Welcome Pro Lifers

[Carina]

So if someone questions or fights, it is paranoia, and, OMG, the entire forum will be destroyed? Some can be vicious with a free pass, but others cannot? Those without a free pass get guilt-tripped into backing off because only they are stressing hurting people?

All of the quoted above is silencing, shaming, and utter hyperbole. Do you know how many fights have been on this forum since it began? Forum still going -- the real paranoia is in assuming that debate and argument are going to make the site spontaneously implode.

What happened to this thread is that it began with outwardly-directed aggression, but aggression nonetheless. This ain't no kumbaya fest. Not everyone agrees with what was expressed in the OP nor how, and this is an adult forum, not a parochial grade-school classroom where the teacher and the dogma rule, and questioning students get dressed down, shamed, put in the corner, knocked on the knuckes with a ruler, and/or suspended.

What happened on this provocative and increasingly incendiary thread is free speech, with no mod interference.

In over 26 hours, the mods have yet to delete any comments (to my knowledge) or shut the thread down, in spite of the Rules and FAQ, which, by the way, are noted in that thread to be flexible, so I'm not throwing blame the mods' way, either. I cite from the rules and other important information in that document:


Do not....make threads to get other people riled up.


These rules are general guidelines and are very flexible. You WILL be warned or banned if you attempt to circumvent any of the rules.


[T]here might be days where the forum is in the public eye....Help us keep the peace during these times by calming other users and not creating panic by making threads about it.

I didn't even care to reply, but you quoted me... so it makes me feel like I must out of kindness.

On a site where a single word can be the difference between a goodbye and another day, and we all know it, and there are people who are frightened. So a thread just telling the others who are watching who to contact is useful, since they are here.

But I am shocked that you apparently spent what's been probably year(s) on this site in guest mode before registering since you brought up how many fights since the beginning. But you know what? It doesn't matter. What HAS happened (even if it has) doesn't mean it should continue.

We wish people peace when they leave because they don't have it in life. Maybe we should be wishing peace to people in life while we are still here, and doing what we can to make it peaceful for them.

 

[-Link-]

I don't understand why @HopeDiesLast seems to be spoiling for an argument. Something has happened to change this place the care and support seems to be diminishing.

Really? I've never felt there to be more support here than there is now.

This is just a couple threads regarding a single case, and this much has become quite ugly, but I feel like the site as a whole has maintained a healthy level of support.

We are like a family here. As a family, we will fight sometimes, but in the end, we're here for each other.

 

[Viola]

So if someone questions or fights, it is paranoia, and, OMG, the entire forum will be destroyed? Some can be vicious with a free pass, but others cannot? Those without a free pass get guilt-tripped into backing off because only they are stressing hurting people?

All of the quoted above is silencing, shaming, and utter hyperbole. Do you know how many fights have been on this forum since it began? Forum still going -- the real paranoia is in assuming that debate and argument are going to make the site spontaneously implode.

What happened to this thread is that it began with outwardly-directed aggression, but aggression nonetheless. This ain't no kumbaya fest. Not everyone agrees with what was expressed in the OP nor how, and this is an adult forum, not a parochial grade-school classroom where the teacher and the dogma rule, and questioning students get dressed down, shamed, put in the corner, knocked on the knuckes with a ruler, and/or suspended [edit: pro-life dogma is the exception that results not in suspension but expulsion].

What happened on this provocative and increasingly incendiary thread is free speech, with no mod interference.

In over 26 hours, the mods have yet to delete any comments (to my knowledge) or shut the thread down, in spite of the Rules and FAQ, which, by the way, are noted in that thread to be flexible, so I'm not throwing blame the mods' way, either. I cite from the rules and other important information in that document:


Do not....make threads to get other people riled up.


These rules are general guidelines and are very flexible. You WILL be warned or banned if you attempt to circumvent any of the rules.


[T]here might be days where the forum is in the public eye....Help us keep the peace during these times by calming other users and not creating panic by making threads about it.

I thought it was vicious to bring Stan into it..Knowing he was cared about and using his name to poke at somebody, saying 'Stan would agree'. As has already been said it was 'below the belt'.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Just delete this thread please it's pretty disgraceful

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I really have no words left.

 

[Despondent]

I really don't wish to be involved in this at all.. but could we please try and de-escalate this?.. when it seems like the world is against us, we need to stick together. No matter our personal opinions. At the end of the day, we all share the same opinion on one topic. That's pro-choice. This is pretty discouraging.. I really don't want this family to fall apart. We're being attacked as it is..

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

But I am shocked that you apparently spent what's been probably year(s) on this site in guest mode before registering since you brought up how many fights since the beginning.

