be a billionaire prince of Dubai). How still I was born to be a human, and not some butterfly or chimpanzee.
If you had been born as anything else you wouldn't have the capacity to ask this question. It's even possible that you have been born as animals before you only now are asking the question, because human have the capacity to do that. And a human being is also an animal, just with a greater sense of self importance.
I kind of do believe in reincarnation, but nothing to do with superstitious stuff, so nothing like God decides for me or what was determined in heaven or hell for your good and bad behavior while you lived.
This is about the afterlife, not God. The afterlife and God don't have to coexist for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. There are people who don't believe in God at all, yet had a positive NDE where they ended up in a heaven-like place.
I believe it's scientific
Scientific? We know that consciousness is not a part of our body and someone with no brain activity is able to experience a NDE where they can move, see, and hear what's currently going on while they are clinically dead. Science has no answer for that. Science has also no answer as to why there is DMT stored in our brain that releases when we die, etc. Science has no answer for many things. Our brain is very limited and is more like a radio receiver for our consciousness, if anything.
that when you die there is a piece of your that is microscopic small but still tangible, that gets out there in the air like dust. The closest thing to describe it is 'spirit', but not in a supernatural way. I believe that this spirit which floats in the air with the circulation of the wind just like dust, hits certain species that conceive around the time your spirit dust is in the air it reaches the sperm that's about to become an embryo for a newborn, and this is what you get to be reincarnated and become next.
What happens after you die is whatever you believe happens.

Again, DMT, NDEs, and the Law of Attraction.
Sometimes thinking about that, makes me think I want to ctb around billionaires area, so I get to be reincarnated to the next door neighbors who are fucking at the time, and have the awesome rich and handsome life
Or you could just ctb and transport/shift yourself to whatever place you want to be at. The reality we're currently living in is very limited. I don't think living on this planet, regardless if you're rich or poor, is enjoyable in any way or form. Climate Change, overpopulation, inflation, war, abuse, murder, injustice, etc. Even if someone gave me a billion dollars, I'd still want to ctb. All I could do with that money is waste my time on a shitty planet.

But like I said, when we die, our brain releases huge amounts of DMT. NDEs take people to all kinds of places, every near death experience is different. While one person is taken to a heaven-like place where they feel loved, the other person is taken to a black void where they feel nothing, and then there's another person who is taken to a place where they reunite with their loved ones instead. It varies from person to person. Our brain releasing DMT as we die=we go where we believe where we go. You believe there's no afterlife? You go into a black void of nothingness. A person believes they will be reunited with their loved ones? That will happen. That's again, why NDEs vary from person to person and why even people who don't believe in God can have NDEs.

Considering that:
I'm certain that Law of Attraction is the answer to all of this. The people who believe that they will meet their loved ones after they die, saw their loved ones in their Near Death Experience, and the people who believe that nothing happens after they die, were in a black void in their Near Death Experience.

If you believe that "_____" happens after death, then it happens to you.

If you believe that you'll go to "_____" after death, then that's where you will go.

That's imo, the best belief a atheist could have. Infinite Possibilities. I don't believe in God but again, the afterlife and God don't have to coexist for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. I got many reasons to believe in a afterlife, but no reasons to believe in a God. I'd like to interpret it as that I have my views, and other people theirs. That's exactly why so many people have different beliefs about the afterlife and different Near Death Experiences. There's a natural law of attraction involved that has to do with the ontological idealist nature of existence. Essentially and in general, when you die you find yourself in a place that resonates with your inner characteristics and your deeply held beliefs, which are mostly in the subconscious. This is why most people who die or have NDEs report that it is like "coming home;" they find themselves in a community/location/environment that resonates with who they are on the inside. This is a natural affinity and attraction that sorts our locations out, so to speak.

So if you want to reincarnate on this planet again or reunite with your loved ones, then you will, but if you don't want to, you won't. And if you want to mess around in the afterlife by doing whatever you want, then that works too, as there are NDE stories where people ended up in some sort of sandbox mode-like place where they were able to create things out of thin air.
 
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Long replies, appreciate you putting the effort.

