Welcome Pro Lifers

[Carina]

Just so I am tracking right:

There was a tiny pro-life FB group against this site with almost no members.

A few people here decided to infiltrate it for a joke and made it public they were doing so here.

Those people, and a handful that interact with them, are now getting messages on there and here from pro-lifers.

And this is surprising to people?

It seems to me the only power they have comes from the attention we give them.

Actually that's not entirely accurate, some in question came to the site, screenshotted the site, went on news, and are active in wanting laws passed against the site--then then created the facebook group with the screenshots and other things. They are still here, still watching, still taking screenshots, and apparently claiming that no one will talk to them while outing people here's names to their real names (doxing them).

Edit: Or I should say "trying" to dox them because who knows if right or not

 

[ithappens]

Just so I am tracking right:

There was a tiny pro-life FB group against this site with almost no members.

A few people here decided to infiltrate it for a joke and made it public they were doing so here.

Those people, and a handful that interact with them, are now getting messages on there and here from pro-lifers.

And this is surprising to people?

It seems to me the only power they have comes from the attention we give them.

IDK if that's entirely true. I am one of the members that "infiltrated" that group and posted screenshots here, and nobody has tried contacting me, doxxing me, or anything of that nature. By the looks of the posts being made here I am also fairly sure it isn't that small group, but members from that group.

To those people: if you want a discussion just message me. I am open to conversation. To telling you my POV and listening to yours. But not if you're just going to harass and troll myself and other people here. Especially if you're going to go after the people here who don't even have the strength the hold onto life anymore. Would you approve of people doxxing and/or harassing your suicidal loved one(s)?

 

[-Link-]

To those people: if you want a discussion just message me. I am open to conversation. To telling you my POV and listening to yours. But not if you're just going to harass and troll myself and other people here. Especially if you're going to go after the people here who don't even have the strength the hold onto life anymore. Would you approve of people doxxing and/or harassing your suicidal loved one(s)?

That raises an interesting point.

The people thrashing the members on this site should keep that in mind. Some of us "monsters" may actually be members of your own families.

We are your mothers, your fathers, your sons, your daughters, your brothers, your sisters, your friends, your classmates, your teachers, your coworkers... We are all around you. If you don't think that's possible, then you don't know mental illness as well as you may think you do.

 

[faust]

Dear pro-lifers,
I found this forum accidentally when was doing a research on N.
Here I talk to awesome people, read threads and drink coke.
I love drinking coke (but mostly drink diet because sugar is not healthy in such amounts)
I almost do not drink alcohol, so your advice to go to a bar or a night club to wind up is good, but not applicable to me.
There is no need to save me, because when the Earth will be overpopulated, my descendants will be stealing coke from yours leaving them depressed.
If you want to save me, the best idea would be to send me a box of coke - low stomach pH is not a good occasion to CTB.
If you know some good ways to make coke better, feel free to pm!

 

[Dawgmom]

Mods.. feel free to delete this.

Hello pro-lifers.

It is I. Jean. But you already know that as you have been stalking me off the board and sending me lovely PMs.

I know all of your are guning for me, and I have a target on my back.

I hate to tell you. No. I will not say anything you can use against me or the board.

I apologize for making you all angry. You want me to say that we harm people here... which is the farthest from the truth.

You want to know all about me. My reasons for being here. Sorry the answers I have given you do not meet your needs... and that is to hurt this board.

I enjoy all your threats about how you are going to throw me in jail. Those threats are particularly laughable.

I find it highly amusing, when you aren't able to get what you want from me, you go to my friends. Ssshhhh don't tell anybody. They show me your PMs and ask me what to say.

Stan would find it amusing how you bring him up. Sorry... he wasn't this horrible monster who killed people. You have also made him more powerful than he was. His only method was SN. He didn't push people. Quite the contrary. He helped more people stay here than you will ever know. As I said. Please get it correct. He was an expert on SN only. Not every method imaginable which you have accused him of.

Oh. Insulting him doesn't bother me. Who in their right mind would care about the opinion of a stranger, who never knew him and is absolutely clueless of who he was?

