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[HadEnough1974]

They wanted to destroy us.
How does that look like it's going?

Everyone, time to de-escalate. Focus on being there for each other.

Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I'm out.

 

[Quarky00]

I'm sorry but you left me no choice .

 

[Eurus]

I don't understand the owl petting picture

 

[Quarky00]

I don't understand the owl petting picture

Serenity now !

 

[Lethe]

And you haven't been exploiting Stan's death?

Props for pointing out what we were all thinking, hehe.

Speaking of Stan, now would be a perfect time for one of his popcorn gifs methinks.

 

[-Link-]

People are always reaching for the quick fix, especially politicians and the media... But quick fixes most often don't actually wind up fixing anything at all... sometimes make a situation worse, even.

Put your efforts into improving community mental health and social services (long-term fixes) instead of playing wack-a-mole with websites whose content you don't agree with (fruitless quick fixes).

Did this girl have ready access to a psychiatrist? A therapist? Peer support groups? One-on-one and group CBT or DBT? Were they or would they have been affordable? Was she on disability support, and if so, how much was she receiving and how much red tape and hoops did she have to jump through? Did she feel her issues were validated? Were schools or workplaces accommodating? Did she feel secure in her future? Did she come to this website right away, or did she come here only after being failed over however many months or years and however many times by a completely broken system?

 

[Despondent]

They're taking this way out of context.
I'm going to say this, I am TRULY sorry for their loss. I really am. I still support pro-choice. But we "celebrate" this? To hell we don't, sorry but I'm not sorry. We don't take humour or get some form of rise from any goodbye thread or death, nor do we sit here and glorify it whatsoever. You don't see comments glorifying it at all. I'd like them to show us some proof. Apparently I've been living under a rock?.. lol Is it because we wish them well, and a peaceful journey? Is that us glorifying it? Because that's not the case!

 

[Majin K.]

Without this site I would probably throw myself in front of a train, but thanks to this site I've found more humane methods. God forbid people end their own suffering or choose a method that isn't gory.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

And I would join him and give up mine. Even though I am easy to find since I openly have said I am a 9/11 First Responder who testified in front of Congress.

Oh. I was the only female to do so. Watch the hearings, see the female with oxygen... and that is me.

Jon Stewart and Advocates Testify on 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund Hearing

A House Judiciary subcommittee held a hearing on reauthorizing the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund. Among the witnesses were several first responders and survivors suffering from 9/11-related illnesses. Also providing testimony was comedian Jon Stewart, a longtime advocate for 9/11...

www.c-span.org

No female first responder testified. Different hearing?

 

[Jean4]

Jon Stewart and Advocates Testify on 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund Hearing

A House Judiciary subcommittee held a hearing on reauthorizing the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund. Among the witnesses were several first responders and survivors suffering from 9/11-related illnesses. Also providing testimony was comedian Jon Stewart, a longtime advocate for 9/11...

www.c-span.org

No female first responder testified. Different hearing?

Yes. There were many. It went on for many years lol. Do you know about the fight we went through?

 

[Quarky00]

News lie .

We're here to find peace

Not get furious

. . . . .

Weeeeeeeeee

 

[Jean4]

Here is an example in 2015 there were 22 hearings. They had them every year. I didn't say which year did I? ;)

Congress Holds 22 Hearings on the 9/11 Attacks, and 21 on Benghazi

None

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Anon2662]

I'd hate to think that when I CTB if my mum somehow found out about this site and falsely believed it was because of this forum that members would ridicule her and put the blame on her for my death. The thought makes me angry. My mum couldn't be kinder and I know I'm lucky to have her. But I won't tell her what's really going on with me because I don't want to put her through that or for her opinion of me to change. Doesn't mean it'll be her fault when I ctb. Many people on this forum admitted they put on a front for their loved ones.. maybe that's what happened in Shawn's case so it was a complete shock for her parents and they're merely looking for a reason. They may not be correct but I don't blame them for thinking that. Everyone grieves differently. Let's all just be kind please. There's enough hurting happening already in this forum. Let's not add more