I'll just answer in regards to the dream comments, no offense taken at all by the way. I understand what you mean, when I said it's like a dream, I just meant to say that just as we know for a fact they exists when we go to sleep that even all atheists wont deny it, it's the same with NDEs. It may work completely different than a dream, the point being made is that there isn't anything supernatural or superstitious taking place in NDEs, however it may be different from how dreams work. It's just alluding to the idea that there probably is a practical reasoning behind the NDEs, no God or heaven/hell is behind it.
 
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There is no such thing as non-existence. If non-existence existed, then it would always
There is no experimental evidence for any of that just theories and people saying things.

I'll never believe in any afterlife,god reincarnation, other universes, nothing after death except non-existence forever.

And it's the only thing that gives me peace knowing that someday soon I won't exist forever and so can never feel pain nor suffer ever again

I'm just replying to u cause u posted to me. What does it matter to u what I believe? U won't change my mind and I won't urs. If u want to believe in nde's and All that keep doing it.

I believe in evolution. There are thousands of books that expound on the massive evidence for evolution.

Eukaryotic cell evolved 1.8 billion years ago . Then multicellular animals from that cell .
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Many thousands of books and pieces of evidence prove only the brain generates consciousness

A human is just another animal , cells . The brain is a machine , neural networks. Chatgpt 4 already surpassed the human brain
 
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no God or heaven/hell is behind it.
That's probably the case! But the real question here is what is "life" or the "soul" or the "mind" or the "energy of life" what is really behind it? ehy are practically dead atoms are being able to think, to make decisions? What is that exactly? that is what we don't know. We have not understood why the universe came into existaence at all and by far not what is beyond it. All we know there is quantum vaccum energy as @Darkover already mentioned and what if that is the cause of "life/soul/mind" whatever we may want to call it?

I personally think that the "energy of life" will reunite with the quantum vaccum energy that is everywhere and even beyond the borders of the universe. Abnd I hope never ever to be materialized again in any case. But ofc I don't know.
 
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No one knows what you will see or feel. Probably nothing.

But what will happen to your body is, it will decompose.

What wiil happen to your family and friends is that they will continue living.

Years after your death, they will continue to move on and forget you at some point because they will meet somebody new and you will be replaced by that somebody who didn't decide to die, but to continue live and carry on.
 
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YAY! If the search function was used there'd be tons of threads where this has been discussed without the need for a new one ...
The OP doesn't have the search function, yet. They only have 7 postings.
Nobody knows so stop asking this repetitive question every damn week.
You need to stop attacking people for their postings. If you don't like what someone posts. simply ignore the posting. Full Stop!
 
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There is no experimental evidence for any of that just theories and people saying things.
Experimental evidence? Non-existence can't exist. Pure and simply. Nothing comes from nothing. Something can't exist out of thin air. If something comes out of nothingness then there would be babies appearing out of thin air instead of a man needing to impregnate a woman. If nothingness was a thing and happend before you were born was nothingness, then a afterlife and/or reincarnation is still a thing.

There is no such thing as non-existence. If non-existence existed, then it would always be. Existence cannot come out of non-existence. Non-existence is a logical contradiction. Nothing comes out of nothing, yet here we are. It is logically incoherent to assert that things that exist have precedents that are non-existent.
I'll never believe in any afterlife,god reincarnation, other universes, nothing after death except non-existence forever.
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To each their own.

DMT floods the human brain at death and causes vivid dreams and NDEs. So if death is some sort of DMT trip we don't come back from, then a afterlife could exist. So what awaits us after death is either what we believe happens (this would explain why NDEs vary from person to person), or nothingness. Even if it turns out to be nothingness, we can't experience that either way, so there is nothing to be concerned about. You would never be able to tell what's going on, it would be like sleeping without ever waking up.

Considering that:
I'm certain that Law of Attraction is the answer to all of this. The people who believe that they will meet their loved ones after they die, saw their loved ones in their Near Death Experience, and the people who believe that nothing happens after they die, were in a black void in their Near Death Experience.

If you believe that "_____" happens after death, then it happens to you.

If you believe that you'll go to "_____" after death, then that's where you will go.

