Venting What do pro lifers even want?

[Soul]

I feel anti-choice is appropriate for people who are busy trying to take away others' options. Whether it's about abortion or suicide, they're butting into people's decisions about our own bodies. And "anti-choice" is short and simple.

 

[Severen]

I feel anti-choice is appropriate for people who are busy trying to take away others' options. Whether it's about abortion or suicide, they're butting into people's decisions about our own bodies. And "anti-choice" is short and simple.

That's a very nice way of saying, pro suffering though... Why be so lenient towards these people?

 

[Soul]

That's a very nice way of saying, pro suffering though... Why be so lenient towards these people?

Eliminating people's options isn't something I take lightly - to me it's one of the worst things that can be done to a person. So I'm good with anti-choice. If you prefer pro-suffering by all means use it! I'm just tired of the designation "pro-life", which is way too positive-sounding.

 

[Severen]

Many people dont get this it seems. We are adult and we are making a choice right now. Its personal. It have no side. Its what we desire. What I desire and that is to die. I dont need to answer to anyone but myself. Their views doesnt concern me. What they want dont matter and I dont care. So why do people keep wanting to butt into my business? Its none of theirs and I dont need anyone to analyze it either. They dont know me and I dont have to explain myself to anyone.

Exactly. And I'm on medication right now that is working very well for me so I can think very clearly. And I still want to CTB in the future because all I see a lifetime of pain and suffering ahead of me... I don't really see anything good in my future. Sure, I'll be able to have more $$$. Buy nicer stuff. But I don't really care so much about that shit. So it's not worth it. I don't need a house, a nice car, tons of stuff, a good job, and high status to feel like a real man. And I don't care if most men and women do not like me because I failed to meet their silly requirements. I don't get a boner, every time I can brag about being more "successful" than other people. All that shit is so childish to me... It's like bragging to a child that I have more toys than him... I don't care if women see me as a poor loser. I just don't give a fuck. I've had my fun, already anyway. And I'll never be able to become successful enough to take over the world because the people in power don't just let strangers take over the world. They would just kill me, the second I became too powerful because I'm not related to them. So then, what is the point of gaining power if I can't forge the world into something I want it to be, for the good of humanity? If I'm lucky, the most power I can achieve is a position in some company where I can boss around a bunch of average people and I see that as pointless. I don't need to pick on the weak to feel strong. I already know who I am and what I am capable of doing. I'm also not a sex addict so I don't feel the need to constantly accumulate power so I can coerce women into sleeping with me. I try very hard to suppress the animal side of me. After I die, I want the beings of the universe to recognize my soul as more than just the soul of a chimp. I want transcendence.

 

[inconsequential]

They want what most human ego desires: approval, and ass-pats.

You can have a suicidal kid, for example. Treat them like absolute shit, abuse them, and make them want to CTB, & still be declared a hero because you took them to the hospital. Keeping you alive only serves to make pro-lifers look better, and feel like they actually did something with their lives other than exist.

 

[GinaIsReady]

For me … "suicide is selfish" is just one thing that I do not get about people in this world. There are so so many things that people say and believe that make absolutely no sense to me. Honestly, I am over it. Just completely over it. I need a failproof permanent solution and am truly hoping to find help on this site. I am ready to go and soon.

 

[Severen]

For me … "suicide is selfish" is just one thing that I do not get about people in this world. There are so so many things that people say and believe that make absolutely no sense to me. Honestly, I am over it. Just completely over it. I need a permanent solution and am truly hoping to find help on this site. I am ready to go and soon.

Drinking water is selfish too. But you have to do what you have to do...

 

[ScorpiusDragon]

Yeah, if they don't like people CTBing, then they should actually seek the root causes and put an end to it or CTB themselves or STFU about it... If all these pro life people, got together and actually made the world a better place, there would be a lot less people committing suicide.

couldn't have phrased it better myself

 

[GinaIsReady]

He told me his story - he's an older man who was basically manipulated by the ABC pro-life propaganda, and crusaded here hoping to deter us from Exit with subliminal suggestions about cowardice, weakness etc.

Pathetic really.

