What are the chances of surviving an SN attempt?

[left0vers]

Assuming you do the food fast, the water fast, take the antiemetics, use the right amount of water and the right amount of SN, and nobody finds you for 12+ hours. Is death pretty much guaranteed, or could throwing up too much (while unconscious) screw up the chance of succeeding? Has any member gone through with the protocol and ended up surviving?

 

[ZeroRedz02]

50% and 50% i think

 

[left0vers]

50% and 50% i think

Surely the success rate can't be that low?

 

[dustoff]

there's antidote and this poison act not as fast and effective as cyanide. it's a russian roulette without protocol following and many other rituals to increase lethality

 

[ZeroRedz02]

Surely the success rate can't be that low?

If not then i think it will be a 80% success rate against the 20% of failure in your situation.

there's antidote and this poison act not as fast and effective as cyanide. it's a russian roulette without protocol following and many other rituals to increase lethality

Now i know the 2nd antidote but there is even a third antidote? They are methylene blue, cyanide and i think there is another one??? But it was only as a relief? Idk..

 

[_Gollum_]

PPeH has the "reliability" at 70%, which seems about right to me. 70-80% I'd say. They say this is mainly due to the fact that larger quantities of SN are needed in order for it to be fatal (compared to other toxic salts), which increases the chances of throwing up.

 

[ZeroRedz02]

Assuming you do the food fast, the water fast, take the antiemetics, use the right amount of water and the right amount of SN, and nobody finds you for 12+ hours. Is death pretty much guaranteed, or could throwing up too much (while unconscious) screw up the chance of succeeding? Has any member gone through with the protocol and ended up surviving?

Also if you add distillated water it will be a more reliable death, cause mineral and tap water interfere with SN in water and it could turn to nitrate if it isn't distillated water i don't know how much of it will turn in nitrate so be careful on what you do.

PPeH has the "reliability" at 70%, which seems about right to me. 70-80% I'd say. They say this is mainly due to the fact that larger quantities of SN are needed in order for it to be fatal (compared to other toxic salts), which increases the chances of throwing up.

This is why following body weight dose about SN is recommended isn't it?

If my SI wouldn't fuck me up i will drink about 22-23 grams of SN. (My body weight is estimated to be around 75 kg and maybe more than that)

 

[left0vers]

there's antidote and this poison act not as fast and effective as cyanide. it's a russian roulette without protocol following and many other rituals to increase lethality

Yeah, but if your body isn't discovered for 12 hours or longer, there'd be no point in the antidote, no?

PPeH has the "reliability" at 70%, which seems about right to me. 70-80% I'd say. They say this is mainly due to the fact that larger quantities of SN are needed in order for it to be fatal (compared to other toxic salts), which increases the chances of throwing up.

Jesus. 30% probability you become a disability case. Great.

Also if you add distillated water it will be a more reliable death, cause mineral and tap water interfere with SN in water and it could turn to nitrate if it isn't distillated water i don't know how much of it will turn in nitrate so be careful on what you do.

This is why following body weight dose about SN is recommended isn't it?

If my SI wouldn't fuck me up i will drink about 22-23 grams of SN. (My body weight is estimated to be around 75 kg and maybe more than that)

How would one get distilled water?

 

[WoodsGK]

How would one get distilled water?

Grocery store.

 

[bruised_reed]

Jesus. 30% probability you become a disability case. Great.

Most people recover completely if they are rescued and the antidote is administered. There is a low chance of disability.

 

[left0vers]

Most people recover completely if they are rescued and the antidote is administered. There is a low chance of disability.

It's just hard to believe that you can be hypoxic for hours and it doesn't do any permanent damage. Especially in the case that the antidote is not administered if no one calls the ambulance or the doctors don't know what the poison is.

Grocery store.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what "mineral water" is supposed to mean, but all still water they sell here has mineral additives.
Edit: by that i mean things like calcium, magnesium, hydrocarbonates, sulfates.

 

[WoodsGK]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what "mineral water" is supposed to mean, but all still water they sell here has mineral additives.
Edit: by that i mean things like calcium, magnesium, hydrocarbonates, sulfates.

Distilled water is boiled into steam and condensed back into liquid, which strips out all naturally occurring minerals like calcium, magnesium, and sodium, leaving it as pure H₂O. At least in labs, when experiments call for H₂O, store bought distilled water is okay.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

50% and 50% i think

It wouldn't be such a popular method if that were true. Not many people would accept those odds.

I've only been here since November, but so many members have CTB'd with it since then. You may have read a small fraction of those posts in the month that you've been here.

 

[left0vers]

It wouldn't be such a popular method if that were true. Not many people would accept those odds.

I've only been here since November, but so many members have CTB'd with it since then. You may have read a small fraction of those posts in the month that you've been here.

I generally agree, however we don't know what portion of the posters who went offline after making a goodbye thread did not die and instead became too disabled to be on the internet. I want to believe that this happened to no one, but there's no way to be sure, I think.