I don't believe in God, Jesus, or any religion, but these NDEs are real. If someone who is catholic and believes in God, thinks that they'll go to heaven after death, and sees a heaven-like place during their NDE, doesn't this mean that they manifested it? If we go by this fact and use the Law of Attraction here, this means that whatever YOU believe happens after death, will happen to YOU. You believe in nothingness? Then you'll end up in a black void. You believe in God? Then you'll end up in heaven. You believe in Narnia or whatever fictional place you want to be in? You'll end up there. That's the only logical way I can think of how all of this works.

If the universe was perfectly fine without us for 14 billion years then why are we here out-of-nowhere? Coincidence?

DMT is in our brain. Coincidence?

DMT takes you to a different reality. Coincidence?

DMT reportedly activates in the brain when we die. Coincidence?

The energy in us cannot be destroyed so where does it go when we die? Coincidence?

We don't know where our consciousness comes from. But there are clearly many things in life that science cannot explain.

We know that consciousness is not a part of our body at all, it's stored in our brain, but not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And most likely after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.
And it's the only thing that gives me peace knowing that someday soon I won't exist forever and so can never feel pain nor suffer ever again
Sure, but that's your belief. Again, I don't believe in God but again, the afterlife and God don't have to coexist for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. I got many reasons to believe in a afterlife, but no reasons to believe in a God. I'd like to interpret it as that I have my views, and other people theirs. That's exactly why so many people have different beliefs about the afterlife and different Near Death Experiences. There's a natural law of attraction involved that has to do with the ontological idealist nature of existence. Essentially and in general, when you die you find yourself in a place that resonates with your inner characteristics and your deeply held beliefs, which are mostly in the subconscious. This is why most people who die or have NDEs report that it is like "coming home;" they find themselves in a community/location/environment that resonates with who they are on the inside. This is a natural affinity and attraction that sorts our locations out, so to speak.

Just because it's your belief that you won't exist after you die, doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone. There are people who were clinically dead and with no brain activity, yet were able to see move around and see what's currently going on in another place. Where is your scientific explanation for that? Like I said, NDEs vary from person to person. You believe you go to place x, and you'll go there after you die, you believe x happens after you die, and that's what will happen to you. Law of Attraction. Manifesting.

And it's not like Near Death Experiences are a new thing. Just look at "Ascent of the Blessed" by Hieronymus Bosch which he drew in the Year 1500~1504. The tunnel of light was already known even over 500 years ago.
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I'm just replying to u cause u posted to me. What does it matter to u what I believe? U won't change my mind and I won't urs. If u want to believe in nde's and All that keep doing it.
No offense but the only argument you came with was "There is no afterlife nor reincarnation only non-existence forever after Death" despite the fact that near death experiences exist and the fact that consciousness doesn't come from our body.

All I did was give my take because you make it seem like your opinion is fact. If you want to srs discuss this then pm me.
I believe in evolution. There are thousands of books that expound on the massive evidence for evolution.
I do not see any link between evolution and afterlife.
Eukaryotic cell evolved 1.8 billion years ago . Then multicellular animals from that cell .
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Bacteria can't talk to themselves. They don't have awareness, and they don't have intentions. Bacterias aren't sentient or aware. They function based on preset orders and scenarios (genes/dna). They litterally cannot be sentient. Bacteria do not have brains or other organs.

What you're saying is like saying that any bacteria in my body can experience a afterlife. That's not how it works.

Human are biologically animals, but the same can't be said for our consciousness, and our consciousness doesn't come from the brain, as the CIA link I posted above proves.

Near Death Experiences? Astral Projection? Can any of that be researched in animals? Are they even capable of experiencing that in the first place? Do plants have a consciousness? Plants can sense and react to more aspects of their environments than we can, is that their way of being conscious and would that mean that the are conscious just like we are? No. Humans and other life forms are not producing Consciousness. Consciousness is prior to form and forms appear from or within Consciousness. Everything is ultimately made from the stuff of Consciousness.
Many thousands of books and pieces of evidence prove only the brain generates consciousness
There is no such evidence, in fact the CIA documents deny what you claim. Consciousness is not a part of our body at all, it's stored in our brain, but not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.
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A human is just another animal , cells . The brain is a machine , neural networks. Chatgpt 4 already surpassed the human brain
The human brain is nothing more than a radio receiver for our consciousness. Again, there are literally people who had no brain activity, yet were able to be out of their body to move and see around what's going on in another place. Do animals experience near death experiences? I don't think so. If they did, we would already know by now.

