Warning to people in the UK who have bought sn

[Jumper Geo]

1. Securely hiding SN offsite

For anyone worried about their SN being found during a police search (whether due to illegality or based on suicide/welfare concerns) or by housemates/relatives/friends, measure a lethal dosage (i.e. your relevant Xmg × 3 serves), triple-bag it in small ziplock bags and put it in a portable key safe. Affix this somewhere in a discrete location completely unrelated to any premises that could be linked to you (home, business, friends, relatives etc.). Abandoned industrial sites, back alleyways behind multi-tenant buildings and various other places will usually have narrow pipes, wire fences or similar things you can use. Drop it off at night and ensure you aren't seen. You can even do this with multiple key safes in multiple locations if you want some extra redundancy.

The key safe (with combination you set) ensures that it won't be accidentally found or consumed by others. You might want to clearly label the ziplock bag inside as 'Poison' just in case someone does break in and assume it is recreational drugs.

Generally a key safe, even if someone actually notices it, is assumed to belong to someone else in the nearby businesses/homes for legitimate spare key storage. Note that this works best around locations that no burglar would actually want to force open your key safe and break into. So abandoned and derelict premises are best for this purpose.

2. Dealing with the police

A few people in this thread have mentioned that if their SN was confiscated they would make sarcastic comments to the police along the lines of 'Are you going to take my bleach and shoelaces as well?' or 'I'd just go jump off a bridge anyway'. Do not make these comments. Never. Not even clearly as a joke. If the police are determined to section you, they will use and even misquote them as evidence to justify their decision, even if they know full well you are making them humorously.

If police do come around and ask about your SN, you have two courses of action. You can either choose the path of least resistance and give it to them, or you can refuse. Factors influencing this decision may include how confident you are around police, whether you have read up in advance on your rights, whether you have spare SN you can retain, whether you have backup methods, and how easily you could obtain replacement SN if needed. In either scenario, it is smartest to not say anything to police. If you're going with the second option, just say 'no comment' to everything. The police are probably largely just following up on information in a box-ticking capacity. If you say 'no comment' and refuse them entry, then they can tick off that they have done everything they could but you have exercised your rights and the matter is closed.

Great idea, I hope people are reading your message instead of panicking as you can hide it outside anywhere. Cheers

 

[autumnal]

I know not everyone has the time or money to travel, but while the UK is still in the EU transition period have you considered buying SN on the continent, either in person or from an online seller who delivers to a post restante or parcel holding service in Europe?

 

[Throwmyselfaway]

Well this is just crazy. I can only imagine how many people he sold to and all those people they have to check on. In the US it doesn't take much and they wil 5150 you to a psych ward. I have one within walking distance to me and it's horrible. If they start looking into seeing who has order from the other site named for a river, they may push that one warehouse as well.

 

[jgm63]

I found this post literally just after ordering my sn. SN was my back up for another method that is proving problematic (will make a separate post). So I went back and messaged the seller to cancel the order. Postage was very steep as it was from a well known country in the Southern Hemisphere. I hope I can cancel it safely and figure something else out. Anyway thank you for the warning!

You could potentially order from a US online marketplace :

If the seller doesn't ship to your country, you may be able to use a reshipper (cross border shipping company)
eg If ordering from a US based ecommerce site then find a reshipper with a US office.
Use the reshipper's US address when ordering on the ecommerce site.
The reshipper receives the package, then forwards to you.
If the reshipper needs an invoice for customs declaration, then print it from the ecommerce site as a pdf.
Try searching for "cross border shipping company".

Obviously there are no guarantees of something similar not happening, but it will likely buy you a few months (could be longer but who knows), so if your intention were to use the product within a month or two, then it would probably be okay....

 

[ctbUniquectb]

I skimmed the thread and was just making up examples of sarcastic comments rather than quoting specific ones.

Gotcha. I wasn't trying to attack you.

I do not share the strength of your blanket views on the dishonesty of all police

Those pesky porkers probably haven't fucked up your life, through no fault of yours, as badly as they've fucked up mine, through no fault of mine. (and you're not in USA)

(nor did I say anything like that)

point taken

however I do believe that all police, even the good ones, know how to bend or circumvent the rules and laws, whether for well-intentioned or malicious reasons.

I worked for a defense attorney. Let's not shit each other here. The deal is this. In court, cops are generally smart enough to not lie directly (google: Mark Fuhrman), but also are nuanced enough with the language to completely destroy your economic hopes for the future while neither disclosing factual reality nor perjuring themselves.