 

[omoidarui]

That being said, the behavior of some of our members in recent days has been absolutely callous. Fighting for our forum is one thing, but ridiculing and terrorizing Shawn's grieving parents? Posting memes calling them "shit parents" and blaming them for Shawn's decision? Mocking their physical appearance?

i regret it. i didn't mean it in a callous way as such but i compared the step-father to some actor, i apologise to Chip.

i kno i like to be silly in my posts but yh i crossed the line.

like i said on the other topic, my heart really does ache for this family.

 

[Pryras]

If I caught the bus I'm 110% sure my mother would find every way to contact and blame the man who hurt me, (while he did contribute to my depression would not be the sole reason I CTB). It's grasping for something when you have no answers (or refuse to accept, in their family's case, that their daughter was suicidal) the site didn't contribute anything that wasn't there already, merely gave her options of a peaceful way out. Obviously the parents do not see it for what it is but I can't blame them, they are grieving parents.

My mother was abusive and absolute hell to grow up with but would never accept that her actions made me suicidal at all. I don't agree with the parents or the news story (because this site has kept me alive) but I understand where it's coming from.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

Many people find anger in grief. I did. It's a very powerful force. People with this sort of anger never give up and never go away.

It's like The Punisher

 

[Dear Flabby]

Anytime a family is grieving, condolences are in order. This sort of loss is carried for decades.

As far as I am aware, the First Amendment continues to protect Freedom of Speech in the United States.

It is not illegal to discuss suicide.

A similar example that many US citizens can relate to is :

The legal right to discuss which assault rifle is best for home protection.

Many US citizens favor monitored alarm companies for home protection, but they must respect the legal rights of their neighbors to talk about (and implement) more "hands on " security. Sadly, some people may die as a result of this liberty, and also the related Second Amendment Freedom that sets the US apart.

A 21 year old person is legally an adult in all of the 50 States. They are clearly allowed their First and Second Amendment Rights and Freedoms.

This website is not in violation of the proposed "Shawn's Law".

We discuss suicide. We do not promote it.
The research materials can be found many other places, and are for information purposes only.

Our site is a safe space to discuss our most painful experiences. I found myself stepping back from the exit because I found acceptance here.

 

[autumnal]

"Those people don't want to end their life. They just want to end their pain, because I know she would never want to leave us," Bieber said.​

I know it's just a couple of sentences, but this statement really stood out to me. I think the mother may be so upset at the idea that her daughter was willing to suicide and inadvertantly hurt the parents that instead she is distracting herself with blaming the forum itself.

 

[Largeletters]

Damn... that's crazy. Although I don't believe this site "pushes" anyone. Nor use suicides as success stories. The article seems like utter bullshit to me.

 

[Jean4]

"Those people don't want to end their life. They just want to end their pain, because I know she would never want to leave us," Bieber said.​

I know it's just a couple of sentences, but this statement really stood out to me. I think the mother may be so upset at the idea that her daughter was willing to suicide and inadvertantly hurt the parents that instead she is distracting herself with blaming the forum itself.

Nicely stated.

 

[Defcon5]

Nicely said.

Screen shot this. Maybe if the parents put this much time and effort into their daughter when she was alive, she wouldn't have to come here.

But isn't that usually the way?

WOW Jean. I cannot believe you actually said that. As someone who has a tremendous amount of respect for what you do here, I truly hope this was said in anger and you don't actually believe it.
No one is responsible for someone else's suicide but as a mother to two perfect little boys, I cannot fathom the pain Shawn's parents are in and how I would respond in their position. It wouldn't be very graceful. I know that.

In the end there will be no way for anyone to stop me nor is there a cure for me or resource that could change my mind. It's devastating to our community as a whole to gaslight the family or place blame anywhere, especially them. Please stop. The only way to mitigate finger pointing to us or anyone else, is education and an open line of communication.

