Discussion Wanting to die out of curiosity.

[ReturnToVega]

Anyone else feel this way? Don't get me wrong, I think there is something deeply wrong with this world - I've essentially been a prisoner in my own life for 30 years. No freedom, no relief. For the longest time, I was sure I wanted to kill myself because life was so unfair. Non-existence seemed appealing. But now my stance has changed. I am so curious about what happens after we die.

So many people seem to think we 'disappear' and our consciousness ceases to function. I don't believe that. I think consciousness is not confined to the body, and that after we die, we get to experience unfiltered perception. What if reality is just a simulation? And killing yourself is just the end of this save file? What if you can play another game after you die?

If you look at near-death experiences and OBE reports, most survivors seem to agree that consciousness persists and that 'dying' is like waking up from a realistic dream. In other words, we return to where we came from.

 

[yukiovos]

If you look at near-death experiences and OBE reports, most survivors seem to agree that consciousness persists and that 'dying' is like waking up from a realistic dream. In other words, we return to where we came from.

I disagree, there is no evidence to suggest that consciousness persists after death, and logically it shouldn't.

 

[Kurwenal]

I suppose it's the biggest gamble you ever could make. If you're wrong, there's absolutely no way to come back. Say you went to a casino and bet your life's savings, every single scrap of money you have, on a game of roulette. And you lose. You still are left with the option to beg on the streets for money.

If you kill yourself out of curiosity about what follows, you are gambling something you cannot win back if you lose. I firmly support the right of any individual to die, if they need it. But I can't support the idea of dying to see what happens next, sorry.

If you die because you cannot cope anymore with the pain, suffering, intolerable nature of life, and you hope that something will come afterwards, then that's different. But I personally can't understand dying out of curiosity.

 

[snooperdooper]

Anyone else feel this way? Don't get me wrong, I think there is something deeply wrong with this world - I've essentially been a prisoner in my own life for 30 years. No freedom, no relief. For the longest time, I was sure I wanted to kill myself because life was so unfair. Non-existence seemed appealing. But now my stance has changed. I am so curious about what happens after we die.

So many people seem to think we 'disappear' and our consciousness ceases to function. I don't believe that. I think consciousness is not confined to the body, and that after we die, we get to experience unfiltered perception. What if reality is just a simulation? And killing yourself is just the end of this save file? What if you can play another game after you die?

If you look at near-death experiences and OBE reports, most survivors seem to agree that consciousness persists and that 'dying' is like waking up from a realistic dream. In other words, we return to where we came from.

I don't mean to challenge your beliefs, I'm just curious and I've been wanting to ask this. How does your "consciousness isn't confined to the body" belief work with our brain? It has been shown many times that if certain parts of the brain are bigger or smaller that will affect their thinking. Take for example Alex Honnold, a rock climber. His amygdala, a physical part of his brain, literally has no activation. What is his consciousness if it does not include fear? What else does consciousness not include?

 

[yukiovos]

I don't mean to challenge your beliefs, I'm just curious and I've been wanting to ask this. How does your "consciousness isn't confined to the body" belief work with our brain? It has been shown many times that if certain parts of the brain are bigger or smaller that will affect their thinking. Take for example Alex Honnold, a rock climber. His amygdala, a physical part of his brain, literally has no activation. What is his consciousness if it does not include fear? What else does consciousness not include?

Its all just complex "brain activity" and it can get altered (if someone gets brain damage) he will have a different "version" of his consciousness.

Or be stopped fully, when the brain activity is shut down (death)

 

[ReturnToVega]

Obviously these are my personal beliefs and I can't confirm anything. But if you're planning to die anyway, it's worth thinking about.

I don't mean to challenge your beliefs, I'm just curious and I've been wanting to ask this. How does your "consciousness isn't confined to the body" belief work with our brain? It has been shown many times that if certain parts of the brain are bigger or smaller that will affect their thinking. Take for example Alex Honnold, a rock climber. His amygdala, a physical part of his brain, literally has no activation. What is his consciousness if it does not include fear? What else does consciousness not include?