Cells do not have any form of consciousness.

Chatgpt 4 surpassed the human brain? How? Is it sentient? Conscious? Is it able to explain why people who are clinically dead and have no brain activity, are still able to experience NDEs, etc?
 
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I do believe in reincarnation, but I like to think that people can choose whether to reincarnate or to rest in a (non-physical) place of their choosing, either temporarily or for eternity if desired. I don't believe that souls ever truly die. I know this doesn't align with most afterlife beliefs I've seen on here and could be a scary concept to many, but it is just my thoughts.
I agree I think our souls will carry on. It's like We're in a place before being born a and maybe we choose to do this to get the human experience who knows. Life is such a mystery
 
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We become worm food. I kind of like this fact because it's one last good deed for the planet. ♻️
Not me! I'm being cremated so as to deprive those slimy gits, Wormie and friends can go get their dinner elsewhere! 😛👈 Me blowing raspberry at a Worm!
 
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it'd be nice if nothing.
 
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Honestly I don't know. From the life I've lived and the lives other people have and continue to live, the assumption that there's nothing is probably the most coldly rational.
But lots of things are possible. God. Gods. Reincarnation.
To me nothingness sounds the most comfortable. However I was raised religiously so I'll say a prayer on my way out.
Experimental evidence? Non-existence can't exist. Pure and simply. Nothing comes from nothing. Something can't exist out of thin air. If something comes out of nothingness then there would be babies appearing out of thin air instead of a man needing to impregnate a woman. If nothingness was a thing and happend before you were born was nothingness, then a afterlife and/or reincarnation is still a thing.

There is no such thing as non-existence. If non-existence existed, then it would always be. Existence cannot come out of non-existence. Non-existence is a logical contradiction. Nothing comes out of nothing, yet here we are. It is logically incoherent to assert that things that exist have precedents that are non-existent.

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To each their own.

DMT floods the human brain at death and causes vivid dreams and NDEs. So if death is some sort of DMT trip we don't come back from, then a afterlife could exist. So what awaits us after death is either what we believe happens (this would explain why NDEs vary from person to person), or nothingness. Even if it turns out to be nothingness, we can't experience that either way, so there is nothing to be concerned about. You would never be able to tell what's going on, it would be like sleeping without ever waking up.

Considering that:
I'm certain that Law of Attraction is the answer to all of this. The people who believe that they will meet their loved ones after they die, saw their loved ones in their Near Death Experience, and the people who believe that nothing happens after they die, were in a black void in their Near Death Experience.

If you believe that "_____" happens after death, then it happens to you.

If you believe that you'll go to "_____" after death, then that's where you will go.

I don't believe in God, Jesus, or any religion, but these NDEs are real. If someone who is catholic and believes in God, thinks that they'll go to heaven after death, and sees a heaven-like place during their NDE, doesn't this mean that they manifested it? If we go by this fact and use the Law of Attraction here, this means that whatever YOU believe happens after death, will happen to YOU. You believe in nothingness? Then you'll end up in a black void. You believe in God? Then you'll end up in heaven. You believe in Narnia or whatever fictional place you want to be in? You'll end up there. That's the only logical way I can think of how all of this works.

If the universe was perfectly fine without us for 14 billion years then why are we here out-of-nowhere? Coincidence?

DMT is in our brain. Coincidence?

DMT takes you to a different reality. Coincidence?

DMT reportedly activates in the brain when we die. Coincidence?

The energy in us cannot be destroyed so where does it go when we die? Coincidence?

We don't know where our consciousness comes from. But there are clearly many things in life that science cannot explain.

We know that consciousness is not a part of our body at all, it's stored in our brain, but not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And most likely after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.

