Venting UK governments response is depressing

[Resinn66]

gbi2 You're welcome! I agree with you everyone has his own problem and necessities, I just hoped that after Canada made this move ather countries would
follow fast, in the West usually is the case. Your question about the Online Safety law I think it is responsibility of the hosting provider. Anyway many conspiracies says this law is a cover for a broad internet censorship on the content the Government doesn't like. The west has huge financial problems and the UK is doing like you said to force the people dong it instead of what is doing Canada

 

[Seered Doom]

What the UK has done is dystopian asf and it's only making things worse to censor things. Hmm, I wonder what novel was set in the UK (named in the book Oceania) and was written as a warning about too much authoritarian and totalitarian censorship that resulted in a lot of deaths and unpersoning for those who do not fall in line... Oh yeah, 1984 by George Orwell!

 

[tiger b]

It's a lot easier when you think of how closely intertwined the church is with power in the UK. The church of England literally gets automatic seats in the house of Lords and every day in the commons starts with a prayer. The majority of people in the UK favour things like assisted dying, but the church believes it's unacceptable in any circumstance so it's not even on the table.

Not really. There's very little intertwining.

26 bishops out of 780 members of the House of Lords - a largely ineffective talking shop for well over 100 years now - equates to effective power? No. Certainly there's a vested interest still present. And certainly it's not desirable in a true democracy.

Painting the Church as the entire problem is a bit simplistic, in a largely atheist country. Of course they are pro-life.

The majority do seem to favour assisted dying, but:

'Question: Do you think it should be legal for a doctor to assist a patient aged 18 and over in ending their life by prescribing life-ending medication that the patient can take themselves, if certain conditions are met?'

If that's based on the survey you are talking about. 'Certain conditions' being a very grey area.

Dystopian
I never thought the UK would make such pro-life laws.Canada, on the other hand, is doing quite the opposite, a dream for euthanasia.
Very strange tho, both are Commonwealth nations

Talk of the Commonwealth being of any relevance on anything in practice in the UK seems to be very fanciful.

What the UK has done is dystopian asf and it's only making things worse to censor things. Hmm, I wonder what novel was set in the UK (named in the book Oceania) and was written as a warning about too much authoritarian and totalitarian censorship that resulted in a lot of deaths and unpersoning for those who do not fall in line... Oh yeah, 1984 by George Orwell!

People will only complain in the UK when it directly affects them.

People will only be wary of discrimination, hate and corruption when they have suffered from it.

Sleepwalking into a comfort blanket which doubles as a straightjacket.

 

[Resinn66]

It is hard to understand when governments that are part of the same club, have wildly different plans. Although it ultimately means they are all acting individually according to their own beliefs and interests It is easy to see people think that they are all just really testing different ideas and using the data to formulate a future plan.


Sorry for asking a question if it's already been stated but when is the block happening? Nothing seems to have changed for me yet. I use both the DuckDuckGo browser and Tor and haven't changed any settings except auto connect Tor and use onion mode.


They'd rather us go later on, on. The moment our value to the economy has dried up. People with savings are valuable for longer. As are people who work past retirement age. The rest of us become a worthless burden the day after we retire. That is probably when they want us to make use of the decriminalisation of suicide as long as we do it at home and not mess up the cliffs.

The Chaplains who patrol Beachy Head are still expecting to see increasing numbers of people they will need to talk back down.

It is hard to understand when governments that are part of the same club, have wildly different plans. Although it ultimately means they are all acting individually according to their own beliefs and interests It is easy to see people think that they are all just really testing different ideas and using the data to formulate a future plan.


Sorry for asking a question if it's already been stated but when is the block happening? Nothing seems to have changed for me yet. I use both the DuckDuckGo browser and Tor and haven't changed any settings except auto connect Tor and use onion mode.


They'd rather us go later on, on. The moment our value to the economy has dried up. People with savings are valuable for longer. As are people who work past retirement age. The rest of us become a worthless burden the day after we retire. That is probably when they want us to make use of the decriminalisation of suicide as long as we do it at home and not mess up the cliffs.

The Chaplains who patrol Beachy Head are still expecting to see increasing numbers of people they will need to talk back down.

Sorry

It is hard to understand when governments that are part of the same club, have wildly different plans. Although it ultimately means they are all acting individually according to their own beliefs and interests It is easy to see people think that they are all just really testing different ideas and using the data to formulate a future plan.