By the way. People are sensitive here. If you went up to someone and said some of the things you have said regarding Stan about their loved ones... you may push them to CTB. How would you feel contributing to a person's death?

Let's cut to the chase. It's me you want. Feel free to talk to me. Leave the other forum members alone. Look at it this way. Your PMs to other members are being shown to me. I know the answer. You won't be getting what you want from them.

This is my home. You will not shut it down. If you want to have a rational, adult conversation regarding suicide, please respond to this post. Why hide your intentions? Are you ashamed of being Pro-Life?

As I said. You want me. Come and get me. Stop being children hiding behind a computer screen causing havoc.

Now. Let's get this board back to normal. I am here if anyone needs me. That includes the pro-lifers.

 

[nitrogen]

@Jean4 Smart tactic to group all who have a problem with the herd and the forum dynamics as pro-lifers and pose as a martyr.

The zealous herd rise on their hindlegs and bleat: "HAIL Jean4!"

 

[HadEnough1974]

IDK if that's entirely true. I am one of the members that "infiltrated" that group and posted screenshots here, and nobody has tried contacting me, doxxing me, or anything of that nature. By the looks of the posts being made here I am also fairly sure it isn't that small group, but members from that group.

To those people: if you want a discussion just message me. I am open to conversation. To telling you my POV and listening to yours. But not if you're just going to harass and troll myself and other people here. Especially if you're going to go after the people here who don't even have the strength the hold onto life anymore. Would you approve of people doxxing and/or harassing your suicidal loved one(s)?

What do you want to discuss with them? Do you really thing they're going to say "oh ok, I see your point of view now?

And in turn, are you going to see their point of view? Are you going to suddenly become pro life? If not, then how do you expect them to become pro choice.

I'm "pro-leave me alone" and if you bother me I'll just ignore you. Just my thoughts.

 

[TheSuicidalEccentric]

I am pro-choice for human beings, pro-choice that women have the right to abortion (which should be a right everywhere), and pro-death for animals when we need food or when they need to die.

 

[Pryras]

Anytime I'm feeling impulsive (like a few short moments ago) I run to this forum and the attempt stops. Who are these people to say that this forum does harm. I'm an example of what a safe space can actually do for someone mentally.

Thank you and if you want to help us, listen to what we have to say.

 

[TheSuicidalEccentric]

Anytime I'm feeling impulsive (like a few short moments ago) I run to this forum and the attempt stops. Who are these people to say that this forum does harm. I'm an example of what a safe space can actually do for someone mentally.

Thank you and if you want to help us, listen to what we have to say.

Talking to people with similar problems makes life better. Likely because we are social creatures, and when another person or even a whole community of people share your problems, it feels better because we share the suffering.

 

[ithappens]

What do you want to discuss with them? Do you really thing they're going to say "oh ok, I see your point of view now?

And in turn, are you going to see their point of view? Are you going to suddenly become pro life? If not, then how do you expect them to become pro choice.

I'm "pro-leave me alone" and if you bother me I'll just ignore you. Just my thoughts.

At this point in my life I don't really expect much of anything at all.
I would like to think that I already understand their point of view, even though I disagree with it. I can at the least sympathize with them even if I can't see eye to eye with them. It's unlikely but there's the chance that a civil discussion could lead to people (whether it be me or them or both of us) learning some sort of new viewpoint or to have a new understanding of the world. But that's probably just the wishful thinking that keeps getting me crushed in life and led me here in the first place.

But I can understand why the users here are sick of having that discussion, and I fully support users not having to justify or explain themselves or having to have contact with anyone they don't want to.

 

[WhiteDespair]

If the pro-lifers and reporters want to have an adult, intellectual conversation regarding suicide... let's do it in the open. Not PMs or Facebook.

Never talk to the media.

 

[HadEnough1974]

At this point in my life I don't really expect much of anything at all.
I would like to think that I already understand their point of view, even though I disagree with it. I can at the least sympathize with them even if I can't see eye to eye with them. It's unlikely but there's the chance that a civil discussion could lead to people (whether it be me or them or both of us) learning some sort of new viewpoint or to have a new understanding of the world. But that's probably just the wishful thinking that keeps getting me crushed in life and led me here in the first place.

