Venting UK governments response is depressing

[lament.]

The recent change being forced onto the site from OFCOM that will effect people living in the UK (like myself) got me reading some articles to try and find out why they have decided to do this or how they came to this conclusion in the first place and I stumbled upon this quote:

'We have also pledged to reduce England's suicide rate within two and a half years with our new national suicide prevention strategy, backed by more than 100 measures including a national alert system to combat emerging methods.'

Seriously? Combatting emerging methods? I wonder how many of those over 100 measures will actually do anything about the true root issues suicidal people have, rather than them just being roadblocks in the way to a peaceful death. It really does feel like they just want to pat themselves on the back after seeing the suicide rate go down, as if that changes the fact that those suicidal people unable to die are now just stuck not truly living life, wishing everyday they were dead.

I wanted to die in a peaceful way alone but seeing this kind of stuff just makes me want to jump in front of a train instead.

 

[ClownWorld2023]

Stay safe, UK members.

 

[IsThisEverything]

I'm from the UK and this makes me angry and sad. All this is going to do is drive people to choose methods that cause more suffering.

 

[gbi2]

Yeah, a bunch of people who's belief that the sole aim in life it to think about yourself and make as much money as you can buy screwing over the next person will never know how to tackle something that requires caring for others. That's why mental health services are failing. They aren't focused on getting to the bottom of it they are focused on seeing who they can get back into work.

 

[Kattt]

Gotta keep the worker bees mindlessly generating more money for the benefit of those who least need it.

 

[asian.neet]

FUCK THE UK AND OFCOM FUCK THEIR PRO-LIFE AGENDA

 

[Forever Sleep]

Maybe it's messed up but I can't wait to CTB to defy their little game. Sometimes I fantasize about doing something very showy but really, I'm too self reserved for that. Plus- the wrong people suffer ultimately.

I'm sure they don't really give a shit. They just feel embarassed when their citizens kill themselves in droves. It can't be a great reflection on the world they have created.

I used to be so patriotic. I used to love England. The reality is so different though. I reckon this country is so corrupt. That in itself is pretty depressing.

Yeah- great Ofcom. Ban free speech but continue to legally enforce us to pay for the BBC. An organisation that no doubt knew about Jimmy Saville's disgusting actions. We all paid to support that guy under your watch! But- heaven forbid we decide to do something with our own lives that you don't approve of.

If it's really your children you're worried about- make parental locks better. Enforce them maybe. Encourage parents to parent! (Not to say it's always their fault though.)

Or better still- ask yourselves WHY people kill themselves and DO SOMETHING about fixing that. Try actually provide effective support for your future generations and 1) They may not progress to be so depressed that they become suicidal in the first place and 2) They won't even search for somewhere like this to get the support they can't find anywhere else!

Besides that- driving this underground won't help you. People will just be forced onto the dark web or to use VPN's or- they'll just resort to brutal methods. I hope your bracing yourselves for that. Don't get all huffy when your daily commute is delayed because some poor sole threw themselves in front of your train. Don't complain when you have to witness people throwing themselves off things and the trauma of having to collect the body parts. You brought this on yourselves.

 

[Mäximum]

I wonder how many of those over 100 measures will actually do anything about the true root issues suicidal people have, rather than them just being roadblocks in the way to a peaceful death.

They will do nothing. When people want to do something, they always find a way. UK just deletes the peaceful methods and leave the painful for those who desperately want to leave. It's just so useless and honestly, doesn't really makes sense. But I don't wear a suit, what do i know.

 

[tiger b]

Looking at what is suggested, I think these plans will die on their arse.

On the online suicide 'prevention' training hoho, did you know each suicide of working age costs the UK economy on average £1.7 million?

That's what it's all about. Money. And they won't put money behind what they're saying. Perhaps some people could be 'helped' but the system isn't fit for purpose.

Far more likely suicide figures will increase.

 

[girlsboysthems]

as the guy above me said, its all about the money because they know they fucked up. and they dont want young people killing themselves because it hurts the poor little economy. who cares about my right to choose, its all about the money. if i were them i would take more time to fight various pedo/child porn and the rape videos going around where people are actually getting hurt and those things are not their personal choice. but they dont care about that. all they care is their precious economy and keeping their power that in turn keeps the spotlight on them...