So, yeah, cops dying is tragic, since only their families suffer.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Fuck. All. Police. In. All. Times. And. All. Places.

You ain't kiddin' man. I know this thread is referring to UK police, but the American cops are truly becoming executioners with carte blanche. This video shows a policeman in Mesa, Arizona shooting an unarmed man, who was innocent, yet the piece-of-shit of a cop was later acquitted of murder charges. WARNING: this is vivid:

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[Pryras]

I figured SN was legal to own and purchase? What are the laws surrounding this is in the UK? I'm from Canada and obtaining my SN wasn't easy but it's completely legal for me to have it in my home.

 

[Lost_the_will2_live]

It's pointless worrying there could be a number of reasons why the police came to his house, the £9.80 SN seller on ebay is still around but not currently selling SN so he may just be out of stock.

Someone did mention he comes and goes

I have sent you a message Geo x

 

[autumnal]

Here is a general tip for dealing with the police.

No matter how much you dislike police, and no matter how confidently you know your rights, it is always best to be polite with them. Especially if they want to section you on mental health grounds, any aggression you show can be mislabeled as signs of a mental illness.

My tip is, apart from the general golden rule of saying 'no comment', is to politely say 'no thank you'. As in 'Do you mind if we just come in and check you are alright?'...'No thank you'. 'Perhaps if you let us search we could confirm you are not at risk and be out of your hair?'...'No thank you' etc. Make it sound like you genuinely believe they are offering (not ordering) and you are politely declining but thanking them for asking.

Really gets a lot of them on the back foot, because they are expecting aggression (which they get from the majority of the criminal population) and get the opposite. It also forces them to spell out whether they are giving you a lawful order to do something, or just making a completely optional request. A great deal of police powers come about not because the police have the right to do something, but because they ask you in a way that only implies they have the right (but doesn't technically say they have the right, because they do not) and so you consent to it under the mistaken belief that you are legally required to do so.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

it is always best to be polite with them

I've always found being polite to the police works well. They are just doing a job and don't want hassle/complications. If they get hassle it makes them suspicious. I remember getting let off a speeding ticket once just by being honest and apologetic. It's wasn't even a tactic, I was genuinely sorry and polite.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

Always keep police on the doorstep you have no obligation to allow them entry unless they have a warrant or are in fear for someone's life. That fear must be real and credible, therefore talking to them on the doorstep would negate the fear they have.
It is important to know what the sectioning laws and powers are within your own jurisdiction. I would suggest that everyone Google it as, knowing your rights is very important.

 

[Jumper Geo]

You ain't kiddin' man. I know this thread is referring to UK police, but the American cops are truly becoming executioners with carte blanche. This video shows a policeman in Mesa, Arizona shooting an unarmed man, who was innocent, yet the piece-of-shit of a cop was later acquitted of murder charges. WARNING: this is vivid:

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That is crazy, it's incredible he got acquitted that was murder the trouble is if they don't send these so called officers to prison for life it will never stop. Well forget SN I will take a trip out to Arizona.

 

[ManWithNoName]

That is crazy, it's incredible he got acquitted that was murder the trouble is if they don't send these so called officers to prison for life it will never stop.

A couple of major points about this incident:

1. It is my understanding that the judge did not allow the video in court. This, of course, was the most compelling piece of evidence. At least somebody at the Mesa AZ police had a conscious and decided to release it on the web, exposing this asshole for the sadistic fuck that he is.

2. So in addition to the need to rightfully fear the police, (don't think for a second that other police departments throughout the USA have not seen this video and are now thinking "Look what we can get away with now!") the integrity of the justice system is now called into question, so any man that has his day in court will be his last day ever, it seems.

Well forget SN I will take a trip out to Arizona

'Suicide by cop' is an expression that was started in the U.S. and for good reason: today's police are very trigger happy and / or extremely on edge, so all you need to do is agitate them in any way and you could very well find your brain tissues and scull fragments decorating the pavement.

That said, do not ever attempt a ctb via agitating a cop, ever. He could very well just shoot you and you end up surviving, but paralyzed, with trumped-up charges and jail time thrown in for good measure.

 

[gnomeboy17]

Damn, I missed the boat! I was going to buy from that same seller (£9.80, 100% feedback, user/seller name that rhymes with 'hunter'). His SN listing vanished and reappeared a few time over the weeks and he appeared to be the only UK seller of it on 'that' auction site. It's my guess the police have traced at least one SN suicide/attempt back to products sold by himself, contacted him and asked for/demanded a list of persons he's sold it to. So I'd imagine the law will be in touch, just tell 'em you flushed it. I wonder how many sales of SN that seller had and if he had any inclination of what it's intended use was (presumably not).