The way I see it, the brain is more like an interface for consciousness rather than its source. As for Honnold's amygdala, I'd say those differences affect how consciousness manifests in the physical world (how it processes and expresses itself) but not the underlying existence of consciousness itself.

I disagree, there is no evidence to suggest that consciousness persists after death, and logically it shouldn't.

There is evidence, but it's just not taken seriously by mainstream science because it veers into mysticism and 'woo'. Look into the holographic principle and panpsychism.

 

[shampoo sniffer]

I've read a lot of books on NDEs and it is interesting. I just worry that I'll be reincarnated.

 

[snooperdooper]

I've read a lot of books on NDEs and it is interesting. I just worry that I'll be reincarnated.

I don't understand reincarnation. If you're just put into a new body with zero recollection of your previous life(s), then how is it still you? What is the purpose of reincarnation then? If there's a god with powers to put your consciousness in a new body then he'd have no shortage of new consciousnesses to put into new bodies.

 

[hell toupee]

I disagree, there is no evidence to suggest that consciousness persists after death, and logically it shouldn't.

There is absolutely evidence that gamma wave brain function persists after clinical death. There was a big article about it just a few weeks ago. Can't remember the headline, something to do with "Scientists find evidence that consciousness persists despite clinical death" or something of that nature.

There also have been countless studies of people who were clinically dead for more than just a few minutes, able to accurately report conversations, procedures, etc. In other words, when their physical senses have ceased operating. Perhaps that has more to do with the line we set called "clinical death" though. However, there is corroborated anecdotal evidence that people report things they would have no way of knowing while dead (if you believe they are in fact clinically dead), or even just being unconscious (if you don't believe they are dead).

It's kind of like UFOs. People like to say there is no evidence that UFOs are real, however I would contend there is plenty of evidence, it just depends on whether or not you accept that evidence.

As someone who does not believe in absolutes, and considering the hundreds of thousands of reports of UFOs throughout history, I would say it's just as silly to say they don't exist as it is to say they are all 100% true.

There is evidence that consciousness persists despite the lack of brain function. It just depends on whether you accept it or not.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

when did the soul get installed in evolution the human , chimpanzee , ape, monkey, rat , lizard , fish , ameoba, single cell, bacteria? which of these have a soul and who installed it for what reason by what mechanism ,details?

i don't see why there is a need for a soul. the brain of a 1 mm worm has 302 brain cells . but has 7000 connections between the brain cells. these connections can form at least 2 to the 7000 th power different patterns. that's a number with over 2000 digits. it's with these patterns that almost anything can be modeled like a self or consciousness. the software is expressed in those connections. ai is modeled after these neural networks. that's 302 brain cells . a human has 86 billion brain cells and 100 trillion connections so definitely a self and conscousness can be modeled and run on those connections.

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[idiotmother]

I like your view of saying the brain is "an interface of consciousness." I agree with you, I don't think it's just nothingness either, but I think we have to face ourselves after death and the impact we had on others. Reincarnation is probably real, it would make sense. I believe in is having souls too and those carry our consciousness into the afterlife. But who really knows for sure?! I look up mediums on Reddit and see what they say about suicide and stuff..they talk about life reviews and how we have to see how our suicide affects our loved ones which has got to be the worst aspect of death.

 

[popcorn1234]

I don't understand reincarnation. If you're just put into a new body with zero recollection of your previous life(s), then how is it still you? What is the purpose of reincarnation then? If there's a god with powers to put your consciousness in a new body then he'd have no shortage of new consciousnesses to put into new bodies.

You raise an interesting point.

In Hinduism, we believe that we live each life in the universe to learn our lessons, whatever that might be, and achieve spiritual growth in each life. Your body might be different in each life, but your soul is the same. So, the goal is to experience spiritual growth in each life until you reach moksha, a state of spiritual enlightenment and being free from your karmas (the good and bad actions in your lives).