Agree - very pathetic. Cowardice? Weakness? In my experience suicide requires great courage!

couldn't have phrased it better myself

I couldn't have said it better myself either.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Can we stop calling them "pro-lifers"? They're anti-choicers.

I call them pro-suffering.

 

[Severen]

Agree - very pathetic. Cowardice? Weakness? In my experience suicide requires great courage!

Committing suicide requires the courage of Alexander The Great or King Leonidas. Because what is more terrifying than the unknown? Nothing... Shawn Shatto is like the female version of Audie Murphy in my book.

 

[GinaIsReady]

I call them pro-suffering.

That is the perfect name.

 

[any%]

Why do we need to label people exactly? Pro-suffering is from our point of view. They might as well call us anti-fun. I am not even really at ease talkin about "we" and "us" and "them". Why does one need to create this 1-front war? Prolifers dont want to see someone suiciding, sorted. So why do I feel like some are metaphorically wanking off by belittling them?

 

[ScorpiusDragon]

Why do we need to label people exactly? Pro-suffering is from our point of view. They might as well call us anti-fun. I am not even really at ease talkin about "we" and "us" and "them". Why does one need to create this 1-front war? Prolifers dont want to see someone suiciding, sorted. So why do I feel like some are metaphorically wanking off by belittling them?

They already have a label for us. It's "mentally ill."

 

[Jessica5]

I fucking hate them.

They are the kind of people that if they saw somebody hanging, would charge, stop them, share a few "inspirational" words with them and go on with their day. They would maybe share their story for some sweet internet points. They would feel proud for "saving" a life.

In reality, what the fuck have they even saved?

They just prolonged someone's pain and suffering. They literally denied someone's salvation.

If that person survived as a brain damaged vegetable, pro-lifers would still think they've saved that person's life.

 

[Jessica5]

Committing suicide requires the courage of Alexander The Great or King Leonidas. Because what is more terrifying than the unknown? Nothing... Shawn Shatto is like the female version of Audie Murphy in my book.

TBH, the only reason why I haven't committed suicide is because I'm afraid of failing and ending up as a vegetable for decades. I don't really care about entering nothingness when I die. Nor do I even care that much about the amount of pain in the suicide. (I'm willing to endure 10 minutes of even bigger than normal pain if it spares me from 60 years of pain.)

 

[First loss]

If that person survived as a brain damaged vegetable, pro-lifers would still think they've saved that person's life.

True. That's what makes it sickening. Living a life as a brain dead lad isn't living a life at all.

 

[KnightOfEnceladus]

Sounds to me like the anti-choice squad just want to virtue-signal. They are deeply ignorant, and often also religiously-motivated. What can we do? They outnumber us.

 

[Jessica5]

Are these cousins or siblings really innocent though if someone in their family is really hurting and they reach out to them but are only told to do some Yoga or take some vitamin D?

I see guys trying to be the knight in shining armor more often than women.

Even if you are missing half your head from a failed shotgun suicide attempt, they will keep you alive to gloat over you or to pat themselves on the shoulder for being a life saver... WTF of fucked up shit is that? Even in war movies, we see soldiers killing their comrades to put them out of their misery...

I think part of the motivation for "saving" the lives of people who shoot half their face off, become quadriplegics, etc is to discourage suicide attempts from other people. They can point to these people and say "If you attempt suicide, this is what might actually happen to you. Your life will become even more shitty than it already is."

 

[NextSummer]

Repost: One has to acknowledge that there are different groups of suicidals. One group has a temporary crisis and will not attempt again, or is even happy that suicide didn't go as planned and they are more or less happy in life afterwards. Suicide prevention only cares about them and use these cases to show that their work is meaningful. The other group is suffering so hard that suicide is their only escape.

So suicide prevention makes sense for one group. But it's done on the cost of the latter. You gotta propose a system that works for both. If you argue against suicide prevention, it's like the flipside of that. Vulnerable people will suicide and loose their life, just because I want the right for a peaceful suicide. You can say "well, it's their choice" but society will never see it this way. They will favour those who have a chance to live happily ABOVE people insisting on dieing. So you have to make proposals and negoiate to find a system where suicide prevention saves people and let's insisting and thoughtful suicidals die.

