What does a person realistically lose by ctb?

[Deleted member 65988]

Once I am dead, it does not matter that I potentially missed an opportunity to maximise the total number of wellbeing units that my life contained. Say for example, I killed myself after buying the winning lottery ticket and missed out on the millions of dollars that could have been used to greatly enhance my wellbeing. The money would have been of great use to me had I remained alive, but dying does not deprive me of the opportunity to benefit my wellbeing levels, because as soon as I am dead, I no longer need the money to mitigate against the liability that attends the burden of needing to maintain and preserve high wellbeing levels. I assert that, in fact, one is committing a category error when one claims that a dead person is worse off for not being able to maximize their wellbeing, because the concept of wellbeing can only be applied to sentient minds.

 

[Meteora]

Life has no meaning onto its own besides that which you give to it.

Agreed.

But what if you can't live life like you wanted and this is bothering you way too much for whatever reason? Well that is what situation I find myself in. I had opportunities to change my situation, didn't do it and then failed.

Hm, but there is not only one way to live life, isnt there?
I dont know what you failed at but
maybe you should try to forgive yourself for those things?

 

[Ambivalent1]

Once I am dead, it does not matter that I potentially missed an opportunity to maximise the total number of wellbeing units that my life contained. Say for example, I killed myself after buying the winning lottery ticket and missed out on the millions of dollars that could have been used to greatly enhance my wellbeing. The money would have been of great use to me had I remained alive, but dying does not deprive me of the opportunity to benefit my wellbeing levels, because as soon as I am dead, I no longer need the money to mitigate against the liability that attends the burden of needing to maintain and preserve high wellbeing levels. I assert that, in fact, one is committing a category error when one claims that a dead person is worse off for not being able to maximize their wellbeing, because the concept of wellbeing can only be applied to sentient minds.

Years of enjoyment from the money would be nice, but the memory of it all would disappear in death like it never even happened. I view life like a dream. It will end and be a puff of smoke. I don't find myself jealous of people anymore, which is nice.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Years of enjoyment from the money would be nice, but the memory of it all would disappear in death like it never even happened. I view life like a dream. It will end and be a puff of smoke. I don't find myself jealous of people anymore, which is nice.

Absolutely it would be nice without question but it'll be over someday.

 

[4everDone]

For me death is loosing my drippy af outfit. I know it sounds ridiculous but it's not the main reason I am considering ctb. It just that it's been a while since I wore something comfortable, but I know for sure my lifeless body smashed to the ground will look good. Sadly that will be the only time when I will feel okay in the clothes I want to wear. All they do is steal..

 

[Ambivalent1]

Absolutely it would be nice without question but it'll be over someday.

I read about a male pornstar who died a few years ago. He had a life many men would loved to have had, but he's dead now and has no memory of those experiences. It's as if they never happened. It's strange how all positive experiences end up being worthless.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I read about a male pornstar who died a few years ago. He had a life many men would loved to have had, but he's dead now and has no memory of those experiences. It's as if they never happened. It's strange how all positive experiences end up being worthless.

Well, most people would state that its savoring every moment since it'll never come again, but personally, i wouldn't have wanted a life like that but that's just me.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

The ability to have experiences (good and bad)

 

[Ambivalent1]

Well, most people would state that its savoring every moment since it'll never come again, but personally, i wouldn't have wanted a life like that but that's just me.

yeah I'm sure that life only looks desirable, and like with most things, there's a catch.

Savoring every moment that will soon be forever forgotten seems like an exercise in insanity and futility.

 

[Tokugawa_Yoshinobu]

Agreed.

Hm, but there is not only one way to live life, isnt there?
I dont know what you failed at but
maybe you should try to forgive yourself for those things?

I think my path is screwed by now even if I forgave myself.

 

[walkingdead2023]

A symptom of what disease?

Major depressive disorder is a disease: symptoms included hopelessness, helplessness, sadness, losing interests in doing things ones like, and SUICIDE IDEATION

 

[Ambivalent1]

Major depressive disorder is a disease: symptoms included hopelessness, helplessness, sadness, losing interests in doing things ones like, and SUICIDE IDEATION

Tell that to the one I was replying to. She refused to understand what you're saying and what you're saying I already knew.

 

[333s]

Tell that to the one I was replying to. She refused to understand what you're saying and what you're saying I already knew.

depression may be a symptom though
lack of vitamins; hormonal disbalance; tumors; bloodstream violation; etc… so depression will develop as consequence, not independent case ig? so that's why so important to do a major health check before considering ctb…if one is craving for hope ofc
it's not that rare when depression has underlying physical problems that can be cured firstly
which will ease ones life a lot,,
or maybe they meant something edgy like depression is a symptom of life

 

[Unknown21]

Lose his life. Lol.