Sorry for asking a question if it's already been stated but when is the block happening? Nothing seems to have changed for me yet. I use both the DuckDuckGo browser and Tor and haven't changed any settings except auto connect Tor and use onion mode.


They'd rather us go later on, on. The moment our value to the economy has dried up. People with savings are valuable for longer. As are people who work past retirement age. The rest of us become a worthless burden the day after we retire. That is probably when they want us to make use of the decriminalisation of suicide as long as we do it at home and not mess up the cliffs.

The Chaplains who patrol Beachy Head are still expecting to see increasing numbers of people they will need to talk back down.

Sorry I made a mistake , the response is at the bottom of the page

 

[Seered Doom]

People will only complain in the UK when it directly affects them.

People will only be wary of discrimination, hate and corruption when they have suffered from it.

Sleepwalking into a comfort blanket which doubles as a straightjacket.

So much as that is fact for the rest of the world from what I gather. Humans are self centered by nature. There's a reason I'm misanthropic after all. At the end of the day, it's not the sufferer that gets heard by the masses. It's the people who said they cared about the person but did nothing to actually help them.

 

[gbi2]

What the UK has done is dystopian asf and it's only making things worse to censor things. Hmm, I wonder what novel was set in the UK (named in the book Oceania) and was written as a warning about too much authoritarian and totalitarian censorship that resulted in a lot of deaths and unpersoning for those who do not fall in line... Oh yeah, 1984 by George Orwell!

Good mention about 1984. But I did read a while back a letter from Aldous Huxley who wrote Brave New World, to George Orwell which had what I first just saw as interesting but then became more frightening over Covid as the narco-hypnosis and infant conditioning points became apparent:

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large-scale biological and atomic war — in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

1984 v. Brave New World

In October of 1949, a few months after publication of George Orwell’s dystopian masterpiece, Nineteen Eighty-Four, he received a letter from fellow author Aldous Huxley, a man who, 17 years p…

lettersofnote.com

Sorry

Sorry I made a mistake , the response is at the bottom of the page

No problem. Thanks.

 

[Seered Doom]

OH MY GOOD LORD, I WAS RIGHT WITH THE MENTION OF NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR IFSFCSNVFJSNB

 

[tiger b]

Centrifugal bumblepuppy hasn't quite caught on.

The noble savage's riposte though is certainly worth a look imo.

It's happened now...I can't access sub-menus through the main menu. I'm accessing this through my threads list. Guess it's Tor time.

 

[NoHorizon]

It's happened. Just downloaded Proton VPN (thanks Dot), set up in a few minutes and now I'm in the Netherlands and all works fine.

The government's approach to suicide prevention is extremely depressing. How they can sleep at night pretending that restricting methods does anything to help the people they claim to be helping is beyond me.

 

[lament.]

Thankyou for your responses everyone, I'm glad most of you, if not all, feel the same as me. And thankyou for those who gave useful advice to us UK members, I'm going to look into using a VPN and believe others should too.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

Yes - go ahead: block access to one of the only platforms that suicidal people have to express their darkest thoughts... I am certain that this will not have a seriously negative effect at all! It does not matter that people live in a society and/or culture (or lack of) which is cancerous, and pushes them into suicidal ideation. Instead we should just silence the voices of those in pain, and ignore the real issues behind the symptom. I am sure that all of the people who are struggling to pay their house rent, and all of those who suffer from abuse, will be thankful that they now do not even have a place to talk!

To OFCOM and everybody else involved in this: well done! You have solved the problem of suicide perfectly!

 

[Praestat_Mori]

UK lawmakers are truly criminals. Closing a space for suicidal people who need a refuge. WTF !!!

 

[NoHorizon]

To OFCOM and everybody else involved in this: well done! You have solved the problem of suicide perfectly!

Personally I'm really looking forward to seeing the future statistic that there have been 0 suicides in the UK now that they've banned this website.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

Personally I'm really looking forward to seeing the future statistic that there have been 0 suicides in the UK now that they've banned this website.

Absolutely! I can already see other people's issues vanish into thin air.

 

[LonelyKitten]

Christ what a mess.
Those on the fringes, or at their limits, already have such little space, such little support.
I despise when society takes away even more from us, especially in the cruel, disrespectful fashion of claiming it is "for our own good".
Disempowerment just makes us even more hopeless, leading us to become more frantic and panicked - more likely to do something outrageous rather than carefully plan out our ideas and try to adjust them to our surroundings as mindfully as we can.

