What does a person realistically lose by ctb?

[divinemistress36]

You seem to have a thorough understanding of what you want, so why haven't you done it?

Cause she wants a peaceful 100 percent reliable method . Totally understandable

 

[Ambivalent1]

STEM but I don't think it's relevant. The issue is that I don't want to have to fit into or participate in society, it wasn't built or meant for people like me anyways.

STEM is good. I hear they're guaranteed a job. Why do you feel that you don't fit with society? A lot of people wear a "mask" when they leave the home each day and go to work, but then they come home and can be themselves again.

Cause she wants a peaceful 100 percent reliable method . Totally understandable

And unrealistic in this Medieval era we've entered.

 

[sserafim]

STEM is good. I hear they're guaranteed a job. Why do you feel that you don't fit with society? A lot of people wear a "mask" when they leave the home each day and go to work, but then they come home and can be themselves again.

And unrealistic in this Medieval era we've entered.

Cause I'm neurodivergent (Asperger's/autism as well as other stuff) and never belonged in the world anyways. Masking for me is exhausting, basically there's a fundamental disconnect between me and other people. I was masking throughout my entire life until I became a NEET and I enjoy not having to carefully calculate my every move and what to say. Talking to and interacting with people (irl) drains my energy because it doesn't come naturally to me, I always have to constantly think about it. Basically I wasn't born with the unwritten rules to social interaction (specifically body language and social cues), I still don't really understand body language to this day. I feel sub-human and like I'll never be a real, functioning person.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Cause I'm neurodivergent (Asperger's/autism as well as other stuff) and never belonged in the world anyways. Masking for me is exhausting, basically there's a fundamental disconnect between me and other people. I was masking throughout my entire life until I became a NEET and I enjoy not having to carefully calculate my every move and what to say. Talking to and interacting with people (irl) drains my energy because it doesn't come natural to me, I always have to constantly think about it.

Oh ok. I'm similar but I have PTSD. Do you feel overly stimulated in public? Public interaction is like a chess game.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

And unrealistic in this Medieval era we've entered.

that's the unfortunate thing here, any of the methods left to our disposal are not without the risk of great trauma to the body like the more violent methods so having access to anything like a 100% peaceful method is rather far-fetched knowing what's been done to make sure such ways are kept incredibly tight under lock and key of law and restrictions, maybe only for those few who have the resources to get around such obstacles. Like having a gun, it would've been preferable to sn but for the way circumstances have unfoled, I can't get one even if its far better. The world makes it this difficult to exit so that we're left with two options

1. Give up altogether and just go on with life because the options aren't favorable for ctb plus that it's too exhausting of an effort to try to use something that has less of a chance of working. Some people are willing to forsake peacefulness for speed though.

2. Take a risk on methods that are less likely to succeed but more likely to leave you in hospital, suffering from new disabilities and lamenting your decisions as you end up in a psyche ward where you're treated like a criminal and possibly not coming out of that pschye ward any better but regretful that your attempt didn't work with friends possibly now distancing themselves from or abandoning you altogether.

 

[LetMeBeSad]

I think we lose potential. In the future there is potential. For both good and bad but, we lose that potential for both good and bad if we ctb.

 

[sserafim]

Oh ok. I'm similar but I have PTSD. Do you feel overly stimulated in public? Public interaction is like a chess game.

Yeah, I hate going out because there's so much noise and everything. I especially hate crowds, and I hate having to calculate where to walk in case someone walks into me (I have really bad spatial and bodily awareness). I agree, public interaction is like a chess game, you have to anticipate other people's moves and stuff.

It's kind of paradoxical that I hate being in public because I still want to travel and see the world, but I would rather do that if I'm the only person left standing…

 

[Ambivalent1]

Yeah, I hate going out because there's so much noise and everything. I especially hate crowds, and I hate having to calculate where to walk in case someone walks into me (I have really bad spatial and bodily awareness). I agree, public interaction is like a chess game, you have to anticipate other people's moves and stuff.

It's kind of paradoxical that I hate being in public because I still want to travel and see the world, but I would rather do that if I'm the only person left standing…

I can relate.
I travel via Google Earth lol

 

[wait.what]

You're misunderstanding. If you want to use the word "symptom," then that would make depression a symptom of an illness or disease? What is that disease?