 

[FuneralCry]

The ability to suffer. I see suicide as suffering prevention, it's the way to take control over the inevitable fate, finding peace and freedom from the burden of existing as a human.

And this is why I see suicide as rational as nobody can suffer from not existing yet there is no limit as to how much one can be tormented in this futile and cruel existence, only permanent non-existence is desirable to me. I find comfort in the thought of death erasing everything, I'd always see it as better that this existence permanently disappears into nothingness.

 

[Ambivalent1]

The ability to suffer. I see suicide as suffering prevention, it's the way to take control over the inevitable fate, finding peace and freedom from the burden of existing as a human.

And this is why I see suicide as rational as nobody can suffer from not existing yet there is no limit as to how much one can be tormented in this futile and cruel existence, only permanent non-existence is desirable to me. I find comfort in the thought of death erasing everything, I'd always see it as better that this existence permanently disappears into nothingness.

You seem to have a thorough understanding of what you want, so why haven't you done it?

 

[doormat25]

Dropping the body. Shedding roles. Ego death.

 

[walkingdead2023]

You seem to have a thorough understanding of what you want, so why haven't you done it?

I was about to ask you that question? I noticed you're being here for a while @Ambivalent1

 

[Forever Sleep]

Possibilities in this life. Good and bad. Bear in mind that's going to happen one day anyway though- whether you like it or not. Beyond that, who knows?

 

[Ambivalent1]

I was about to ask you that question? I noticed you're being here for a while @Ambivalent1

"In the beginning was me, me was with Sanctioned suicide, and me was Sanctioned suicide."
A play on John 1:1 from the bible.

Possibilities in this life. Good and bad. Bear in mind that's going to happen one day anyway though- whether you like it or not. Beyond that, who knows?

Whether I like it or not
Maybe that's why I want to do it. Dying randomly on a possibly good day would be sad.

 

[FuneralCry]

You seem to have a thorough understanding of what you want, so why haven't you done it?

Suicide isn't as straightforward as just choosing to be gone, I don't get what makes people think that. I'm trapped here due to lack of access to reliable methods, I'd also fear trying to die going wrong and just leading to way worse suffering as a result.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Suicide isn't as straightforward as just choosing to be gone, I don't get what makes people think that. I'm trapped here due to lack of access to reliable methods, I'd also fear trying to die going wrong and just leading to way worse suffering as a result.

do you see yourself ever doing it someday?

 

[FuneralCry]

do you see yourself ever doing it someday?

Hopefully if I don't somehow die by other causes. But like I said it really just isn't straightforward to ctb and doing so comes with risks. One day this will have to end no matter what.

 

[Meteora]

Tell that to the one I was replying to. She refused to understand what you're saying and what you're saying I already knew.

Don't forget to be respectful. We re all in the same boat.

I don't like to talk to people who think they know things better because there s no point in talking then.

 

[sserafim]

I guess if you ctb you lose the future/ future possibilities and living out your "full life". You basically lose your un-lived life. But what if you don't think that the rest of your life is worth living? Like for me, personally I'd rather die than have to become an adult and be just another slave to capitalism and society. And to have to work for a living for 50 odd years just to be able to afford to survive? I'd rather kms.

The future could go in a million different directions and if you ctb you wouldn't be able to see or experience it. It could get better or worse, that's a gamble. Personally I don't want or see a future for myself so that's why I want to ctb.

 

[Aim]

Depends on what the person has gained or allready lost in life at the time of the suicide i will assume.

 

[Ambivalent1]

I guess if you ctb you lose the future/ future possibilities and living out your "full life". You basically lose your un-lived life. But what if you don't think that the rest of your life is worth living?

The future could go in a million different directions and if you ctb you wouldn't be able to see or experience it. It could get better or worse, that's a gamble. Personally I don't want or see a future for myself so that's why I want to ctb.

At what point, can one accurately predict the journey down the road? Age 40?

 

[sserafim]

At what point, can one accurately predict the journey down the road? Age 40?

I'm not sure, but personally I'm 23 and I plan to ctb before 25 because I think that people expect you to have your shit together by 25.

My family already views me as a failure because I've become a NEET after college and they expect me to break out of NEEThood and become a "well-adjusted" and "well-functioning" member of society by 25. Basically, they want me to work for a living until I die. I don't want to have to do this so that's why I want to ctb.

 

[Ambivalent1]

I'm not sure, but personally I'm 23 and I plan to ctb before 25 because I think that people expect you to have your shit together by 25.

My family already views me as a failure because I've become a NEET after college and they expect me to break out of NEEThood and become a "well-adjusted" and "well-functioning" member of society by 25. Basically, they want me to work for a living until I die. I don't want to have to do this so that's why I want to ctb.

What did you major in?

 

[sserafim]

What did you major in?

STEM but I don't think it's relevant. The issue is that I don't want to have to fit into or participate in society, it wasn't built or meant for people like me anyways.