Of course, it so transparent that it's to force people to not be able to escape the shitty system - need those bees to work, yeah?
We all know diminishing personal liberties doesn't help anybody.
But how can anyone, even the advantaged, want to live in a dystopian space like this?
Feeling paranoid whereever you go, because people are driven to harmful acts and behaviors out of desperation (because they lack the supports we should actually invest into - financial, health, community, etc?)?
Seeing literal nets with bridges and buildings, as if we are living in actual fucking cages?

I'm sorry for our folks from the UK - I hope, at least, that accessible options to circumvent these restrictions are and stay available.
There are restrictions like this in Germany too, for example, this site won't show up on Google unless I switch regions.
What a patronizing hellhole of a world...

 

[Seered Doom]

Can't wait for the US to attempt this bullshit too! We're in a backwards ass timeline

 

[Stinger4771]

I was opposed to the Online Safety Bill following Signal and Matrix's opposition to it, as it basically outlaws secure communications in the name of "protect the kids" - utter bullshit.

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I actually read Brave New World the other day. I thought it was interesting. I can recommend it, found it much easier yo get through than 1984. The weirdest thing is I'm still genuinely not sure if the Civilization in the book was good or bad. I mean, the people were happy on the whole. Nobody there wanted to die, and even if they did that was all good too.

 

[mekurin]

The recent change being forced onto the site from OFCOM that will effect people living in the UK (like myself) got me reading some articles to try and find out why they have decided to do this or how they came to this conclusion in the first place and I stumbled upon this quote:

'We have also pledged to reduce England's suicide rate within two and a half years with our new national suicide prevention strategy, backed by more than 100 measures including a national alert system to combat emerging methods.'

Seriously? Combatting emerging methods? I wonder how many of those over 100 measures will actually do anything about the true root issues suicidal people have, rather than them just being roadblocks in the way to a peaceful death. It really does feel like they just want to pat themselves on the back after seeing the suicide rate go down, as if that changes the fact that those suicidal people unable to die are now just stuck not truly living life, wishing everyday they were dead.

I wanted to die in a peaceful way alone but seeing this kind of stuff just makes me want to jump in front of a train instead.

Yea this really fucking sucks. I don't mind it too much as I can use tor but it does mean I can just bring up sasu whenever I want. Where did you find that qoute by the way? National alert system for emerging methods?? This sounds so dystopian its scary. Imagine watching idfk, dr who, when all of a sudden everything cuts out and u get warned about cynide making an appearence on the streets as a bus ticket. fucking wild innit. anyway stay safe fell British citizans.

 

[lament.]

Yea this really fucking sucks. I don't mind it too much as I can use tor but it does mean I can just bring up sasu whenever I want. Where did you find that qoute by the way? National alert system for emerging methods?? This sounds so dystopian its scary. Imagine watching idfk, dr who, when all of a sudden everything cuts out and u get warned about cynide making an appearence on the streets as a bus ticket. fucking wild innit. anyway stay safe fell British citizans.

That specific quote is from this article, theres a trillion ads on the site so use an adblocker lol. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ety-laws-sites-operators-jailed-14-years.html

And the actual legislation that the government is pushing that is effecting the site is this. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/50/enacted

 

[SilentSadness]

Unfortunately the censorship and pro-life drivel just keeps getting worse, it feels like there is no progress being made and it's soon going to be even harder than it is now to ctb. There is no light at the end of the tunnel at this point.

 

[letsmakeitagoodworl]

Will a VPN work just fine to still access the site in the UK? Fuck OFCOM man...

Our country seems to have banned the website as it won't load anymore, I use a free VPN I've had for ages and it works fine

 

[mekurin]

Our country seems to have banned the website as it won't load anymore, I use a free VPN I've had for ages and it works fine

It's honestly better to just use the tor version of the site. VPNs can store your data and can give it to the government. Judging from what I just read you can even be punished for viewing this site. It's honestly horrendous. The healthcare sucks and now ctb is basically illegal. They won't put your dead body to jail of course, they will just punish anyone that helped you. You can either try doing it yourself with limited knowledge and risk becoming a vegetable or seek advice and get sectioned for doing so. What a wonderful world we live in

 

[letsmakeitagoodworl]

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It's honestly better to just use the tor version of the site. VPNs can store your data and can give it to the government. Judging from what I just read you can even be punished for viewing this site. It's honestly horrendous. The healthcare sucks and now ctb is basically illegal. They won't put your dead body to jail of course, they will just punish anyone that helped you. You can either try doing it yourself with limited knowledge and risk becoming a vegetable or seek advice and get sectioned for doing so. What a wonderful world we live in

Here they don't care if you tell them your suicdal, the mh system is super fkd & only cares about psychosis cuse it disrupts the public when it's bad enough & theve got some negative press for letting some outa the mh units who went on to kill people. Of course this is 0.01% of psychotic patients but they get 99.9% of the publicity, so mh will hold psychotic patients for months, I've seen some in a psyc ward for over a year because they won't release them except to a facility despite them being perfectly mentally fine.