Depression is like a fever—it's a symptom that can arise from a lot of things. You can get a fever from covid or appendicitis or heatstroke, or anything in between. Likewise, depression can come from loneliness and isolation, from hormonal problems, from the loss of a job or relationship that was part of someone's identity, and more.

By the way, @333s, thanks for including vitamin deficiencies among your list of depression causes. It's important for people to know. I took useless antidepressants for almost 35 years before someone figured out I'm chronically short of zinc, among other things. I've had the reason for the deficiency explained to me, but I always end up just smiling and nodding. Anyway, it might be better to have your primary care doctor do a panel of nutrition tests instead of letting your psychiatrist try you on your 27th antidepressant.

Only in the sense that it's your only health problem. Depression can be treated. It can be treated through antidepressants, therapy, finding a meaningful hobby, finding the right people to surround yourself with, sunlight, healthy eating, religion, travel, etc. The problem with depression is it makes one withdraw and not try things. Depression is like a smokescreen imprisoning you, but it's still a smokescreen that can be walked through.

As I said above, depression is a symptom of multiple underlying issues. Some of these are easy fixes, like a zinc deficiency. Some are not, like living in a war zone and experiencing trauma every day.

I think it's a false assumption that people with depression don't "try things." I tried just about everything out there from ~1983 onward. Nothing worked, because my basic problem was physical, and to a certain extent, environmental.

The world of mental health has a big blind spot when it comes to problems that can't be solved with "keep calm and carry on." Sometimes, the issue isn't your attitude toward life. Sometimes the issue isn't even you. If you're a PoC in a racist city who gets hit with stop-and-frisk every time you go out the door, you're going to be mad. But it's not safe to show you're mad at the cops in that kind of situation, so you stifle your feelings. Stifled anger can become depression. This will not be helped much by getting more sunlight or trying a new hobby.

The problem here is not you, it's everyone else.

The fact that white, privileged therapists would even suggest getting sunlight and fun hobbies as a cure for despair in the face of institutionalized prejudice goes a long way toward explaining why PoC tend not to trust mental health professionals or believe in their diagnoses.

At the beginning of her twenties she suffered from severe depression because of the diagnosis and she once told me much later that her physical disability is so much easier to handle for her than the depression ever was and she just hopes it will never come back. That was very impressive to me because her phyiscal disability stole so much from her and still she "prefered" it from depression.

I know someone who had cancer and later depression as a teenager, and they say that the cancer was so much easier to deal with. People with cancer get care and support. People with depression get judgment and insulting "advice." ("Why don't you just snap out of it?")

I was about to ask you that question? I noticed you're being here for a while @Ambivalent1

Something tells me he might be ambivalent. I'm not sure what. ;)

 

[Meteora]

I know someone who had cancer and later depression as a teenager, and they say that the cancer was so much easier to deal with. People with cancer get care and support. People with depression get judgment and insulting "advice." ("Why don't you just snap out of it?")

I agree 100%

 

[walkingdead2023]

Depression is like a fever—it's a symptom that can arise from a lot of things. You can get a fever from covid or appendicitis or heatstroke, or anything in between. Likewise, depression can come from loneliness and isolation, from hormonal problems, from the loss of a job or relationship that was part of someone's identity, and more.

By the way, @333s, thanks for including vitamin deficiencies among your list of depression causes. It's important for people to know. I took useless antidepressants for almost 35 years before someone figured out I'm chronically short of zinc, among other things. I've had the reason for the deficiency explained to me, but I always end up just smiling and nodding. Anyway, it might be better to have your primary care doctor do a panel of nutrition tests instead of letting your psychiatrist try you on your 27th antidepressant.


As I said above, depression is a symptom of multiple underlying issues. Some of these are easy fixes, like a zinc deficiency. Some are not, like living in a war zone and experiencing trauma every day.

I think it's a false assumption that people with depression don't "try things." I tried just about everything out there from ~1983 onward. Nothing worked, because my basic problem was physical, and to a certain extent, environmental.