 

[divinemistress36]

I like your view of saying the brain is "an interface of consciousness." I agree with you, I don't think it's just nothingness either, but I think we have to face ourselves after death and the impact we had on others. Reincarnation is probably real, it would make sense. I believe in is having souls too and those carry our consciousness into the afterlife. But who really knows for sure?! I look up mediums on Reddit and see what they say about suicide and stuff..they talk about life reviews and how we have to see how our suicide affects our loved ones which has got to be the worst aspect of death.

I heard this to. But sometimes its just to hard for a soul to continue its journey

 

[idiotmother]

I heard this to. But sometimes its just to hard for a soul to continue its journey

For real. Some of us really struggle and it's awful that others aren't able to comprehend. They just see us as selfish cowards.

 

[divinemistress36]

For real. Some of us really struggle and it's awful that others aren't able to comprehend. They just see us as selfish cowards.

maybe its in some peoples soul contract to ctb. A Medium on youtube has said that before

 

[hell toupee]

I like your view of saying the brain is "an interface of consciousness." I agree with you, I don't think it's just nothingness either, but I think we have to face ourselves after death and the impact we had on others. Reincarnation is probably real, it would make sense. I believe in is having souls too and those carry our consciousness into the afterlife. But who really knows for sure?! I look up mediums on Reddit and see what they say about suicide and stuff..they talk about life reviews and how we have to see how our suicide affects our loved ones which has got to be the worst aspect of death.

I believe reincarnation is real, however they aren't "past lives" per se, as there is no such thing as time, or cause and effect. What divides other lives from this current existence is merely your focus. Right now a portion of ourselves are highly immersed in this physical reality, and we forget so as not to cheapen the experience.

It is my belief that birth and death are doorways, not a beginning and ending. I have heard death is like finally being able to breathe after holding your breath for a long time. Or like wearing a really thick glove your entire life and forgetting that it's just a glove, not really "you".

 

[Wrath]

This is a part of defeating survival instinct for me. The curiosity of what comes after.
If it's reincarnation then maybe I can escape it.
If it's the classic heaven/hell bs, then I guess I would be rewarded for not turning completely evil in my situation lol.
If it's isekai fantasy stuff, then I guess I get to funny powerscale.
If it's really just choosing what to do after, then I guess I'll choose to do my own thing.
If it's nothing then nothing matters in the first place, so I should get on with it.

The only thing left for me to do is to try.

One weird thing that could happen if there is nothing after death. Then you could actually still reappear is still possible. Since you are dead an infinite amount of time after death. Then there could be the chance that someone is born/created that has the same neuron configuration you did at death. Which could mean that you could still have all your memories and everything in a completely new world. It wouldn't be 'you', it would just be something else with the same neuron connection, but if the complete atheistic view is true, then this WILL happen by mere method of chance. Since there is an infinite amount of time for it to happen again. Even though the chance is near 0, it will happen because with infinite time, a chance becomes absolute.

I hate EOL thought experiments lmao.

 

[idiotmother]

maybe its in some peoples soul contract to ctb. A Medium on youtube has said that before

Oh maybe..especially if the soul wants to experience everything in its lifetimes. Just wish it wasn't this one ;(. My family and child will miss me so much..I've gotten so sick.

I believe reincarnation is real, however they aren't "past lives" per se, as there is no such thing as time, or cause and effect. What divides other lives from this current existence is merely your focus. Right now a portion of ourselves are highly immersed in this physical reality, and we forget so as not to cheapen the experience.

It is my belief that birth and death are doorways, not a beginning and ending. I have heard death is like finally being able to breathe after holding your breath for a long time. Or like wearing a really thick glove your entire life and forgetting that it's just a glove, not really "you".

I like those analogies, makes death sound less terrifying. I wonder if we have pieces of ourselves in other dimensions or a higher self watching over us.

 

[divinemistress36]

Oh maybe..especially if the soul wants to experience everything in its lifetimes. Just wish it wasn't this one ;(. My family and child will miss me so much..I've gotten so sick.

I like those analogies, makes death sound less terrifying. I wonder if we have pieces of ourselves in other dimensions or a higher self watching over us.