If your suicidal here they will palm you off to a fam member (or a neighbour ifythey can,), if you have none they may see you but thats usually only if you say your basically on a bridge, otherwise they just tell you to take some meds. I quite literally had it years ago written in my file that if I tried to kill myself & ended up in icu I didnt need to see psyc before I could go home. So I can talk about it quite freely & have little worry because no one here would care if I kms (thed only care if the media somehow got hold of it, & that would just be because it might make the system lookwbad).

 

[mekurin]

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Here they don't care if you tell them your suicdal, the mh system is super fkd & only cares about psychosis cuse it disrupts the public when it's bad enough & theve got some negative press for letting some outa the mh units who went on to kill people. Of course this is 0.01% of psychotic patients but they get 99.9% of the publicity, so mh will hold psychotic patients for months, I've seen some in a psyc ward for over a year because they won't release them except to a facility despite them being perfectly mentally fine.

If your suicidal here they will palm you off to a fam member (or a neighbour ifythey can,), if you have none they may see you but thats usually only if you say your basically on a bridge, otherwise they just tell you to take some meds. I quite literally had it years ago written in my file that if I tried to kill myself & ended up in icu I didnt need to see psyc before I could go home. So I can talk about it quite freely & have little worry because no one here would care if I kms (thed only care if the media somehow got hold of it, & that would just be because it might make the system lookwbad).

Yea and when the media does get a hold of it, instead of fixing the crappy mh services and actually trying to fix the root cause of the issue, they decide to stop people from accessing a suicide forum

 

[gbi2]

I actually read Brave New World the other day. I thought it was interesting. I can recommend it, found it much easier yo get through than 1984. The weirdest thing is I'm still genuinely not sure if the Civilization in the book was good or bad. I mean, the people were happy on the whole. Nobody there wanted to die, and even if they did that was all good too.

It has been a while since I read it and I can't read very well now so a revread is out of the question but I think I saw it that people were manipulated into not even considering that they were in servitude anymore. The manipulation worked so well that people were happy to have things that wouldn't normally have made someone happy.

 

[StellaSomnus]

The mental health support in the UK is ass. They won't address the elephant in the room, they just want quick results.

 

[gbi2]

Personally I'm really looking forward to seeing the future statistic that there have been 0 suicides in the UK now that they've banned this website.

It already works!

When the block was implemented and I couldn't access the site through a normal browser anymore, all my feelings of suicide went away and I couldn't think of a single method to use. Then when I started to browse the site using Tor browser, the feelings came back and the act of jumping of a ciff became a possibility again.

That's all that was needed. I can't believe it was so simple. Attacking the symptom does work.

*just to be clear, what with people being in very low moods and thus there being a chance the sarcasm gets missed, I'm not being serious.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Good mention about 1984. But I did read a while back a letter from Aldous Huxley who wrote Brave New World, to George Orwell which had what I first just saw as interesting but then became more frightening over Covid as the narco-hypnosis and infant conditioning points became apparent:

1984 v. Brave New World

In October of 1949, a few months after publication of George Orwell’s dystopian masterpiece, Nineteen Eighty-Four, he received a letter from fellow author Aldous Huxley, a man who, 17 years p…

lettersofnote.com

No problem. Thanks.

Nice to see someone who is awake as to what is really going on.

 

[Kit1]

I live in the UK. Feel let down badly by the NHS when I turned to them for support. NHS is not accessible to some of us who have accessibility challenges. I ma trying to keep myself alive - and this site has certainly helped. The way I am feeling now that I have caught up with what is happening with the site - I might as well drop dead now.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

I'm sure they don't really give a shit. They just feel embarassed when their citizens kill themselves in droves. It can't be a great reflection on the world they have created.

They feel embarrassed and also they'd be scared of losing all their worker bees.
Would there be a risk of having the police knock on your door if you order several ropes online, similar to those who bought SN got a welfare check?