But I can understand why the users here are sick of having that discussion, and I fully support users not having to justify or explain themselves or having to have contact with anyone they don't want to.

I'm gay. I've dealt with people who are pro life, anti abortion and against same sex marriage.

Their minds have already been made.

The best thing you can do is reach out to one pro life person and see if they're really willing to help you.

Perhaps you haven't worked in a few years and you can't afford your meds and therapy. Ask them for money, why not? If they want you to live so badly, ask them to feed you and do the chores of life.

My 2 cents

 

[faust]

I'm gay. I've dealt with people who are pro life, anti abortion and against same sex marriage.

Their minds have already been made.

The best thing you can do is reach out to one pro life person and see if they're really willing to help you.

Perhaps you haven't worked in a few years and you can't afford your meds and therapy. Ask them for money, why not? If they want you to live so badly, ask them to feed you and do the chores of life.

My 2 cents

Yes, I met those people who go to church on Sunday and if you mention something about being gay, child-free, etc. they want to cut your throat.
The most trolling thing to say to such people is: "I am sorry, you tried it but did not like, maybe you should try again?"

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I've read through this thread and am confused about some things, hoping for clarification:

1. Why not share here what was said in the on-site PMs by pro-lifers? Screenshots can be edited to block out (not just blur) names and avatars. There is no rule against doing so. Basically, I believe nothing that I hear and only half of what I see. Even with the blocking, I will retain a healthy skepticism because, after all, this is a forum of anonymous members.

2. If there is concern for other members being upset by the communications mentioned above, then why bother to bring them up at all? It is equally upsetting to do so and not reveal details, if not more so. A boogeyman is much scarier hiding around the corner and making ominous scratching sounds than actually jumping out in plain sight and yelling "Boo!"

3. How are the pro-lifers getting private email addresses? Is it because the addresses are made public on the Facebook accounts that were used to try to infiltrate the FB group that was against us? And how are they accurately matching up Facebook accounts to SS profiles?

 

[Otter]

Just had to put this out here and had this burning sentiment in my mind for a while...

To pro-lifers/anti-choicers/forced-lifers:

When you post the suicide prevention lifeline, or even the crisis textline, WE (SS users) KNOW OF IT'S EXISTENCE. No, we know what "could" happen if we call those hotlines and many of us know the potential consequences resulting from those encounters and interactions with the volunteers on the other side of the line. Not only is it condescending and presumptuous to parade, parrot, push, pedal (etc.) that number, many of us have already decided that suicide is a rational answer and we are NOT impulsive nor attention seekers. You can send your virtuous signals elsewhere, not to us and you are not welcome to invade our sanctuary with your pro-life, anti-choice, life is great mantra. Please take it somewhere else and leave our community alone. Your actions are useless at best and harmful at worst. While you may claim that many regret (after surviving an attempt and/or were intervened on and then 'gotten better'), you are ignoring those that did NOT wish to get better. That is optimism bias as well as cognitive bias. Furthermore, the people who failed (some, not all) regret the failure not because they want to live, but because of the consequences associated with the failed attempt afterwards (which includes a worse quality of life both physically and psychologically, social ostracization, further stigma, and more).

Sincerely,

-TAW122

Preach, Sister! ....
Best comment on the whole thread. Rational logic prevails!

 

[BaconCheeseburger]

I read what the Mother shared on her FB about Jean and it knocked me sick. The comments on it were so hateful. It's that kind of response which makes us want to kill ourselves. It's one rule for one person yet a completely different one for another.

FB Mom, I know you're grieving but do you really want to be stalking this website for the rest of your life? It's making you, your husband and everyone on here incredibly miserable and insecure. Aren't there better ways to deal with your loss? In a world like ours we need to be kind to each other and seeking 'revenge' on a faceless website isn't going to get you anywhere. Please, try to take care of yourself and not spend every waking hour on this site. You deserve peace, compassion and self-love which you won't get if you're on a constant rampage for vengeance.

It makes us here feel unsafe, and noone wins in the end because it just becomes a mud slinging battle.