I'll gladly address your concern with transparency.

In researching ctb methods, I came across this site and used it as a resource for a few months before signing up and actively participating.

Since becoming a member in January, I have read a lot of threads. Oftentimes they come up as related threads at the bottom of the one currently being read. Just last night, that very thing happened, and I read a 3-4 page fight that started when an OP complained about his roommate having sex and her boyfriend being aggressive to the OP. In his goodbye thread, which is bumped almost daily, Stan mentioned there have been fights on SS.

I hope this alleviates your concern.

 

[Majin K.]

Did even a single one person that's against suicide show up for this debate?

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Did even a single one person that's against suicide show up for this debate?

I can mime this person if you'd like me to.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

Did even a single one person that's against suicide show up for this debate?

LMFAO!!!❤

 

[Carina]

I'll gladly address your concern with transparency.

In researching ctb methods, I came across this site and used it as a resource for a few months before signing up and actively participating.

Since becoming a member in January, I have read a lot of threads. Oftentimes they come up as related threads at the bottom of the one currently being read. Just last night, that very thing happened, and I read a 3-4 page fight that started when an OP complained about his roommate having sex and her boyfriend being aggressive to the OP. In his goodbye thread, which is bumped almost daily, Stan mentioned there have been fights on SS.

I hope this alleviates your concern.

Other point still stands that I made that it didn't matter. Still there are currently about 30,928 threads on this forum, things like that would not be anywhere near a main focus, nor should they be. Focusing on peace is the only importance. People's mental state is of upmost importance with everything else secondary.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I thought it was vicious to bring Stan into it..Knowing he was cared about and using his name to poke at somebody, saying 'Stan would agree'. As has already been said it was 'below the belt'.

Thank you for clarifying. The only context I had was the order of comments, not what your comment was specifically about.

This is not directed at you, @Viola, but there is a lot of aggression on this thread. What I've observed, and that I alluded to in my previous comment, is that some folks seem to get a pass for aggression in this space, while others are shamed. Either it's all wrong, or it's all okay.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

Funny thing is the "cult of Stan" didn't exist while he was alive.

Nor did he go around asserting his opinions in the name of anyone else in this forum beside himself.

It's funny how popularity by affiliation has developed into a sub cult of the forum to the point where anyone who speaks against it is somehow vilified.

All it does is serve to reinforce this subcult's mentality and behavior while eliminating free speech as well as the ability to formulate and express independent opinions.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Other point still stands that I made that it didn't matter. Still there are currently about 30,928 threads on this forum, things like that would not be anywhere near a main focus, nor should they be. Focusing on peace is the only importance. People's mental state is of upmost importance with everything else secondary.

If it didn't matter, why make the accusation at all?

I would argue that focusing on suicide is the only importance here, all else is secondary and subjective. There is nothing in the rules that dictates what threads to focus on, nor how to approach them.

I accept that for you personally, there are things that are of the utmost importance, but I do not have to walk the talk you dictate. I am certain you would criticize my gait and foot placement, and I already walk just fine.

 

[Carina]

If it didn't matter, why make the accusation at all?

I would argue that focusing on suicide is the only importance here, all else is secondary and subjective. There is nothing in the rules that dictates what threads to focus on, nor how to approach them.

I accept that for you personally, there are things that are of the utmost importance, but I do not have to walk the talk you dictate. I am certain you would criticize my gait and foot placement, and I already walk just fine.

You took the one part of my reply, and ignored the other that said basically even if it HAD happened it doesn't mean it should in the future.

You just wanted to prove it did (which was just you saying it did, which sure I don't care to check), and ignored my main thought of the post. It's really obvious you did that. But whatever, it was your choice to do so.

And here's the big thing... Me saying it shouldn't be that way was because of what the focus here should be--so you ignored my topic, implied that I only said things on fighting, just to make the same basic point I did. (see below)



But as I said, you can choose whatever you want in life, including in replies, and reading.

 

[Majin K.]

LMFAO!!!❤

I'm sorry, but I haven't been keeping up.

 

[Quarky00]

Going public on Facebook and/or Media , one better have campaign and strategy , because there's no rules or limits there ; both criminally implicated by both Congress and Commons -- no mans land . I do not know the exact details but never splash in a tsunami prone area (unless you can control the waves). That's true for SS , FB , Media , and grieving parents .

To reiterate others (1) I want nothing to do with this thread , (2) Plz de-escalate asap Reminder: we're not here for "free speech" ; we are dying .

I'm actually surprised that this thread hasn't been locked yet

I'm not .
No @SinisterKid .
So here we go :

Just STOP, thats it, stop.
Put your opinions, your beliefs, your ideologies aside and ask yourself why a place like this exists. Not what it can do for you or for anyone else, why is it here? That is the single most important question that every single person needs to address.