 

[Deleted member 65988]

On the online suicide 'prevention' training hoho, did you know each suicide of working age costs the UK economy on average £1.7 million?

Now that is an interesting stat but yeah, it's nothing about actually caring to solve people's problems, they don't want people to get a hold of effective methods in order to ctb because they lose money, it's not beneficial to them to lose cattle that make them money and keep them in power.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

These sadistic control freaks are completely out of touch with reality .
Unfortunately for me I live in the UK and it's becoming more dystopian by the day.
We have a broken mental health system and record numbers of homelessness, and are one of the highest cost of living countries in the world with poor rates of pay for the majority of workers.
Yet they pretend to want to reduce the suicide rate.
Maybe they should look at solving the problems that contribute to the suicide rate in the first place before trying to block us from using this site, which is actually A SUPPORT FORUM, as opposed to a site that actively encourages people to commit suicide.
Yet they are too fucking stupid to realise this, or maybe they do and just want to increase our suffering.

 

[tiger b]

I think we all know there's an election coming up, too. It's not about being effective - it's having a list of things that were 'done' and championing then as 'world leading', such as the Online Safety Bill. It's propaganda.

I think it's like treating a shotgun wound with a band aid.

They want people to talk. But who's actually listening?

Nothing new. Nothing to see here.

I think there is one positive outcome of this agenda - the shoddy mental health services are going to be fully exposed.

Yet they are too fucking stupid to realise this, or maybe they do and just want to increase our suffering.

I don't think either. It doesn't matter so long as the whole comedy keeps rolling on. It's a big pyramid and just don't be at the bottom. All that's changed is the pr.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

If it's really your children you're worried about- make parental locks better. Enforce them maybe. Encourage parents to parent! (Not to say it's always their fault though.)

Or better still- ask yourselves WHY people kill themselves and DO SOMETHING about fixing that. Try actually provide effective support for your future generations and 1) They may not progress to be so depressed that they become suicidal in the first place and 2) They won't even search for somewhere like this to get the support they can't find anywhere else!

Not just encouraging parents to parent, but providing greater parenting education alongside greater accountability systems; e.g., mandatory parenting classes during the 9 months of pregnancy covering topics like attachment theory, parenting styles (see below), practicing emotional communication (especially important for fathers), the need for parents themselves to be emotionally regulated and well-adjusted, etc. The accountability could look like yearly check-ins, similar to a yearly dentists appointment. There are plenty of other possibilities that are simply not in place because of capitalist extractivism (social programming costs money afterall).


Other supports can be increased by transitioning (slowly) out of capitalism, especially in the global context, decolonizing, and incorporating both mental health literacy courses and youth-focused (i.e., watered-down using accessible language) curriculums covering issues identified by critical social theory (poverty, racism, social inequality, etc.)

Our society is run by a one-dimenstional set of mechanistic, productivity-focused values. We NEED to replace this dominant culture with one that primarily values emotional wellbeing/regulation, mental health literacy, community engagement, leisure, art, etc. and the solution is absolutely to educate and to hold people (e.g., parents) accountable for educating.

There are genetic conditions and tragic accidents, but the majority of individual problems can be traced to the reproduction of mental illness caused by generational stress, trauma, and ignorance. Society can do better and that's what makes it so despicable for those of us who have fallen through the cracks

 

[tiger b]

Our society is run by a one-dimenstional set of mechanistic, productivity-focused values. We NEED to replace this dominant culture with one that primarily values emotional wellbeing/regulation, mental health literacy, community engagement, leisure, art, etc. and the solution is absolutely to educate and to hold people (e.g., parents) accountable for educating.

I'm sorry, are we talking about the UK here. Or a progressive society. We can shout all that foreign concept stuff down with 'nanny state' and 'socialism' slogans without even putting in a thought. Best ask Lord Rothermere what is best.