I'm just a stranger on the other side of the world but please try to take care of yourself. Attacking us isn't the way to do that.

 

[Jean4]

Anytime I'm feeling impulsive (like a few short moments ago) I run to this forum and the attempt stops. Who are these people to say that this forum does harm. I'm an example of what a safe space can actually do for someone mentally.

Thank you and if you want to help us, listen to what we have to say.

I'm here if you want to talk. I'm an impulsive CTBER. I have run here screaming on more than one occasion for help too lol.

 

[Chronicillness]

Pro-lifers often are the hyper-relgious types who feel as if their religious views are somehow being assaulted by YOU committing suicide. What are they actually going to do to prevent suicide? They should just go all the way and just lobby to shut down the entire internet because information pertaining to peaceful suicide is abundant online and easily accessible.

Seems like they want to have their virtue signalling broadcasted on national/global television & news outlets so that they can show a larger audience how "good" of a person(s) they are. Seems like they just want fame for being virtuous, rather than partake in actionable suicide prevention.

Ironically, "suicide prevention" protocols, which usually include locking someone up in a mental ward without their consent and forcibly drugging them into a stupor are counter productive and lead to further confusion and suicidality.

 

[Viola]

Jackie! I want to pick you up on something. You say Chip reaches out to me to try to help me. But I don't agree.
His first message to me just said 'would you like to share your story' using my ss name. That was scary and shocking to me as you would expect. It freaked me out being approached that way. Then I messaged maybe 3-4 times back asking what his motivations were? Did he mean share with him? It wasn't clear at all. He ignored me despite reading my responses. I then accused him of trying to scare me which pushed him to respond finally. He then said 'i asked if you wanted to share your story and you didn't' which is nonsense. I'd only asked for clarification on what he meant. I then opened my heart and told of my mental health issues, the lack of help here and the positives I get from ss.. the responses from him didn't address the good points I made, just talked of your issues with the site. We ended messaging in good terms with me wishing you both well.
THEN Chip messaged me again unnecessarily using my new ss name.. and again.. this was a veiled, or not so veiled way to tell me you are watching me and all I say. And that you know I changed myname. Even accusing me of being fed what to say! You are using me to attack ss. Posting the messages I was sent online. You haven't tried to help me as you say you have scared me.
I have all the screen shots by the way.

 

[faust]

Jackie! I want to pick you up on something. You say Chip reaches out to me to try to help me. But I don't agree.
His first message to me just said 'would you like to share your story' using my ss name. That was scary and shocking to me as you would expect. It freaked me out being approached that way. Then I messaged maybe 3-4 times back asking what his motivations were? Did he mean share with him? It wasn't clear at all. He ignored me despite reading my responses. I then accused him of trying to scare me which pushed him to respond finally. He then said 'i asked if you wanted to share your story and you didn't' which is nonsense. I'd only asked for clarification on what he meant. I then opened my heart and told of my mental health issues, the lack of help here and the positives I get from ss.. the responses from him didn't address the good points I made, just talked of your issues with the site. We ended messaging in good terms with me wishing you both well.
THEN Chip messaged me again unnecessarily using my new ss name.. and again.. this was a veiled, or not so veiled way to tell me you are watching me and all I say. And that you know I changed myname. Even accusing me of being fed what to say! You are using me to attack ss. Posting the messages I was sent online. You haven't tried to help me as you say you have scared me.
I have all the screen shots by the way.

Oh, how were you found? it is not too easy to link SS account and any other.

 

[Viola]

Oh, how were you found? it is not too easy to link SS account and any other.

I've fucked up enough letting them find me I don't want to make it worse saying how. Seriously I'm on the edge enough as it is

 

[faust]

I've fucked up enough letting them find me I don't want to make it worse saying how. Seriously I'm on the edge enough as it is

I was thinking about writing a message to Jackie, because even if she is a pro-lifer, it does not mean she does not deserve a support.
But ended up understanding that it is not a good idea to remind a person about the grief and put my privacy in risk.
I can't trust the person who wants to shut us down...

 

[Despondent]

Anytime I'm feeling impulsive (like a few short moments ago) I run to this forum and the attempt stops. Who are these people to say that this forum does harm. I'm an example of what a safe space can actually do for someone mentally.