 

[First loss]

I think part of the motivation for "saving" the lives of people who shoot half their face off, become quadriplegics, etc is to discourage suicide attempts from other people. They can point to these people and say "If you attempt suicide, this is what might actually happen to you. Your life will become even more shitty than it already is."

Makes sense. It's terribly cruel to leave someone alive with half of the face missing and claim you did a good deed.

I remember a video I watched somewhere. There was a guy with the higher half of his head shot off by a shotgun or something. He only had the lower jaw. It was a video of him eating. It was sad to watch. He also lost the enzymes that were digesting food in his mouth so he had to eat it wet. Simply saddening and disgusting.

 

[any%]

They already have a label for us. It's "mentally ill."

Ok, so eye for an eye is what you are going for?
EDIT: I mean I am aware about all these labels and people put all kinds of labes on me, but my intention is how can we break out of these absolutely inaccurate labels and create some real communication which benefits both "parties" (and you can even break each party down to several sub-parties, like some already implied). And I just think we wont change anything for the better if we just keep calling each other stupid "names". I hope I could explain it a little bit, sry english is not my mother tongue.

 

[Jessica5]

People are legally allowed to refuse medical care under practically all circumstances except suicide attempts. If you have a heart attack, and you're conscious, you have the right to tell the doctors to do nothing and just let you die. Granted that doctors don't always honor those requests, even though they're legally required to do so.

If you commit suicide it all flips. You have to get medical care, even if you are conscious and are telling the docs to let you die.

The reasoning (to the extent there is reasoning) seems to be that anybody who attempted suicide isn't in a sound state of mind, and thus can not make their own decisions.

 

[Alan James]

The reasoning (to the extent there is reasoning) seems to be that anybody who attempted suicide isn't in a sound state of mind, and thus can not make their own decisions.

I could never understand what is abnormal about not wanting to suffer? Is being a masochist normal? What is abnormal in wanting to die if for example you are terminally ill with cancer and still die anyway? They offer their so-called "palliative care" - they can stick it in their ass, in reality this means lying down and slowly rotting alive in diapers and your own urine. Why do I need your "palliative care", how does it make sense if I am terminally ill and die anyway? Why should I lie down and slowly wait for death?

 

[Jessica5]

I could never understand what is abnormal about not wanting to suffer? Is being a masochist normal? What is abnormal in wanting to die if for example you are terminally ill with cancer and still die anyway? They offer their so-called "palliative care" - they can stick it in their ass, in reality this means lying down and slowly rotting alive in diapers and your own urine. Why do I need your "palliative care", how does it make sense if I am terminally ill and die anyway? Why should I lie down and slowly wait for death?

You're allowed to refuse life-extending medical care if you're terminally ill. You're only forbidden from committing assisted suicide and actively hastening your death. (In every state except for Oregon and maybe Washington.) It's the killing (assisted suicide) vs letting die (not providing medical care) distinction.

People who attempt suicide are basically in a class of their own where they can't be allowed to let die even if they want to die. I mean, look at pictures of the people who survive shotguns to the head. Do you seriously think that any of them would have survived if the doctors had done absolutely nothing? It's not like they needed the doctors to give them deadly medication or shoot them a second time- they just needed the doctors to do absolutely nothing.

 

[Severen]

I think part of the motivation for "saving" the lives of people who shoot half their face off, become quadriplegics, etc is to discourage suicide attempts from other people. They can point to these people and say "If you attempt suicide, this is what might actually happen to you. Your life will become even more shitty than it already is."

That's so fucked up though. Turning an innocent man into a circus freak to discourage people who most likley have a good reason to commit suicide...

TBH, the only reason why I haven't committed suicide is because I'm afraid of failing and ending up as a vegetable for decades. I don't really care about entering nothingness when I die. Nor do I even care that much about the amount of pain in the suicide. (I'm willing to endure 10 minutes of even bigger than normal pain if it spares me from 60 years of pain.)

I plan on dealing with that by just taking a shitload of N. Enough to kill an elephant.