Don't even start me on education. Parents are voters. Teachers are just fresh meat for the Ofsted grinder these days. No matter what they do is never good enough. That's soul-destroying accountability in action.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

I'm sorry, are we talking about the UK here. Or a progressive society. We can shout all that foreign concept stuff down with 'nanny state' and 'socialism' slogans without even putting in a thought. Best ask Lord Rothermere what is best.

Don't even start me on education. Parents are voters. Teachers are just fresh meat for the Ofsted grinder these days. No matter what they do is never good enough. That's soul-destroying accountability in action.

British culture is dialectically (mutually influenced) by global neoliberalism so I'm talking about both. Effective contextualization of the inherent two-way relationship between the "society at large" and a particular nation state means overturning false micro- vs. macrosocial dichotomies. (Technically meso vs. macro in this context)

We have never witnessed transnational socialist policies or even mixed-market policies given the ongoing perpetuation of world systems which retains capitalism on a global scale. I could give it some more "thought" if you would like me to back up my claims with research, historical contingencies, and social facts. But, I would ask that you reciprocate so we aren't both just spouting sentimental values without necessary cognitive- and evidence-based substantiation.

On a side note, I'm not sure funding education or mental health literacy programmes to be equivalent with socialism, but the aforementions one-dimensional values (such as capitalist rhetoric), would certainly promote this idea as though the social construction of these ideas/cultural narratives are not entirely historically contingent.

It's very convenient rhetoric for the cultural engineers.

 

[godsseepiestsoldier]

A sad but rlly not an unexpected response its a very classic and repetative move the british gov likes to make. Its not the first or the last time theyll blame or target something not related to the real issue and fix it whilst ppl applaude them. Honestly sometimes the problems they "fix" just make them worse.

 

[tiger b]

British culture is dialectically (mutually influenced) by global neoliberalism so I'm talking about both. Effective contextualization of the inherent two-way relationship between the "society at large" and a particular nation state means overturning false micro- vs. macrosocial dichotomies. (Technically meso vs. macro in this context)

We have never witnessed transnational socialist policies or even mixed-market policies given the ongoing perpetuation of world systems which retains capitalism on a global scale. I could give it some more "thought" if you would like me to back up my claims with research, historical contingencies, and social facts. But, I would ask that you reciprocate so we aren't both just spouting sentimental values without necessary cognitive- and evidence-based substantiation.

On a side note, I'm not sure funding education or mental health literacy programmes to be equivalent with socialism, but the aforementions one-dimensional values (such as capitalist rhetoric), would certainly promote this idea as though the social construction of these ideas/cultural narratives are not entirely historically contingent.

You actually expect me to fully engage with that?

I think you misunderstand the irony in my post.

I don't see the point of your response in the format and manner you have used. If you are making a wider academic point for academics, on an academic forum then fair enough. If you are writing to be understood by most people - surely the point of communication on such a forum - then I am puzzled by the mismatched communication.

I wouldn't ask you to back up your claims, personally, as I actually believe what you say regarding never witnessing transnational socialist policies, and I value your time. Relearning academicbabblespeak to put a point across is not a reasonable use of mine.

In a nutshell: I don't see the point of hiring a tuxedo to dance at the Dog and Duck on a Friday night.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

You actually expect me to fully engage with that?

I think you misunderstand the irony in my post.

I don't see the point of your response in the format and manner you have used. If you are making a wider academic point for academics, on an academic forum then fair enough. If you are writing to be understood by most people - surely the point of communication on such a forum - then I am puzzled by the mismatched communication.

I wouldn't ask you to back up your claims, personally, as I actually believe what you say regarding never witnessing transnational socialist policies, and I value your time. Relearning academicbabblespeak to put a point across is not a reasonable use of mine.

Ah sorry I'm sleep deprived and misunderstood your comment as criticism. Apologies if I came across as patronizing. The academic babblespeak was a (falsely) attempted defense based on this misunderstanding. I try not to overuse it otherwise

I see what you were trying to convey now haha

 

[tiger b]

It was actually quite impressive hahahaha it's not often my head hurts trying to decipher.

It's like a language I'd have to relearn, sadly for little purpose. No point in trying to educate me into left-wing thinking...as I'm generally supportive of that angle anyway.