The world of mental health has a big blind spot when it comes to problems that can't be solved with "keep calm and carry on." Sometimes, the issue isn't your attitude toward life. Sometimes the issue isn't even you. If you're a PoC in a racist city who gets hit with stop-and-frisk every time you go out the door, you're going to be mad. But it's not safe to show you're mad at the cops in that kind of situation, so you stifle your feelings. Stifled anger can become depression. This will not be helped much by getting more sunlight or trying a new hobby.

The problem here is not you, it's everyone else.

The fact that white, privileged therapists would even suggest getting sunlight and fun hobbies as a cure for despair in the face of institutionalized prejudice goes a long way toward explaining why PoC tend not to trust mental health professionals or believe in their diagnoses.


I know someone who had cancer and later depression as a teenager, and they say that the cancer was so much easier to deal with. People with cancer get care and support. People with depression get judgment and insulting "advice." ("Why don't you just snap out of it?")

Something tells me he might be ambivalent. I'm not sure what. ;)

@wait.what yiur breaching to the wrong person. I'm an advance nurse myself I don't need you to define depression and " you're wrong" depression is a disease. Since you sounds like closed to other facts i won't elaborate. You believe what you believe. Please add MDD can also happened due to trauma after losing a loved one to suicide.

 

[Meteora]

@wait.what yiur breaching to the wrong person. I'm an advance nurse myself I don't need you to define depression and " you're wrong" depression is a disease. Since you sounds like closed to other facts i won't elaborate. You believe what you believe. Please add MDD can also happened due to trauma after losing a loved one to suicide.

Depression is the reaction of our souls to circumstances/influences etc. So it is a symptom and he who wants to heal from it best finds out what the cause is. In modern psychiatry it is treated like a disease, I know. But that's not smart in my opinion, or in many cases not enough.

 

[333s]

@wait.what yiur breaching to the wrong person. I'm an advance nurse myself I don't need you to define depression and " you're wrong" depression is a disease. Since you sounds like closed to other facts i won't elaborate. You believe what you believe. Please add MDD can also happened due to trauma after losing a loved one to suicide.

i dont think they're pointing out that it's wrong that depression is a disease
im sorry if you had different experience but it's more like common knowledge to people (especially here) since its in DSM
they're compare it to fever which is also both a symptom and an independent disease (group of diseases; infections)
and it's totally not that common to know that it's ALSO a symptom
and not a rare one honestly
personally, i've seen too many people suffer from "incurable" depression bc their antidepressants wont work
and i hope it's not against the policy of sasu to give them hope

what the cause is

the lack of serotonin? brain disfunction? depression is not ONLY a mental disease it's also important to know
what you're talking about is a depression mindset (or whatever its called) which obviously can be fixed if one sees a point in it
but just a mindset mostly doesn't include a complete inability to feel happiness, which, i believe, is a common reason for people to visit this site

 

[walkingdead2023]

i dont think they're pointing out that it's wrong that depression is a disease
im sorry if you had different experience but it's more like common knowledge to people (especially here) since its in DSM
they're compare it to fever which is also both a symptom and an independent disease (group of diseases; infections)
and it's totally not that common to know that it's ALSO a symptom
and not a rare one honestly
personally, i've seen too many people suffer from "incurable" depression bc their antidepressants wont work
and i hope it's not against the policy of sasu to give them hope

I don't think it's against the policy to provide healthy advise. There is nothing you can do to help your depression but you can manage the symptoms that depression causing. I have depression and anxiety. I still work and breath but I'm sad all the time I feel negative and predict negatives I think it's from work itself (burnout) I try to hide my mental issues but if you have depression you can till I do too…

Unfortunately, a lot of people lack knowledge about mental illness they don't understand it's in the brain not just a reaction.. thank you so much for replying

Depression is the reaction of our souls to circumstances/influences etc. So it is a symptom and he who wants to heal from it best finds out what the cause is. In modern psychiatry it is treated like a disease, I know. But that's not smart in my opinion, or in many cases not enough.