 

[HNR_]

For what it's worth, I feel like the PPH and people here mentioned puking being a bigger, more common issue than permanent brain damage (without taking into account antiemetics, which would lower the chances of survival even more)

 

[ZeroRedz02]

For what it's worth, I feel like the PPH and people here mentioned puking being a bigger, more common issue than permanent brain damage (without taking into account antiemetics, which would lower the chances of survival even more)

Now i know that people who will follow PPH would puke, now i want to know what happens who follow Vizzy's Protocol.

I am still want to get informations while my brain is enabled and not disabled. Then i will CTB, only when i will stack all the good informations for doing it or so.

 

[BradGuy123]

Also if you add distillated water it will be a more reliable death, cause mineral and tap water interfere with SN in water and it could turn to nitrate if it isn't distillated water i don't know how much of it will turn in nitrate so be careful on what you do.

Out of all the posts I've seen about SN I've never seen anyone mentioned distilled water, but it makes sense. Tap water does have a lot of chemicals added to it.

 

[ZeroRedz02]

Out of all the posts I've seen about SN I've never seen anyone mentioned distilled water, but it makes sense. Tap water does have a lot of chemicals added to it.

Yes for treating it, you get that mention on the suicide wiki it's a useful page to see.

 

[_Gollum_]

Jesus. 30% probability you become a disability case. Great.

As other posters have said, SN is a pretty safe method in terms of risk of disability.

I would also add that this is all "citizen science"; we can't exactly give SN to 100 people (in conformity with the protocol) and then observe what percentage die. We're working off a limited amount of bad data. So all we can do is make our best guesses and then add some margin for error.

 

[tree.sn]

There are so many protocols on here it sometimes gets confusing. There was a user on here recently who took multiple small doses of SN and almost died but he called the ambulance himself. I'm thinking about doing it this way.

 

[0dysseus]

If not then i think it will be a 80% success rate against the 20% of failure in your situation.

Now i know the 2nd antidote but there is even a third antidote? They are methylene blue, cyanide and i think there is another one??? But it was only as a relief? Idk..

What, where are you getting these numbers from?????

 

[ZeroRedz02]

What, where are you getting these numbers from?????

Purely my head.
But i could ask to ChatGPT if you wanna lol

 

[0dysseus]

As other posters have said, SN is a pretty safe method in terms of risk of disability.

I would also add that this is all "citizen science"; we can't exactly give SN to 100 people (in conformity with the protocol) and then observe what percentage die. We're working off a limited amount of bad data. So all we can do is make our best guesses and then add some margin for error.

There are things called survivability rate, I'm sure there some online.

But in any case, the longer I read about SN, the longer I fear it and would definitely prefer, prepping a full suspension hanging, and drugging myself like crazy beforehand.

 

[left0vers]

There are things called survivability rate, I'm sure there some online.

But in any case, the longer I read about SN, the longer I fear it and would definitely prefer, prepping a full suspension hanging, and drugging myself like crazy beforehand.

Do you fear the pain or the unreliability?

 

[Intoxicated]

50% and 50% i think

That reminds me of the anecdote:

- What are the chances that you will meet a dinosaur in the street?
- 50%.
- ?
- Well, either I'll meet him or I won't meet him.

I guess, the same kind of logic applies here.

Now i know the 2nd antidote but there is even a third antidote? They are methylene blue, cyanide and i think there is another one??? But it was only as a relief? Idk..

SN is an antidote for cyanides, not vice versa...

Also if you add distillated water it will be a more reliable death, cause mineral and tap water interfere with SN in water and it could turn to nitrate if it isn't distillated water i don't know how much of it will turn in nitrate so be careful on what you do.

There is no any significant interaction between substances dissolved in tap water and SN. Using tap water for making a lethal SN drink is absolutely fine. Distilled water is only recommended for testing SN with strips, since they presumably may be sensitive to ions present in tap water.

 

[ZeroRedz02]

That reminds me of the anecdote:

- What are the chances that you will meet a dinosaur in the street?
- 50%.
- ?
- Well, either I'll meet him or I won't meet him.

I guess, the same kind of logic applies here.

SN is an antidote for cyanides, not vice versa...

There is no any significant interaction between substances dissolved in tap water and SN. Using tap water for making a lethal SN drink is absolutely fine. Distilled water is only recommended for testing SN with strips, since they presumably may be sensitive to ions present in tap water.

I know that we are in the same comment of the dinosaur but what are "ions" btw ChatGPT said it would affected in a significant way the tap water or distillated water choice.

 

[zipzamoly1]

50% and 50% i think

Pretty much.

50% chance excruciating pain and then brain damage or %50 excruciating pain and death

 

[ZeroRedz02]

Pretty much.

50% chance excruciating pain and then brain damage or %50 excruciating pain and death

I will risk it thanks..

 

[zipzamoly1]

I will risk it thanks..

I wasn't trying to stop you, just answering your question. I'm planning to do it too

 

[tooafraidtodiez]

Pretty much.

50% chance excruciating pain and then brain damage or %50 excruciating pain and death

No it's more like 80/20 if you can drink the whole 25g even if you vomit. My question is how do you know it's excruciating pain? People said it's less painful than drowning but no one knows for sure.