I share these beliefs to. People think Im nuts for it on here but oh well

 

[copioushopelessness]

There is absolutely evidence that gamma wave brain function persists after clinical death. There was a big article about it just a few weeks ago. Can't remember the headline, something to do with "Scientists find evidence that consciousness persists despite clinical death" or something of that nature.

There also have been countless studies of people who were clinically dead for more than just a few minutes, able to accurately report conversations, procedures, etc. In other words, when their physical senses have ceased operating. Perhaps that has more to do with the line we set called "clinical death" though. However, there is corroborated anecdotal evidence that people report things they would have no way of knowing while dead (if you believe they are in fact clinically dead), or even just being unconscious (if you don't believe they are dead).

It's kind of like UFOs. People like to say there is no evidence that UFOs are real, however I would contend there is plenty of evidence, it just depends on whether or not you accept that evidence.

As someone who does not believe in absolutes, and considering the hundreds of thousands of reports of UFOs throughout history, I would say it's just as silly to say they don't exist as it is to say they are all 100% true.

There is evidence that consciousness persists despite the lack of brain function. It just depends on whether you accept it or not.

My concern is if our consciousness was miserable in this life will we continue being unhappy in the afterlife.
I haven't finished the transcript you sent. I may watch the video. I used to read a lot, but brain damage makes it harder to focus and retain info. I truly appreciate it, I've always been curious about the afterlife. I'm going to read some more of it now.

 

[hell toupee]

My concern is if our consciousness was miserable in this life will we continue being unhappy in the afterlife.
I haven't finished the transcript you sent. I may watch the video. I used to read a lot, but brain damage makes it harder to focus and retain info. I truly appreciate it, I've always been curious about the afterlife. I'm going to read some more of it now.

These are strictly my beliefs, but to answer your question about being unhappy in the "afterlife" I would say that's a resounding no.

I don't believe we carry nearly the extent of human emotions with us back to the "other side" - it's a much broader and objective viewpoint, at least anecdotaly from NDE and OOBE testimonials.

 

[intr0verse]

There is evidence that consciousness persists despite the lack of brain function. It just depends on whether you accept it or not.

Nope, there is no evidence that consciousness persists after death. I understand people trying to feel comfortable with this thought but there really isn't evidence.

 

[Forever Sleep]

It's more a dread for me that there might be more levels to fight through. I suppose my concern is- if that's the case- why would they be any easier?

It just annoys me too. The whole lack of choice if we can't even die! I don't like being a pawn in an unfair system.

I'm hoping there will be nothing though. If there is indeed something, I suppose I'll just have to try and get through it, like I did with this. I'll only be curious if it's beautiful though. Otherwise- it will be met with the same begrudging, resentful reluctance that every morning here is.

I'm hoping consciousness is just a function of the brain. The same way sight is to the eyes, hearing is to the ears. I suspect we simply evolved to be conscious because it made us dominant here. Imagine how much better trees would be doing if they could consciously move and could consciously fight back when some arsehole with a chainsaw comes along? Like the Ents in Lord of the Rings.

I realise that isn't scientific proof consciousness isn't immortal but, I suppose we are comforted by different ideas. I don't like not having any power/ choice and not knowing what is going on. Especially after this experience on earth! If it's the same creator involved in afterlives- I don't have great hopes!

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Being curious about what happens after we die reminds me of children before Christmas. Some of them are so curious about their gifts that they cannot sleep and would do anything to know it right now, although they only have to wait until Christmas. We all will know what happens after we die as death is inevitable and the only thing we will know for sure.
This not a good reason to kill oneself. Good reasons are in my opinion:
1. The believe that being dead is better than being alive.
2. The desire to experience the process of dying in a certain way.

 

[nunofyourbusiness]

Anyone else feel this way? Don't get me wrong, I think there is something deeply wrong with this world - I've essentially been a prisoner in my own life for 30 years. No freedom, no relief. For the longest time, I was sure I wanted to kill myself because life was so unfair. Non-existence seemed appealing. But now my stance has changed. I am so curious about what happens after we die.