Its not here to shock. Its not here to encourage life or death. Its not here to glorify anything. Its not here as the sole resource of methods for ending life.

Its here because the people who oppose it are so small minded they are not able to put their beliefs, opinions and ideologies to one side and see it for what it is. A safe place for people to discuss their greatest hopes and fears without judgement, without prejudice or persecution, which does not exist in the real world. You have all failed those who needed you most. You forced them into a corner with nowhere left to go and this place was born, out of the desperation of those you failed.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Going public on Facebook and/or Media , one better have campaign and strategy , because there's no rules or limits there ; criminally implicated by both Congress and Commons -- it's a no mans land . I do not know the exact details but never splash in a tsunami prone area (unless you can control the waves). That's true for SS , FB , Media , and grieving parents .

To reiterate others (1) I want nothing to do with this thread , (2) Plz de-escalate asap Reminder: we're not here for "free speech" .


I'm not .
No @SinisterKid .
So here we go :

Damn but I miss SK. Even when he's not here he brings it. Please listen to these words. Please.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

If you go public on Facebook and/or Media , better have campaign and strategy , because they have no rules or limits , criminally implicated by both Congress and Commons -- it's a no mans land . I have no idea what happened , but never make a splash in a tsunami prone area , unless you can control the waves .

To reiterate others here : (1) I want nothing to do with this thread , (2) Plz de-escalate asap


I'm not . No @SinisterKid . So there we go :

I dont think the thread should be locked. It's a form of suppression of free speech.

If only "love fests" are allowed the sub cult continues and those who dont feel empowered to speak for whatever reason then go silent; or worse pretend to agree with the sub cult out of fear of being unpopular or not getting the personal support they so deserve when they need it most.

 

[Quarky00]

It's a form of suppression of free speech.

Re read what I wrote , we are not here for "free speech" . I did not come to SS to "express opinions" . I came here to die .

I don't care if it's locked . So another derailment of subject . Locked is not even up to us -- so another philosophical theoretical issue that helps no one ...... I guess I need to reiterate (re-read SK's entire original post) --

Put your opinions, your beliefs, your ideologies aside and ask yourself why a place like this exists. Not what it can do for you or for anyone else, why is it here?

I came here for peace . Not for "free speech" .

 

[enjolras]

I hope my remark won't appear too out of context.

Maybe the moderators are extremely active ? If there are pro-lifers around here, it does not seem like they interact much if at all. I surely don't feel their presence.

However, on various occasions, several times on a weekly basis, I'm encountering messages and behaviors from what appears to be honest members, who have developed what I'm ready to call exacerbated pro-lifer paranoia, as an unlucky symptom to a long list of misfortune :) It manifests itself through a war on the invisible or a witch hunt.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that, if there's some pro-life pressure floating around, in the end it also passes through the medium of our responsibility rather than the opposers. The pro-life stance tends to live through some of us on top of the ones concerned. In a way, that is puzzling. Am not even calling it a free hand against ourselves.

Anyway, I find the partly auto-generated (sorry) atmosphere of distrust - in the open, even in DMs - detrimental to the time spent here. For me, it is essentially about sharing info and eventually last moments, which requires, firstly the ability to get in touch, secondly freedom of expressing views, thirdly a cooled down objectivity (not necessarily manners). Skepticism is highly welcomed, best undertook on information released. Suspicion in excess is the stage ...before realism.

—-random thinking edit

Just imagine all the sites you read everyday, when was the last time a header has been written targeting to blame you plus the silent audience for not leaving opinions in comments ? How would you feel about being solicited when your free will has decided against ? Just measure that by joining their group, we have invaded their privacy. If we have a right to stay apart from a crowd in real life, live outside the norms of society or escape with suicide, they sure have a right to not reach with us, whatever their motives.

About pro-lifers, I'm fine if they find ways to speak about their feelings during a healing, grieving or frustration process. Repression is something we wouldn't enjoy ourselves. It's fought against here.
Broadly, I find the effort to silence down any fight or shut down tears shed at nighttime a tad uneasy. They're suffering. On agreeing some will have low reasoning skills and biased values (whereas we have some out of control mentally ills - yes you, freak! lol), so what if they don't make sense ? They're at the same time not about to convince.
That said, thanks to the owners of the site for the attempt to protect everyone against authority.

 

[Mud.]

Funny thing is the "cult of Stan" didn't exist while he was alive.

Nor did he go around asserting his opinions in the name of anyone else in this forum beside himself.

It's funny how popularity by affiliation has developed into a sub cult of the forum to the point where anyone who speaks against it is somehow vilified.