Thank you for replying! The way you defined depression is somewhat correct. Most people have depression without reasons in another world, you don't have to have a reason to be depressed

 

[Meteora]

the lack of serotonin? brain disfunction? depression is not ONLY a mental disease it's also important to know

And why is there a lack of serotonin?

Body mind and spirit are not devidable that's for sure, although medicine does it. There the problem starts.

what you're talking about is a depression mindset (or whatever its called) which obviously can be fixed if one sees a point in it

What do you mean by depression mindset?

Your approach is foreign to me.

but just a mindset mostly doesn't include a complete inability to feel happiness, which, i believe, is a common reason for people to visit this site

That's a conclusion I don't understand. Based on what do you say that?

Thank you for replying! The way you defined depression is somewhat correct. Most people have depression without reasons in another world, you don't have to have a reason to be depressed

Depression without a reason doesnt exist in my opinion. There is a lot of people who don't know the reason, yes. But that doesn't mean if you would dig in their story you wouldn't find the cause of their depression.

 

[walkingdead2023]

i dont think they're pointing out that it's wrong that depression is a disease
im sorry if you had different experience but it's more like common knowledge to people (especially here) since its in DSM
they're compare it to fever which is also both a symptom and an independent disease (group of diseases; infections)
and it's totally not that common to know that it's ALSO a symptom
and not a rare one honestly
personally, i've seen too many people suffer from "incurable" depression bc their antidepressants wont work
and i hope it's not against the policy of sasu to give them hope

the lack of serotonin? brain disfunction? depression is not ONLY a mental disease it's also important to know
what you're talking about is a depression mindset (or whatever its called) which obviously can be fixed if one sees a point in it
but just a mindset mostly doesn't include a complete inability to feel happiness, which, i believe, is a common reason for people to visit this site

Just to let you know, not everyone suicidal is depressed. People specially teenagers can't cope with stress and life demands so they run away… sometimes addictions can also mess up your brain and makes you feel useless, depression is one reason but there are other reasons to wanted to kill your self.

And why is there a lack of serotonin?

Body mind and spirit are not devidable that's for sure, although medicine does it. There the problem starts.


What do you mean by depression mindset?

Your approach is foreign to me.


That's a conclusion I don't understand. Based on what do you say that?

Depression without a reason doesnt exist in my opinion. There is a lot of people who don't know the reason, yes. But that doesn't mean if you would dig in their story you wouldn't find the cause of their depression.

What is being said is clear and straight forward. Please visit psychology.com and read about depression and other mental disorders

 

[Ambivalent1]

Just to let you know, not everyone suicidal is depressed. People specially teenagers can't cope with stress and life demands so they run away… sometimes addictions can also mess up your brain and makes you feel useless, depression is one reason but there are other reasons to wanted to kill your self.

What is being said is clear and straight forward. Please visit psychology.com and read about depression and other mental disorders

Depression is as real as Long covid...

 

[333s]

why is there a lack of serotonin?

depends on the case, but mostly there is a combination of factors, the most popular is probably environmental+genetic (weak nerve system ig?)
i believe that everyone has a soul/spirit/something more than brain in them and not everyone has a lack of serotonin
so why one souls are depressed bc of circumstances and influences but others are not? (if the reason isn't physical as i said)

What do you mean by depression mindset?

when one constantly thinks in beck's cognitive triad so his synapses get used to it and it becomes difficult for a person to think differently
although a person still has an ability to enjoy things (even if they're (sometimes) destructive)

That's a conclusion I don't understand. Based on what do you say that?

say what exactly? sorry i don't see any thoughts in this quote that should be certified

not everyone suicidal is depressed.

never stated something otherwise
only that inability to enjoy things is very common reason to feel suicidal (and visit this site) which seems pretty rational to me idk maybe its not

 

[walkingdead2023]

depends on the case, but mostly there is a combination of factors, the most popular is probably environmental+genetic (weak nerve system ig?)
i believe that everyone has a soul/spirit/something more than brain in them and not everyone has a lack of serotonin
so why one souls are depressed bc of circumstances and influences but others are not? (if the reason isn't physical as i said)


when one constantly thinks in beck's cognitive triad so his synapses get used to it and it becomes difficult for a person to think differently
although a person still has an ability to enjoy things (even if they're (sometimes) destructive)

say what exactly? sorry i don't see any thoughts in this quote that should be certified

never stated something otherwise
only that inability to enjoy things is very common reason to feel suicidal (and visit this site) which seems pretty rational to me idk maybe its not

You didn't state otherwise but in general people tend to say "he was depressed" to anyone die by suicide! That's not true it could be a million other reasons…I'm here to chat without being judged I don't think this site provide the tools to die. I think in google they have way much more resources with more details…

 

[lifewasawillowtv]

You lose the ability to breathe lol.