Oh shit, I ordered from there, but I live with my parents, really hope the police don't come then.

 

[MaybeSoon]

As far as I'm aware he wasn't selling back then so I don't think it'll be that seller.

EDIT: The OP said it was Tubs and not Packets so definitely not that one.

 

[Potiphera]

They could of sectioned her under a 135 warrant but probably couldn't contact a magistrate in time.

Where I am, the ambos can section you on the spot. I doubt the cops can show up on the basis of buying SN though at least I hope not. I've seen something online purporting to be of German origin, food grade, but still, hopefully it's the real deal.

 

[Quarky00]

I don't understand this thread , you don't have to allow officers in or give them anything, unless there is a suspicion of imminent danger based on evidence (and every word of that long expression counts) .

This is not illegal N . Having SN in the kitchen is like having a knife in the kitchen -- nothing is enforceable against it unless there is evidence you plan to use it .

I don't understand a welfare check , with confiscation , one year after purchase . Did they pull out records and started a wild goose chase? I don't understand who in Scotland called whom , and why ... This is a very strange event .

You may ask to see the evidence against you , though police are not obliged , but considering this wasn't a serious issue (not detained) they should comply . Be polite and kind but know your rights , and how officers work/think .

 

[Majin K.]

The UK is a pretty garbage place to live in anyways. Just my personal opinion.

 

[Proto]

Only in the UK... Glad i live across the channel, at least we have some human rights here.

 

[jgm63]

Hi @Livinginhell
Sorry to be a pain but could you check the following :

In auction site, go to My e*** -> "purchase history"
Under orders, where it says "see orders from", select "2019".
Can you see the "Sold by" name...

Would help if you could tell us who that seller is....
or perhaps paste a small sub-screenshot here, since we might recognise the product picture....

 

[waterbottleman]

You ain't kiddin' man. I know this thread is referring to UK police, but the American cops are truly becoming executioners with carte blanche. This video shows a policeman in Mesa, Arizona shooting an unarmed man, who was innocent, yet the piece-of-shit of a cop was later acquitted of murder charges. WARNING: this is vivid:

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There is something seriously mentally wrong with that cop. Clearly a maniac who gets some sadistic enjoyment dominating people.

I wouldn't be surprised if he became a police officer to fulfill his creepy desire to dominate and kill people. Seems obvious that the cop intended to kill the guy.

He got away with it? I'm not surprised, we have a ton of stupid people in America who are totally brainwashed by corporate propaganda.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

Hi @Livinginhell
Sorry to be a pain but could you check the following :

In auction site, go to My e*** -> "purchase history"
Under orders, where it says "see orders from", select "2019".
Can you see the "Sold by" name...

Would help if you could tell us who that seller is....
or perhaps paste a small sub-screenshot here, since we might recognise the product picture....

Don't post any screen shots of product, this has been discussed before and the reasons why its not to be done.

 

[ManWithNoName]

There is something seriously mentally wrong with that cop. Clearly a maniac who gets some sadistic enjoyment dominating people.

I wouldn't be surprised if he became a police officer to fulfill his creepy desire to dominate and kill people. Seems obvious that the cop intended to kill the guy.

He got away with it? I'm not surprised, we have a ton of stupid people in America who are totally brainwashed by corporate propaganda.

In some of the post-trial articles, this cop had the words "You're fucked!" on the stock of his rifle.

And BTW he apparently is collecting a 31k a year pension (no longer a cop now) and he is getting free treatment for PTSD.

 

[Quarky00]

Would help if you could tell us who that seller is....

Ah , Watson my dear !

Good idea . Cross check with other buyers . Better in PM I assume

I speculate this happened because they had direct report on OP? Many people here had welfare visits after they or someone else blabbed . I'm not suggesting this is the case , just saying that's more common than "raids" .

 

[MaybeSoon]

Something definitely doesn't add up. This is the first reported police visit about SN as far as I'm aware on this site and there's been a lot of sellers over the past year or so since I've watching this site. Why would they specifially target one ebay seller? There was a well used business site that stopped selling that was the main European source for a while and there were no reported raids from that.

 

[waterbottleman]

In some of the post-trial articles, this cop had the words "You're fucked!" on the stock of his rifle.