My point is perceptions. And how they seem to Trump (haha) reality. Look at the perception being peddled for this forum via mainstream British media, for instance.

 

[letsmakeitagoodworl]

At first I was like... how is it bad they wanna reduce suicide rates, but then I saw the bit your referring too

 

[Turkish_Rose]

Will a VPN work just fine to still access the site in the UK? Fuck OFCOM man...

 

[Rational man]

The recent change being forced onto the site from OFCOM that will effect people living in the UK (like myself) got me reading some articles to try and find out why they have decided to do this or how they came to this conclusion in the first place and I stumbled upon this quote:

'We have also pledged to reduce England's suicide rate within two and a half years with our new national suicide prevention strategy, backed by more than 100 measures including a national alert system to combat emerging methods.'

Seriously? Combatting emerging methods? I wonder how many of those over 100 measures will actually do anything about the true root issues suicidal people have, rather than them just being roadblocks in the way to a peaceful death. It really does feel like they just want to pat themselves on the back after seeing the suicide rate go down, as if that changes the fact that those suicidal people unable to die are now just stuck not truly living life, wishing everyday they were dead.

I wanted to die in a peaceful way alone but seeing this kind of stuff just makes me want to jump in front of a train instead.

Sunak and his government are crap and their pledges are useless desperate measures to attempt a disaster at the election. They just dont get it, but then why would a bunch of privalidged public school kids want to get it. I suppose its never occured to them why ctb is at near record numbers. Part of the reason lays with the failed political system. poverty and ill health is appalling and NHS is on its knees. Shame on them and stop blaming others you contemptuous fools.

Will a VPN work just fine to still access the site in the UK? Fuck OFCOM man...

Maybe it's messed up but I can't wait to CTB to defy their little game. Sometimes I fantasize about doing something very showy but really, I'm too self reserved for that. Plus- the wrong people suffer ultimately.

I'm sure they don't really give a shit. They just feel embarassed when their citizens kill themselves in droves. It can't be a great reflection on the world they have created.

I used to be so patriotic. I used to love England. The reality is so different though. I reckon this country is so corrupt. That in itself is pretty depressing.

Yeah- great Ofcom. Ban free speech but continue to legally enforce us to pay for the BBC. An organisation that no doubt knew about Jimmy Saville's disgusting actions. We all paid to support that guy under your watch! But- heaven forbid we decide to do something with our own lives that you don't approve of.

If it's really your children you're worried about- make parental locks better. Enforce them maybe. Encourage parents to parent! (Not to say it's always their fault though.)

Or better still- ask yourselves WHY people kill themselves and DO SOMETHING about fixing that. Try actually provide effective support for your future generations and 1) They may not progress to be so depressed that they become suicidal in the first place and 2) They won't even search for somewhere like this to get the support they can't find anywhere else!

Besides that- driving this underground won't help you. People will just be forced onto the dark web or to use VPN's or- they'll just resort to brutal methods. I hope your bracing yourselves for that. Don't get all huffy when your daily commute is delayed because some poor sole threw themselves in front of your train. Don't complain when you have to witness people throwing themselves off things and the trauma of having to collect the body parts. You brought this on yourselves.

Sunaks government dont get it, but they get to see MPs settling old scores. No doubt self serving. Can't wait for the next sleaze scandal to show in this truly British tragic drama.

Will a VPN work just fine to still access the site in the UK? Fuck OFCOM man...

Maybe it's messed up but I can't wait to CTB to defy their little game. Sometimes I fantasize about doing something very showy but really, I'm too self reserved for that. Plus- the wrong people suffer ultimately.

I'm sure they don't really give a shit. They just feel embarassed when their citizens kill themselves in droves. It can't be a great reflection on the world they have created.

I used to be so patriotic. I used to love England. The reality is so different though. I reckon this country is so corrupt. That in itself is pretty depressing.

Yeah- great Ofcom. Ban free speech but continue to legally enforce us to pay for the BBC. An organisation that no doubt knew about Jimmy Saville's disgusting actions. We all paid to support that guy under your watch! But- heaven forbid we decide to do something with our own lives that you don't approve of.