 

[HadEnough1974]

WOW Jean. I cannot believe you actually said that. As someone who has a tremendous amount of respect for what you do here, I truly hope this was said in anger and you don't actually believe it.
No one is responsible for someone else's suicide but as a mother to two perfect little boys, I cannot fathom the pain Shawn's parents are in and how I would respond in their position. It wouldn't be very graceful. I know that.

In the end there will be no way for anyone to stop me nor is there a cure for me or resource that could change my mind. It's devastating to our community as a whole to gaslight the family or place blame anywhere, especially them. Please stop. The only way to mitigate finger pointing to us or anyone else, is education and an open line of communication.

That and de-escalation... thank you.

 

[Quarky00]

Understanding shown here for family has touched me I know it's mixed with resentment. And pain. (many here abused and ignored)

I understand family's anger. Blinded with pain. I more than understand our anger. Sad state of affairs... Pain never ends, does it?

Thank you .

 

[HadEnough1974]

Understanding shown here for family has touched me I know it's mixed with resentment. And pain. (many here abused and ignored)

I understand family's anger. Blinded with pain. I more than understand our anger. Sad state of affairs... Pain never ends, does it?

Thank you .

Thank you. It's important that we show empathy and understanding even to those who hate us. Black people were vilified and Dr. King reached out and built coalitions. Sure, he was assassinated, but that's beside the point.

GLBT people were vilified and killed throughout history.

We can't hate the family or demean them in their grief. No matter what they say about us, we must advocate for better care.

We are here because we fell through the cracks. The grieving family's daughter most likely also fell through the cracks.

Just as a white person, I can never feel the pain of racial discrimination, people who don't suffer from depression and anxiety can't understand our pain and suffering.

Those are my thoughts.

 

[Broken Chimera]

I just want to ask, why is she monitoring the site? What is she hoping to gain? She's torturing herself reliving her daughters death. Even if she's successful in destroying this site, it won't bring her daughter back and it won't stop suicide. If anything people would just pick more painful methods to do it.

If you're reading this I hope you can recover from losing your daughter. I hope you find peace in your life, but this campaign against the site won't bring her back.

 

[Carina]

I just want to ask, why is she monitoring the site? What is she hoping to gain? She's torturing herself reliving her daughters death. Even if she's successful in destroying this site, it won't bring her daughter back and it won't stop suicide. If anything people would just pick more painful methods to do it.

If you're reading this I hope you can recover from losing your daughter. I hope you find peace in your life, but this campaign against the site won't bring her back.

One friend of mine made the commend to me once "grieve but don't linger" Sadly in cases like this the person like the mother is doing the opposite, she's lingering, and not really grieving.

Most ironic part, most of us wouldn't even know who they were if not for the mother and media keep on bringing it up.

We all like to think and hope we and people we know are important, but really we are only to our loved ones. No one else cares.

 

[Apathy79]

I just want to ask, why is she monitoring the site? What is she hoping to gain? She's torturing herself reliving her daughters death. Even if she's successful in destroying this site, it won't bring her daughter back and it won't stop suicide. If anything people would just pick more painful methods to do it.

If you're reading this I hope you can recover from losing your daughter. I hope you find peace in your life, but this campaign against the site won't bring her back.

I found when grieving, there comes a point where feeling anything is preferable to the emptiness. Grief and anger might feel negative to most people, but they are huge steps up from that.

 

[rntmss]

What a load of shit. Nobody celebrates a loss of a forum member here. We just pay respect to their journey.

Every "Goodbye" thread is filled with positive messages and people making sure the CTB-ee is ready to make their decision.

There is nothing vile or horrid about this place.

 

[Apathy79]

I think on this site everyone is acutely aware of what emotional pain and suffering feels like. Hopefully we can respond in the way we'd like others to respond to us. We don't have to agree on everything.