I'd like to see a religion in which the main diety is called something which includes the word "fucked" ha ha ha.
I'd like to see a religion in which the main diety is called something which includes the word "fucked" ha ha ha.
Good4Nothing
Unlovable
- May 8, 2020
- 1,865
Oh, they believe in Hell, but they're not going there. All you have to do to go to Heaven is ask Jesus for forgiveness.
That's it. Doesn't matter what kind of monster you are, as long you believe in Jesus, you're going to Heaven.
This is the ultimate argument. One simply cannot defend the position that god works in this world as long as innocent children are raped. One can argue that god created the universe and set it in motion, but one cannot defend the idea that god performs miracles and answers prayers. Because no prayers deserve to be heard more than the cries of a child abused by a rapist.
Lost in a Dream
He/him - Metal head
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,771
Perhaps you have failed to consider the reasons that have led to people becoming atheists or becoming suicidal. It could be the case that both are caused by the same things, but the reasons might also be completely different and unrelated to one another. When I first became an atheist, I was much less depressed than I was as a Christian. That changed after a while due to negative life circumstances, some that were my fault and some that were not, but those circumstances are the things that have led to me being on this site. All I can say for sure is that Christianity never gave me any hope. Once I opened up the Bible and saw the horror show inside of it, I became filled with an increasing sense of dread that only went away when I realized that the god claims in it might not even be true.
At the moment, I don't think of myself as an atheist anymore. I do believe in an intelligent creator that is responsible for the existence of the universe, but it's not enough to change my mind about suicide. Maybe if I thought it was actually a benevolent and loving creator, I would feel differently about it, but when I see the way that nature works and the absolute brutality that occurs in the animal kingdom, I see no reason to think there is a loving god, therefore, I am a theist that still wants to die. Putting aside all of the suffering that happens among humans (because a lot of it is caused by humans, even if not all of it is), the things that happen in nature are enough to make me suicidal. If a lightning strike can cause a wildfire during a drought, which then leads to wild animals being burned alive, then those very same things could happen to me, or you, or any one of us. If a god designed a universe where these things can happen, then it must either be apathetic or sadistic. Regardless of whether or not a god exists, that is not a world that I want to be a part of, therefore it seems like a valid reason to be suicidal. If you think this reason is invalid, then maybe you could explain why.
Based on your response, I would have to say that your own personal bias against non-belief has led to you assuming that atheism is the reason for people being suicidal. You also seem to not realize that some of us are suicidal because we know that physical health problems that will result in a hellish existence are inevitable (even if we don't all have them yet). These things could be something that happens suddenly and unexpectedly or things that happen slowly and get worse over time. Perhaps knowing that these things are likely is enough to cause someone to feel suicidal because they want to avoid those things happening. Maybe that is not the case for you, but it is for me. It wouldn't matter if I was an atheist or theist, I would still feel the way I do about this regardless.
Maybe it would be a good idea for you to think about the response you gave all over again and consider whether or not you might be incorrect in your conclusions. Responses like yours that don't appear to have much thought put into them, are no different than a forced lifer that has no understanding of what we are feeling, telling us that our reasons for considering suicide are invalid and using pro-life platitudes to convince us of why we are wrong.
Was it in the Hitchhicker that Adams wrote this line? Or was it in another one of his books?
"Who is this God guy anyway?"
It's the Guide, yes. IMO he was quite insightful in many areas but hid it beneath humour. The Guide has always been my favourite book.
Let's all take a moment and recognize the balls it takes to write this on Sanctioned Suicide.
And now let's take a moment to feel good about ourselves because we, at least, didn't write that.
Signed
Yours truly,
"Suicidal folk"
jrums
Student
- Apr 14, 2019
- 134
Dude you believe in an invisible man in the sky lol. You are like a child. All you have to be is a logical person to be an atheist. I was raised catholic and was taught all the bullshit. Then I reached the age of reason.
And not one mention of dinosaurs in the bible either. Just some vague bullshit about big creatures. Could have been referring to a bunch of things.
Enjoy your suffering btw. And I'll be in eternal nothingness not giving a fuck.
Jumper Geo
Life's a bitch and then you die.
- Feb 23, 2020
- 2,910
Yes your right, lol but if there is a God according to the bible and all powerful why couldn't he keep the Devil out of the garden, you know he hasn't got a lot of enemies so it wouldn't have taken him long to figure out, hmm who do I need to keep an eye on, lol.
Lost in a Dream
He/him - Metal head
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,771
This reminds me of a Dark Matter video where God intentionally made the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as appealing and desirable as possible. The forbidden fruit on it smelled like freshly baked cookies and then he said, "I almost forgot the most important thing! The ultra-persuasive, malicious, sneaky serpent!" The implication is that he WANTED the devil to be in the garden.
Like you were saying, if he is omniscient and omnipotent, then keeping the devil out of the garden should have been easy! If he didn't do anything to prevent it, then he either didn't care that the devil was in the garden, or wanted him to be there. It was a difficult thing to face when my faith was falling apart, but I had already twisted my brain into a pretzel to make sense of everything, so I couldn't twist it anymore.
Broken Chimera
The abyss also gazes into you
- May 27, 2019
- 972
That's his best friend, lol. If that story is true then he set humanity up to fail. Look what he did to Job. Who would follow a monster like that?
Lost in a Dream
He/him - Metal head
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,771
I always thought of the story of Job as a game of Chess between God and Satan. Job seemed to be more valued than a pawn, but he was still just a piece being used in their game. His family members who were killed to test his faith were the real pawns and the only thing God seemed to care about in that story was winning the game. He didn't give a shit that his most loyal follower was being used as a punching bag the entire time.
GoBack
Paragon
- Apr 25, 2020
- 997
GoodPersonEffed
Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
- Jan 11, 2020
- 6,727
Better than a change.org petition! Adding my signature...