Thank you and if you want to help us, listen to what we have to say.

Same though!! When I get super upset or frustrated, I get highly impulsive and the tempting urge is right infront of me. Even besides turning to cutting, I run to the forum and it really does relieve a lot.

 

[ithappens]

They keep talking about how "kids" could be using this site. They do know anyone younger than 18 is banned automatically, right? This is a place for consenting, fully informed adults who have reached the end of the line.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

I've fucked up enough letting them find me I don't want to make it worse saying how. Seriously I'm on the edge enough as it is

I'm very sorry that you feel that you are on the edge. I really am.

But have you considered WHO led you to the edge? You can blame Shawn's family and "pro-lifers" all you want. But the reality is that the person who encouraged you to reveal your identity (despite my repeated words of caution) is the same person who is now pretending to protect you and the rest of her herd.

Take a step back and give it some thought.

 

[Jean4]

I'm very sorry that you feel that you are on the edge. I really am.

But have you considered WHO led you to the edge? You can blame Shawn's family and "pro-lifers" all you want. But the reality is that the person who encouraged you to reveal your identity (despite my repeated words of caution) is the same person who is now pretending to protect you and the rest of her herd.

Take a step back and give it some thought.

The reality is a person who states she is heartbroken about her daughter CTB is cyber bullying a mentally ill suicidal individual on Facebook.

The individual doing this is not a teenager in a school. But a grown adult.

It is inconsequential if this individual knows her name, address or bra size. No different than blaming a rape based on the clothing a rape victim wears.

Bottom line. The parents of a child who CTB are cyber bullying mentally ill, suicidal people on Facebook.

That is very sad and I hope they get the psychological help they silo desperately need. Maybe, taking some courses regarding the harm of Cyber bullying would also be beneficial.

By the way. Calling human beings a 'herd' is also insulting and an interesting choice of words to use on a suicide forum. Most legitimate members do not use that choice of words. ;)

By the way. We have a whole group of people who would like to discuss suicide. Would you like to have an adult, intelligent conversation? @Suicide_vampire would love to talk to you.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

The reality is a person who states she is heartbroken about her daughter CTB is cyber bullying a mentally ill suicidal individual on Facebook.

The individual doing this is not a teenager in a school. But a grown adult.

It is inconsequential if this individual knows her name, address or bra size. No different is the clothing a rape victim wears.

Bottom line. The parents of a child who CTB are cyber bullying mentally ill, suicidal people on Facebook.

That is very sad and I hope they get the psychological help they silo desperately need. Maybe, taking some courses regarding the harm of Cyber bullying would also be beneficial.

You've repeatedly refused to post evidence of any "cyber bullying" on the family's part. Unless and until you do so, I'm going to assume that it didn't happen.

On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence of SS members cyber bullying Shawn's family.

 

[Jean4]

You've repeatedly refused to post evidence of any "cyber bullying" on the family's part. Unless and until you do so, I'm going to assume that it didn't happen.

However, there is plenty of evidence of SS members cyber bullying Shawn's family.

It is not my job to post evidence. Feel free to find it yourself. Assume whatever you want. Your opinion, no offense, is really inconsequential. Also, if it was important enough to you, you would do research yourself and not believe strangers on a forum page. Odd. You want screen shots of our posting. ;)

Would you like to have an intellectual conversation pertaining to suicide? A simple yes or no would suffice instead of diverting.

 

[Carina]

You've repeatedly refused to post evidence of any "cyber bullying" on the family's part. Unless and until you do so, I'm going to assume that it didn't happen.

On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence of SS members cyber bullying Shawn's family.

Wait... so you are asking people to outright dox themselves?

The family and others related ARE reading this page. They've admitted as such. If I were to post the proof, the family would know, because they could align the screenshot I post with what they know exist. Same exists for anyone. You do know this right? This is a pro-choice forum, and I'd seriously hate to think you're trying to get someone here to actually out themselves to the people that are doing it with 100% certainty with a psyudonym->realname link.

So I'm going to assume you weren't thinking of that...