If it's really your children you're worried about- make parental locks better. Enforce them maybe. Encourage parents to parent! (Not to say it's always their fault though.)

Or better still- ask yourselves WHY people kill themselves and DO SOMETHING about fixing that. Try actually provide effective support for your future generations and 1) They may not progress to be so depressed that they become suicidal in the first place and 2) They won't even search for somewhere like this to get the support they can't find anywhere else!

Besides that- driving this underground won't help you. People will just be forced onto the dark web or to use VPN's or- they'll just resort to brutal methods. I hope your bracing yourselves for that. Don't get all huffy when your daily commute is delayed because some poor sole threw themselves in front of your train. Don't complain when you have to witness people throwing themselves off things and the trauma of having to collect the body parts. You brought this on yourselves.

Sunaks government dont get it. Nice to see MPs settling old scores. No doubt self serving. Can't wait for the next sleezy scandal to show.

 

[Resinn66]

Dystopian
I never thought the UK would make such pro-life laws.Canada, on the other hand, is doing quite the opposite, a dream for euthanasia.
Very strange tho, both are Commonwealth nations

 

[gbi2]

Dystopian
I never thought the UK would make such pro-life laws.Canada, on the other hand, is doing quite the opposite, a dream for euthanasia.
Very strange tho, both are Commonwealth nations

It is hard to understand when governments that are part of the same club, have wildly different plans. Although it ultimately means they are all acting individually according to their own beliefs and interests It is easy to see people think that they are all just really testing different ideas and using the data to formulate a future plan.


Sorry for asking a question if it's already been stated but when is the block happening? Nothing seems to have changed for me yet. I use both the DuckDuckGo browser and Tor and haven't changed any settings except auto connect Tor and use onion mode.

At first I was like... how is it bad they wanna reduce suicide rates, but then I saw the bit your referring too

They'd rather us go later on, on. The moment our value to the economy has dried up. People with savings are valuable for longer. As are people who work past retirement age. The rest of us become a worthless burden the day after we retire. That is probably when they want us to make use of the decriminalisation of suicide as long as we do it at home and not mess up the cliffs.

The Chaplains who patrol Beachy Head are still expecting to see increasing numbers of people they will need to talk back down.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Will a VPN work just fine to still access the site in the UK? Fuck OFCOM man...

A good vpn or use the TOR browser.
TOR browser is what I'm using now.

 

[scattymessyhuman]

A good vpn or use the TOR browser.
TOR browser is what I'm using now.

Just want to say I love your username. How does one get hold of nembutal?

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Just want to say I love your username. How does one get hold of nembutal?

Thank you.
It's basically impossible to get hold of these days.
I don't have Nembutal myself, just very wishful thinking.
Im either going to jump or gas myself. Yet Nembutal will always be my preferred method, if only.

 

[Division Day]

It is hard to understand when governments that are part of the same club, have wildly different plans. Although it ultimately means they are all acting individually according to their own beliefs and interests It is easy to see people think that they are all just really testing different ideas and using the data to formulate a future plan.

It's a lot easier when you think of how closely intertwined the church is with power in the UK. The church of England literally gets automatic seats in the house of Lords and every day in the commons starts with a prayer. The majority of people in the UK favour things like assisted dying, but the church believes it's unacceptable in any circumstance so it's not even on the table.

And for people saying their stance is based on economics, the UK has a stone age attitude to assisted dying as well. If a terminal cancer patient travels with a family member to Switzerland to die in a decent way, that family member can be charged for assisting when they return to the UK. Terminal cancer patients aren't contributing anything to the economy other than the costs of their palliative care. It's just one other symptom of the bullshit views that are just dyed in the wool of those in power. Many countries (including Canada) look at evidence and rethink whether things like assisted dying or cannabis should be illegal, Britain doubles down.

 

[Outsidelessness]

To anyone in this thread who is in the UK, you can also solve your issues with accessibility by reading my thread on DNS encryption here. Tor is also way to go, however there are some people out there who aren't able to use tor within certain environments like college dorms etc.

Even if you are using tor I honestly still suggest configuring your systems this way so there's no domain censorship in your normal browsing habits.