Sure, but that's your belief. Again, I don't believe in God but again, the afterlife and God don't have to coexist for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. I got many reasons to believe in a afterlife, but no reasons to believe in a God. I'd like to interpret it as that I have my views, and other people theirs. That's exactly why so many people have different beliefs about the afterlife and different Near Death Experiences. There's a natural law of attraction involved that has to do with the ontological idealist nature of existence. Essentially and in general, when you die you find yourself in a place that resonates with your inner characteristics and your deeply held beliefs, which are mostly in the subconscious. This is why most people who die or have NDEs report that it is like "coming home;" they find themselves in a community/location/environment that resonates with who they are on the inside. This is a natural affinity and attraction that sorts our locations out, so to speak.

Just because it's your belief that you won't exist after you die, doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone. There are people who were clinically dead and with no brain activity, yet were able to see move around and see what's currently going on in another place. Where is your scientific explanation for that? Like I said, NDEs vary from person to person. You believe you go to place x, and you'll go there after you die, you believe x happens after you die, and that's what will happen to you. Law of Attraction. Manifesting.

And it's not like Near Death Experiences are a new thing. Just look at "Ascent of the Blessed" by Hieronymus Bosch which he drew in the Year 1500~1504. The tunnel of light was already known even over 500 years ago.
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No offense but the only argument you came with was "There is no afterlife nor reincarnation only non-existence forever after Death" despite the fact that near death experiences exist and the fact that consciousness doesn't come from our body.

All I did was give my take because you make it seem like your opinion is fact. If you want to srs discuss this then pm me.

I do not see any link between evolution and afterlife.

Bacteria can't talk to themselves. They don't have awareness, and they don't have intentions. Bacterias aren't sentient or aware. They function based on preset orders and scenarios (genes/dna). They litterally cannot be sentient. Bacteria do not have brains or other organs.

What you're saying is like saying that any bacteria in my body can experience a afterlife. That's not how it works.

Human are biologically animals, but the same can't be said for our consciousness, and our consciousness doesn't come from the brain, as the CIA link I posted above proves.

Near Death Experiences? Astral Projection? Can any of that be researched in animals? Are they even capable of experiencing that in the first place? Do plants have a consciousness? Plants can sense and react to more aspects of their environments than we can, is that their way of being conscious and would that mean that the are conscious just like we are? No. Humans and other life forms are not producing Consciousness. Consciousness is prior to form and forms appear from or within Consciousness. Everything is ultimately made from the stuff of Consciousness.

There is no such evidence, in fact the CIA documents deny what you claim. Consciousness is not a part of our body at all, it's stored in our brain, but not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.
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The human brain is nothing more than a radio receiver for our consciousness. Again, there are literally people who had no brain activity, yet were able to be out of their body to move and see around what's going on in another place. Do animals experience near death experiences? I don't think so. If they did, we would already know by now.

Cells do not have any form of consciousness.

Chatgpt 4 surpassed the human brain? How? Is it sentient? Conscious? Is it able to explain why people who are clinically dead and have no brain activity, are still able to experience NDEs, etc?
This is an interesting argument. Then there would have to be some kind of eternal….er…thing. Blanking out a little. Something out of nothing does sound pretty silly. So okay, what if there was something? What created the something. The something would have to be something eternal and infinite. That's where people jump to saying God. But what would break up infinity in this case? I'm not a mathematician and could be wrong but if you take a portion from infinity wouldn't it just be infinity? I mean true infinity not infinity in one dimension or direction. I mean in all directions and planes and so on.
We experience things finitely at least in our perception so that doesn't make sense to me.
I kind of had the weird idea, what if both nothingness and everythingness exist/are true "at the same time"? As in they cancel each other out and destroy each other but not exactly. Not sure how to explain it exactly. But from interplay of nothingness and everythingness you get somethingness. ……
I will now stop talking.
 
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Experimental evidence? Non-existence can't exist. Pure and simply. Nothing comes from nothing. Something can't exist out of thin air. If something comes out of nothingness then there would be babies appearing out of thin air instead of a man needing to impregnate a woman. If nothingness was a thing and happend before you were born was nothingness, then a afterlife and/or reincarnation is still a thing.