GPE, atheist-leaning advisor to God
That is exactly how Genesis reads to me. Make the tree. Make Adam and Eve incapable of resisting the curiosity of knowledge. Put them together. It's a plan.
However, the devil doesn't appear in Genesis, it's merely a serpent. It's not evil that leads to temptation, it's knowledge and intelligence.
Energy into matter into life into intelligence into consciousness, evolution progresses to the point where life can overwhelm its own environment. And that's when extinction occurs as a natural check.
Genesis is a fascinatingly well written parable.
I hear God likes to keep tabs on the opposition, so I'm not surprised he chose you as advisor. I hope there was no nepotism involved and you got the job solely on your merits.
Brick In The Wall
2M Or Not 2B.
- Oct 30, 2019
- 25,158
Next thing on the list: roast us slowly over an open fire.
Everybody better put on some butter and roll around in spices: sacrificial offerings that smell and taste good are more likely to be admited to heaven.
Everybody better put on some butter and roll around in spices: sacrificial offerings that smell and taste good are more likely to be admited to heaven.
DoNotLet2
Wizard
- Oct 14, 2019
- 684
God: Dear Satan, I'm so omnipotent that I can make a world, let you rule it your own way, admit it and the people will still love me!
Satan: I don't think so.
God: Challenge accepted.
just joking of course.
Satan: I don't think so.
God: Challenge accepted.
just joking of course.
Broken Chimera
The abyss also gazes into you
- May 27, 2019
- 972
He's not the only one who he fucked over either. A lot of people were destroyed for "God's" vanity. He threw Job to the devil to see if he would break. If Yawyeh was so important wouldn't have to repeat he was the lord every few lines. That was just wrong what he did, all for his ego. And people still put that fictional character on a pedestal, ready to kill others for their non belief of a monster.
And God created the Earth and the Heavens and was pleased. And on the 7th day he rested and rejoiced in the beauty of his creation.
Devil: Hold my beer!
Devil: Hold my beer!
What if God DIDN'T make you autistic? He knew your soul before you were formed, but the pollution, epigenetic changes in your genes, etc. Led to autism? The world is evil; it is our free will to do good or evil. Perhaps the world needed YOU.
JustAnotherSuicider
Hoping for the best - expecting the worst
- Dec 28, 2019
- 98
AFAIK Satan only appeared in the Old Testament 2 or 3 times. He was God's enforcer, not an agent of evil or a fallen angel.
It wasn't until the new testament was written and monks had to answer the question 'If God is all powerful and good, why does he let suffering and evil exist?' that Satan appeared as The Devil.
They picked a character from the older books and made him into a scapegoat for the new mythology.
But it's been a long time since I read any of the Good Book, so I'd sit corrected if I'm wrong.
It wasn't until the new testament was written and monks had to answer the question 'If God is all powerful and good, why does he let suffering and evil exist?' that Satan appeared as The Devil.
They picked a character from the older books and made him into a scapegoat for the new mythology.
But it's been a long time since I read any of the Good Book, so I'd sit corrected if I'm wrong.
The Bible is foremost a narrative arc, with God gradually becoming less restrictive and more accepting from OT to NT as people show themselves unwilling or unable to obey his commands and lapse into idolatry and other sins.
Taking the OT out one story at a time to prove God is a monster destroys the beautiful narrative we are shown by the whole.
The Quran says that it is the third and final testimony God is sending, because he sent the prophets and man mocked them, he sent Jesus and man killed him, yet he is still trying to communicate with us.
Now picture yourself trying time and again to explain to your dog (as I do) that it can't eat chocolate or it will surely die; yet every time I look away it is trying to snatch a brownie or candy bar from somewhere or someone in the house.
Do I love the dog? Of course. Do I wish I could make it understand that what it's doing is wrong? Of course! Do I punish it? Yes, I take the chocolate away and talk sternly to it.
Now imagine a vastly superior being trying to share similar precepts with us, who are developed enough to think we "know better" and "God is just for superstitious cavemen."
GoodPersonEffed
Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
- Jan 11, 2020
- 6,727
God created the devil, too. And imperfect humans.
Also, in Genesis, God is one of the Elohim, there are other high beings. He says later on, in the ten commandments, have no other gods before me, so it seems there's competition. And in Genesis, his problem with gaining knowledge is that humans will be like "us," not "me," so he's got buddies. I think they're all a bunch of narcissistic, competitive, petty jerks, much like the Greek and Roman pantheon of gods, only in the Bible, the other jerks are hidden, we're only allowed to know one, and we're not allowed to know his agenda.
It all gets excused by "God works in mysterious ways" + "God is love" + "God is my shepherd" = Baaaaaaaa.
Bust out the butter and spices, and be sure to be good so you taste good! He leadeth me beside still waters? I drop in some SN before I drink. When you eat me, choke on that!
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Well expressed. If an omnipotent being exists, why do we thing we can understand it on it's own terms? It makes no sense, except for the necessary anthropomorphic elements required for our frame of reference.
satan thought himself God's equal. His pride caused the falling out. The Quran expands further - the world was given to satan because he thought he could do better @ running shit so God said "fine, before I give you the universe, i'll give you control over this one part of it." We are here because we were neutral; angels believed God and are in heaven, djinn are here because they chose satan and are trying to tempt us with this world.
Make the right choices and return to God, make the wrong ones and remain.
And much like a child or the dog, we will resent and misunderstand the loving correction of a being with an agenda we cant fathom as "he is cruel/he doesn't want me to have fun"
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Green Destiny
Life isn't worth the trouble.
- Nov 16, 2019
- 862
Don't believe in god. But if he does exist he's an inconsiderate fuckin' asshole who gets off on watching people suffer.