And BTW he apparently is collecting a 31k a year pension (no longer a cop now) and he is getting free treatment for PTSD.

Yeah I read about that.

its unreal, whomever hired him back to allow him to apply for that pension should be fired.

"Justice" in the US is a joke.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

it is always best to be polite with (police) ... (who) are expecting aggression

Yes. I recently got toyed with really badly over a crime that didn't occur. I was totally freaked out the entire time, but probably the most polite suspect/arrest any of the officers involved had in the past year. I didn't want to get tossed in hospital for shouting word salad about "all pigs are bastards" at them.

There is something seriously mentally wrong with that cop. Clearly a maniac who gets some sadistic enjoyment dominating people. I wouldn't be surprised if he became a police officer to fulfill his creepy desire to dominate and kill people. Seems obvious that the cop intended to kill the guy. He got away with it? I'm not surprised, we have a ton of stupid people in America who are totally brainwashed by corporate propaganda.

In some of the post-trial articles, this cop had the words "You're fucked!" on the stock of his rifle.

I THOUGHT it was this shooting! I couldn't bring myself to watch the video. Yeah, it was a "Smile, wait for flash" then "You're fucked" ejection port cover. In other words, you see the former before firing the rifle, and the latter after.

What a fucking C.H.U.D. even for a cop.

its unreal, whomever hired him back to allow him to apply for that pension should be fired.

He has the right to treatment.

"Justice" in the US is a joke.

It's the legal system not the justice system.

 

[arelia]

Something definitely doesn't add up. This is the first reported police visit about SN as far as I'm aware on this site and there's been a lot of sellers over the past year or so since I've watching this site. Why would they specifially target one ebay seller? There was a well used business site that stopped selling that was the main European source for a while and there were no reported raids from that.

Assuming this is legit then the only two reasons I can think of are the seller reported him because he was stockpiling (the op said he'd got tubs of the stuff iirc) or the seller has been dabbling in the black market and was busted and so the police were looking at all his sales.
either may be possible but not likely I grant you but who knows?

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Why would they specifially target one ebay seller?

Uptick of citizen complaints about SaSu, couple of young (white) women liking the taste of SN too much in the United Kingdom recently, lazy cops looking for low hanging fruit cases. The list goes on.

 

[Quarky00]

Here is a general tip for dealing with the police.

No matter how much you dislike police, and no matter how confidently you know your rights, it is always best to be polite with them. Especially if they want to section you on mental health grounds, any aggression you show can be mislabeled as signs of a mental illness.

My tip is, apart from the general golden rule of saying 'no comment', is to politely say 'no thank you'. As in 'Do you mind if we just come in and check you are alright?'...'No thank you'. 'Perhaps if you let us search we could confirm you are not at risk and be out of your hair?'...'No thank you' etc. Make it sound like you genuinely believe they are offering (not ordering) and you are politely declining but thanking them for asking.

Really gets a lot of them on the back foot, because they are expecting aggression (which they get from the majority of the criminal population) and get the opposite. It also forces them to spell out whether they are giving you a lawful order to do something, or just making a completely optional request. A great deal of police powers come about not because the police have the right to do something, but because they ask you in a way that only implies they have the right (but doesn't technically say they have the right, because they do not) and so you consent to it under the mistaken belief that you are legally required to do so.

I'd actually go another path, though same approach..... I'd say "yeah sure you are so kind to check on me. I know you are under a lot of stress and cutbacks. You really protect the public. I must say how much I appreciate this. There's so much crime and danger out there. So you coming to check, it's just amazing. I'm really moved.. it's amazing the work you do. Bla bla bla bla bla bla"

Just channel your hysteria wisely.

"Oh I don't know if I should let you in. Should I ??? I'm so scared. You never know these days who is out to get you. And you say you got a call from THE INTERNET or something? That internet thing is really scary, with all the hacking going on. I'm so scared. Listen do you mind waiting outside while I call my solicitor? I just heard so many stories and watched so many movies where they just frame people!! Oh not you of course, but I'm scared , I need someone to tell me what to do".

Then close the door and talk to yourself for 2 minutes. Return and say "I was told not to let you in. Leave contact info and my solicitor will call you. I'm sorry I don't know what to do. It's not up to me. Solicitor yelled at me. Sorry , sorry..".

You don't need a solicitor And trust me after that brain fuck of incoherent blabber they won't do a follow up (Just don't be too crazy. It's the "sweet old lady with cats" act...)

TLDR: don't stop talking -- but never on the issue ... You know , like you do here in Sanctioned Suicide