There is no such thing as non-existence. If non-existence existed, then it would always be. Existence cannot come out of non-existence. Non-existence is a logical contradiction. Nothing comes out of nothing, yet here we are. It is logically incoherent to assert that things that exist have precedents that are non-existent.

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To each their own.

DMT floods the human brain at death and causes vivid dreams and NDEs. So if death is some sort of DMT trip we don't come back from, then a afterlife could exist. So what awaits us after death is either what we believe happens (this would explain why NDEs vary from person to person), or nothingness. Even if it turns out to be nothingness, we can't experience that either way, so there is nothing to be concerned about. You would never be able to tell what's going on, it would be like sleeping without ever waking up.

Considering that:
I'm certain that Law of Attraction is the answer to all of this. The people who believe that they will meet their loved ones after they die, saw their loved ones in their Near Death Experience, and the people who believe that nothing happens after they die, were in a black void in their Near Death Experience.

If you believe that "_____" happens after death, then it happens to you.

If you believe that you'll go to "_____" after death, then that's where you will go.

I don't believe in God, Jesus, or any religion, but these NDEs are real. If someone who is catholic and believes in God, thinks that they'll go to heaven after death, and sees a heaven-like place during their NDE, doesn't this mean that they manifested it? If we go by this fact and use the Law of Attraction here, this means that whatever YOU believe happens after death, will happen to YOU. You believe in nothingness? Then you'll end up in a black void. You believe in God? Then you'll end up in heaven. You believe in Narnia or whatever fictional place you want to be in? You'll end up there. That's the only logical way I can think of how all of this works.

If the universe was perfectly fine without us for 14 billion years then why are we here out-of-nowhere? Coincidence?

DMT is in our brain. Coincidence?

DMT takes you to a different reality. Coincidence?

DMT reportedly activates in the brain when we die. Coincidence?

The energy in us cannot be destroyed so where does it go when we die? Coincidence?

We don't know where our consciousness comes from. But there are clearly many things in life that science cannot explain.

We know that consciousness is not a part of our body at all, it's stored in our brain, but not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And most likely after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.

Sure, but that's your belief. Again, I don't believe in God but again, the afterlife and God don't have to coexist for them to exist. If the afterlife exists, this doesn't automatically mean that God does as well. I got many reasons to believe in a afterlife, but no reasons to believe in a God. I'd like to interpret it as that I have my views, and other people theirs. That's exactly why so many people have different beliefs about the afterlife and different Near Death Experiences. There's a natural law of attraction involved that has to do with the ontological idealist nature of existence. Essentially and in general, when you die you find yourself in a place that resonates with your inner characteristics and your deeply held beliefs, which are mostly in the subconscious. This is why most people who die or have NDEs report that it is like "coming home;" they find themselves in a community/location/environment that resonates with who they are on the inside. This is a natural affinity and attraction that sorts our locations out, so to speak.

Just because it's your belief that you won't exist after you die, doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone. There are people who were clinically dead and with no brain activity, yet were able to see move around and see what's currently going on in another place. Where is your scientific explanation for that? Like I said, NDEs vary from person to person. You believe you go to place x, and you'll go there after you die, you believe x happens after you die, and that's what will happen to you. Law of Attraction. Manifesting.

And it's not like Near Death Experiences are a new thing. Just look at "Ascent of the Blessed" by Hieronymus Bosch which he drew in the Year 1500~1504. The tunnel of light was already known even over 500 years ago.
Hwygiqb.jpg


No offense but the only argument you came with was "There is no afterlife nor reincarnation only non-existence forever after Death" despite the fact that near death experiences exist and the fact that consciousness doesn't come from our body.

All I did was give my take because you make it seem like your opinion is fact. If you want to srs discuss this then pm me.

I do not see any link between evolution and afterlife.

Bacteria can't talk to themselves. They don't have awareness, and they don't have intentions. Bacterias aren't sentient or aware. They function based on preset orders and scenarios (genes/dna). They litterally cannot be sentient. Bacteria do not have brains or other organs.