All it does is serve to reinforce this subcult's mentality and behavior while eliminating free speech as well as the ability to formulate and express independent opinions.

I knew Stan pretty well. Exchanged lots of PM's with him.
He would absolutely HATE what is going on with his farewell thread.

He liked a joke but he said goodbye out of the blue and didn't drag it out.
Give the guy some rest. He wouldn't want to be on the front page everyday.

That someone thinks he/she has the right to keep bumping his Goodbye thread is beyond me.
Shameful.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

I did not come to SS to "express opinions" . I came here to die .

So here ****we**** have another derailment of subject as to whether to lock thread or not . Which is not even up to us . Yet again another philosophical theoretical issue that helps no one . I guess I need to reiterate --

The *I* that you mentions assumes everyone solely shares your goal. Clearly there are some here to mingle, find friends, etc.

The ***we*** you speak of suggests everyone should share the same opinion as it relates to this thread.

If one creates a ***kitchen sink agression thread*** it will be met with a kitchen sink of responses.


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I knew Stan pretty well. Exchanged lots of PM's with him.
He would absolutely HATE what is going on with his farewell thread.

He liked a joke but he said goodbye out of the blue and didn't drag it out.
Give the guy some rest. He wouldn't want to be on the front page everyday.

That someone thinks he/she has the right to keep bumping his Goodbye thread is beyond me.
Shameful.

I agree fully as someone who PM'd quite a bit with him as well.

He was a modest person. He didnt even flaunt his relationship.

 

[jgm63]

I knew Stan pretty well. Exchanged lots of PM's with him.
He would absolutely HATE what is going on with his farewell thread.

He liked a joke but he said goodbye out of the blue and didn't drag it out.
Give the guy some rest. He wouldn't want to be on the front page everyday.

That someone thinks he/she has the right to keep bumping his Goodbye thread is beyond me.
Shameful.

That's your view which you're entitled to.
But I don't know why you feel the need to express it publicly.
Referring to it as "shameful" is a serious over-stretch in my view.
I think it is a beautiful thing, but that's just my view.
Live and let live....
Nobody is forcing you to read that thread.

 

[Quarky00]

The *I* that you mentions assumes everyone solely shares your goal. Clearly there are some here to mingle, find friends, etc.
The ***we*** you speak of suggests everyone should share the same opinion as it relates to this thread.
If one creates a ***kitchen sink agression thread*** it will be met with a kitchen sink of responses.

What are you banging on about?

This is pro-choice site ....

We , yes we , did not register in order to advocate free speech lol

 

[jgm63]

This thread is great entertainment.

Sort of like one of those saloon brawls in a western.
Everyone loses track of who is fighting who, so just hit whoever is nearest.....

Just need someone to play the frantic piano music....

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

What are you banging on about?

This is pro-choice site .... not "The Weekly Libertarian" .

We (yes we) did not come here to advocate free speech lol

I will always assert my right to post as free speech. It's no different than anyone else's post here including your post which is banging on about my post. ;-))

 

[Jean4]

I knew Stan pretty well. Exchanged lots of PM's with him.
He would absolutely HATE what is going on with his farewell thread.

He liked a joke but he said goodbye out of the blue and didn't drag it out.
Give the guy some rest. He wouldn't want to be on the front page everyday.

That someone thinks he/she has the right to keep bumping his Goodbye thread is beyond me.
Shameful.

You are entitled to your opinion and I respect your opinion since you knew him well.

I was his partner. I kinda knew him a little bit. Especially when we discussed marriage. I disagree with what you said regarding his likes and dislikes...especially after I read what he wrote in his goodbye letter to me. But I guess you knew him better than me. And I respect your opinion. :)

 

[jgm63]

Just a slight side topic....
What are people's favourite pizza toppings ?

 

[Mud.]

You are entitled to your opinion and I respect your opinion since you knew him well.

I was his partner. I kinda knew him a little bit. Especially when we discussed marriage. I disagree with what you said regarding his likes and dislikes...especially after I read what he wrote in his goodbye letter to me. But I guess you knew him better than me. And I respect your opinion. :)

What do you mean with his partner? You mean in his last hours?
Because I had contact with him on a daily basis near the end and he never mentioned you to me.

After he left, you came out of the blue with a message about how much you loved him and that you knew(?) the love was mutual.
Ever since that post you've been bumping his Goodbye thread.

And about you and him discussing marriage, he was about to CTB for godsakes.
I kinda knew him a little bit too and he was damn serious about it. As time has shown.

btw
Post even a tiny screenshot of his Goodbye letter to you (with his request of bumping his farewell thread) and I will immediately apologize