I guess you could say you lose the relationships you have with other people but you're eventually going to lose them anyway because life happens. Not to mention you ultimately do lose them when the person/you die, whether you want to lose them or not. We're all going to leave this place one way or another eventually.

 

[divinemistress36]

Yeah, I hate going out because there's so much noise and everything. I especially hate crowds, and I hate having to calculate where to walk in case someone walks into me (I have really bad spatial and bodily awareness). I agree, public interaction is like a chess game, you have to anticipate other people's moves and stuff.

It's kind of paradoxical that I hate being in public because I still want to travel and see the world, but I would rather do that if I'm the only person left standing…

I'm not autistic but I do have a Brain injury and get overestimulatred easy and have temper tantrums from it everyday everything is sensory overload in this world

 

[Katdogg]

By CTB early i lose all future possibilities for myself (good or bad?) , but I also cancel out the " ripples in the pond" . What small action of mine might affect another person unknowingly (good or bad?) ? ...

I think Epicurus was saying to focus on living and not fearing death , ... why waste your energy thinking about dying while you are alive? When you actually do die you will be free of your fears and worries of this life. "Seize the day !" ... idk

 

[TransientEternal]

Nothing is lost if you succeed. Where or when your consciousness reforms has no connections to the past self.

 

[DreamEnd]

If you believe you cease to exist after death then nothing is lost
If you believe there is an afterlife and you were born here for a purpose then something can be lost

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Imo it's kinda SI that makes us think we "lose" sth by CTB. Yes we lose our lives but everything else is mainly materialistic or for daily needs like food, housing. None of it not even our loved ones can we take with us when we die naturally, in an accident, incurable illness or CTB. From this point of view we lose nothing but actually wanting to die is not necessarily a natural behavior.

 

[Ambivalent1]

You lose the ability to breathe lol.

I guess you could say you lose the relationships you have with other people but you're eventually going to lose them anyway because life happens. Not to mention you ultimately do lose them when the person/you die, whether you want to lose them or not. We're all going to leave this place one way or another eventually.

It's hard to keep in mind that not ctb doesn't mean not dying. It just means dying later, but it's going to happen.

Nothing is lost if you succeed. Where or when your consciousness reforms has no connections to the past self.

Do you think it's inevitable that our consciousness will reform someday?

Imo it's kinda SI that makes us think we "lose" sth by CTB. Yes we lose our lives but everything else is mainly materialistic or for daily needs like food, housing. None of it not even our loved ones can we take with us when we die naturally, in an accident, incurable illness or CTB. From this point of view we lose nothing but actually wanting to die is not necessarily a natural behavior.

Interesting. To continue living is to continue with the routine of buying necessities, acquiring money, entertainment, interactions with others, dealing with problems that arise. When life is condensed into that list, it seems pretty fuckin worthless haha

 

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

A person lost the capacity of seeing, hearing, smell, touch, feel,taste, think, interact with humans and other beings, that's pretty much everything.
Death means ( i hope ) the end of everything to reach the void. Living can be excruciatingly painful so the void can be extremely appealing.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Lose a lot of regular pain , suffering and extreme pain and extreme suffering, unbearable constant long lasting pain. That's what you lose

You also lose suffering through old age , oppression, depression diseases , scams lies etc

 

[TiredOfAllThis]

Loses all the problems

 

[Ambivalent1]

Lose a lot of regular pain , suffering and extreme pain and extreme suffering, unbearable constant long lasting pain. That's what you lose

You also lose suffering through old age , oppression, depression diseases , scams lies etc

The problems outweigh the good too.