So many people seem to think we 'disappear' and our consciousness ceases to function. I don't believe that. I think consciousness is not confined to the body, and that after we die, we get to experience unfiltered perception. What if reality is just a simulation? And killing yourself is just the end of this save file? What if you can play another game after you die?

If you look at near-death experiences and OBE reports, most survivors seem to agree that consciousness persists and that 'dying' is like waking up from a realistic dream. In other words, we return to where we came from.

I've been suicidal for as long as I can remember and, obviously, this made me interested in NDES. Reading that it's such a peaceful experience made me want to CTB even more. It gave me comfort. But they are not previews of what permanent death is. These people had been dead for what? 3 minutes? The brain is functional for a couple of minutes and then it shuts down for good. What happens after the brain no longer works? We don't know. Because we can't communicate with dead people. They might be lying for what we know. And if they are not lying, these experiences are shaped by the brain. Probably why people see different things. They might be like dreams and emotions can also play a huge role in what people see. I would take these people's stories with a grain of salt. Personally, the closest I had been to death was general anesthesia. A doctor explained what happens to the body during it and it seems like you have the same brain activity of a dead person. I don't recall anything. I didn't see any light. I didn't hear a voice telling me it wasn't my moment. I hadn't seen or talked to a dead relative. I was in nothingness. And you can't describe it. It's not darkness or anything like that. Darkness would require some sort of consciousness. Nothingness is, well, nothing. Time stops, you stop. Everything stops. You are gone. And I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't woken up six hours later. But I can attest that it was peaceful. Best six hours of my "life". If death is like this, and it's most likely it, good. I'd take that over being conscious for eternity. Yikes.

 

[snooperdooper]

This is a part of defeating survival instinct for me. The curiosity of what comes after.
If it's reincarnation then maybe I can escape it.
If it's the classic heaven/hell bs, then I guess I would be rewarded for not turning completely evil in my situation lol.
If it's isekai fantasy stuff, then I guess I get to funny powerscale.
If it's really just choosing what to do after, then I guess I'll choose to do my own thing.
If it's nothing then nothing matters in the first place, so I should get on with it.

The only thing left for me to do is to try.

One weird thing that could happen if there is nothing after death. Then you could actually still reappear is still possible. Since you are dead an infinite amount of time after death. Then there could be the chance that someone is born/created that has the same neuron configuration you did at death. Which could mean that you could still have all your memories and everything in a completely new world. It wouldn't be 'you', it would just be something else with the same neuron connection, but if the complete atheistic view is true, then this WILL happen by mere method of chance. Since there is an infinite amount of time for it to happen again. Even though the chance is near 0, it will happen because with infinite time, a chance becomes absolute.

I hate EOL thought experiments lmao.

I sincerely believed I was alone in thinking this. Does this mean with an infinite amount of time we will have an infinity of being tortured, an infinity of being showered with all the pleasures and dopamine possible? It's so insane to think about.

 

[dead dav]

Very interesting I do wonder what the meaning of life really is

 

[SoulWantsHome]

If you look at near-death experiences and OBE reports, most survivors seem to agree that consciousness persists and that 'dying' is like waking up from a realistic dream. In other words, we return to where we came from.

That's exactly what happens. You'll see... :)

You're just in a ultra-realistic dream right now. What awaits you on the other side, is the real world. Anyone who's actually been there (like me), knows this. The experience of it, is simply that profound.

 

[idiotmother]

I share these beliefs to. People think Im nuts for it on here but oh well

I don't think you're nuts. Seems like most people on here believe it's just nothingness which i don't think makes any sense. I mean it does given the limits of human knowledge but consciousness is such a broad, unique phenomenon it can't just disappear.

 

[divinemistress36]

I don't think you're nuts. Seems like most people on here believe it's just nothingness which i don't think makes any sense. I mean it does given the limits of human knowledge but consciousness is such a broad, unique phenomenon it can't just disappear.

I cant wait to become energy . There is a lot our human brain cant understand , its limited