What you're saying is like saying that any bacteria in my body can experience a afterlife. That's not how it works.

Human are biologically animals, but the same can't be said for our consciousness, and our consciousness doesn't come from the brain, as the CIA link I posted above proves.

Near Death Experiences? Astral Projection? Can any of that be researched in animals? Are they even capable of experiencing that in the first place? Do plants have a consciousness? Plants can sense and react to more aspects of their environments than we can, is that their way of being conscious and would that mean that the are conscious just like we are? No. Humans and other life forms are not producing Consciousness. Consciousness is prior to form and forms appear from or within Consciousness. Everything is ultimately made from the stuff of Consciousness.

There is no such evidence, in fact the CIA documents deny what you claim. Consciousness is not a part of our body at all, it's stored in our brain, but not a part of it. Our consciousness (us) is its own being, a ghost version of us. We are basically just energy, in a meat and bone suit. And after death, our physical body, our consciousness, all that we really are, lives on in the true reality of the universe, escaping the confines of time and the limitations of the brain.
5BwUtcU.jpg

PxfWxv3.jpg



The human brain is nothing more than a radio receiver for our consciousness. Again, there are literally people who had no brain activity, yet were able to be out of their body to move and see around what's going on in another place. Do animals experience near death experiences? I don't think so. If they did, we would already know by now.

Cells do not have any form of consciousness.

Chatgpt 4 surpassed the human brain? How? Is it sentient? Conscious? Is it able to explain why people who are clinically dead and have no brain activity, are still able to experience NDEs, etc?
There is no constant me so no soul. The studies on Neuroplasticity prove this. a human's thinking , consciousness , beliefs who they think they are changes as the brain changes through experiences over time .

The brain changes even as an adult.
It's more obvious when "I" was a kid I was something different at every age . I had different thinking, consciousness , beliefs at every age including 1 year old , 2 yrs, 5, 10, 14, 20 , 90 ( dementia) etc. Is the consciousness and thinking I had at 5 the one that gets sent to the afterlife? Which me is the soul at which age ?



Where is the scientific experimental evidence for a soul, god afterlife? I haven't seen any.

Where is the power source for the soul the details? Why hasn't any god or any soul or ghost been able to communicate with the public or science?

Why would there be a consciousness that could suffer be bored for a trillion trillion years. Who would create such a horror for what reason?

I'm a slave not only to the body to my mind / brain / consciousness unmet needs , things not going the way I want to, problems, boredom , depression, suffering disappointment horror etc. Why would anyone create this nightmare for trillions of years? I had enough already and the only hope u have is for it to end = non-existence forever

Most people on this site seem young in their 20's and they imo already had enough of life. I think some them and me too have had enough of consciousness which is the ability to suffer extreme pain.

I know after this brain dies I will not exist forever and therefore not be able to experience pain ,suffering , boredom . Consciousness is the ability to experience things including unbearable pain. Only non-existence forever gaurantees that I will never suffer pain never suffer no problems forever

They have no idea worse torture is ahead 90 years of hell old age being torture. People 20 years old are tired of life and consciousness already. Imagine after 90 years. Then you are telling them they have to endure this hell for trillions of trillions of years

If a human does drugs or alcohol their personality character changes because the drugs affect the brain . Same thing if a small part of the brain gets damaged by a stroke or injury the character changes as the brain changes

I'll never believe in any afterlife, god , reincarnation, soul, magic supernatural etc
I believe that after death is non-existence forever.

 
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that was always a funny thought I had, which age would u show up in the afterlife with if it were real

I'd probably be okay with this age actually but if I was older I'd want to be younger
 
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The majority of near death experiences (after the struggling was over) sound peaceful though the entire experience might just be a way for the brain to cope.
"What happens after death?" at first raises the question "Is there a soul?" and that is a whole other can of worms with a lot of potential for debates.
I think it will be like blacking out or going under for a surgery. A few moments of a weird, wrong but yet kinda peaceful sensation as the flame goes out then blank, darkness. Nothingness where not even time itelf exists.
That is what I hope for at least.
 

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