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Shay

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Aug 31, 2018
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I've seen so many people with cancer fight so hard. What is it about them who can endure pain more than I can
 
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Because they have things to live for. Family, dreams, goals, etc. If they can beat cancer they can do those things again. It's like cancer was the only bad thing in their life at the time so if they can fight that things go back to normal for them.
 
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Shay

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Because they have things to live for. Family, dreams, goals, etc. If they can beat cancer they can do those things again. It's like cancer was the only bad thing in their life at the time so if they can fight that things go back to normal for them.
I have all of that and I can't seem to get over my "thing"
 
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I have all of that and I can't seem to get over my "thing"
cancer is different from severe depression. In the sense that cancer is fairly more cut and dry on how to detect and be rid of. You could try anti depressants and see if those work for you. But if those don't work you may be screwed.
 
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Shay

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cancer is different from severe depression. In the sense that cancer is fairly more cut and dry on how to detect and be rid of. You could try anti depressants and see if those work for you. But if those don't work you may be screwed.
Mine is hair loss and depressed bc of hair loss. I wasn't ever depressed before 4 mo ago Would never take another drug ever again
 
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josh228

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Sep 25, 2018
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Mine is hair loss and depressed bc of hair loss. I wasn't ever depressed before 4 mo ago Would never take another drug ever again

well i was very depressed over balding years ago when i was 21, then i took propecia and i still have most of my hair. Why kill yourself when you can take a drug?
 
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Kim

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Sep 18, 2018
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Depressions and suicide thoughts are often "not for the public".You often stand alone with this ...
Cancer is a accepted illness. People around you support and try to helps you. I think that's a main different.
 
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josh228

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Sep 25, 2018
122
Depressions and suicide thoughts are often "not for the public".You often stand alone with this ...
Cancer is a accepted illness. People around you support and try to helps you. I think that's a main different.

not true at all. Cancer is physical, depression is mental. Thats it. Are you telling me that if people starting loving you, you wont be depressed? Than you dont have depression.
 
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bigj75

“From Knowledge springs power."
Sep 1, 2018
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Mine is hair loss and depressed bc of hair loss. I wasn't ever depressed before 4 mo ago Would never take another drug ever again
hair transplant. Costly but would solve the problem to a degree.
 
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Smilla

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not true at all. Cancer is physical, depression is mental. Thats it.

Completely wrong.

Mental illness is stigmatized, and the sufferer is deemed to be irrational, unfit, and their suffering is their fault according to most of society.

Society doesn't equate the two forms of suffering to be "equal" at all.
 
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not true at all. Cancer is physical, depression is mental. Thats it. Are you telling me that if people starting loving you, you wont be depressed? Than you dont have depression.
depression can be caused by the physical but i see what you are saying.
 
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ctoan

Arcanist
Sep 30, 2018
437
Mine is hair loss and depressed bc of hair loss. I wasn't ever depressed before 4 mo ago Would never take another drug ever again

wow thats a stupid reason to suicide

either

1. take medication

2. get a hairtransplant

3. wear hairpieces/wig

4. shave it off - it will be hard first but after a few month you will get used to it
 
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Shay

Experienced
Aug 31, 2018
277
hair transplant. Costly but would solve the problem to a degree.
Not so easy at all. Have to have hair for the host and I don't have that
 
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Smilla

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Apr 30, 2018
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depression can be caused by the physical but i see what you are saying.


Seems to be an argument about the biochemical nature of depression, which is scientifically groundless—people are depressed for all sorts of reasons, including the lack of actual love in their lives, prior traumas unable to be transcended, etc.

And the blame always lies with the person suffering—thus all of the stigma against suicide except for terminally ill patients.

It's clear as day.
 
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Shay

Experienced
Aug 31, 2018
277
wow thats a stupid reason to suicide

either

1. take medication

2. get a hairtransplant

3. wear hairpieces/wig

4. shave it off - it will be hard first but after a few month you will get used to it
It's very traumatic for a Woman and there's more to it than that. It's a loss of freedom and sense of self and was done by a doctor who prescribed meds that were dangerous to me. Lots of safety issues involved. But thanks for calling this a stupid reason.
 
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bigj75

“From Knowledge springs power."
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Completely wrong.

Mental illness is stigmatized, and the sufferer is deemed to be irrational, unfit, and their suffering is their fault according to most of society.

Society doesn't equate the two forms of suffering to be "equal" at all.
I think that's because people have a harder time of understanding why and solving a mental illness than a physical one since it's easier to fix a physical injury/disease. So it's easier to blame mental illness on the person and push it aside since it's harder to understand.
 
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ctoan

Arcanist
Sep 30, 2018
437
It's very traumatic for a Woman and there's more to it than that. It's a loss of freedom and sense of self and was done by a doctor who prescribed meds that were dangerous to me. Lots of safety issues involved. But thanks for calling this a stupid reason.


upsi i thought you were a guy
 
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Shay

Experienced
Aug 31, 2018
277
If I was a man you're right. You can shave it and grows back And if not it looks cool so ...
upsi i thought you were a guy[/QUOTE
 
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bigj75

“From Knowledge springs power."
Sep 1, 2018
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Seems to be an argument about the biochemical nature of depression, which is scientifically groundless—people are depressed for all sorts of reasons, including the lack of actual love in their lives, prior traumas unable to be transcended, etc.

And the blame always lies with the person suffering—thus all of the stigma against suicide except for terminally ill patients.

It's clear as day.
oh yae true. Depression can be caused by different ways. I agree with you.
 
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Kim

Daydreamer
Sep 18, 2018
156
Are you telling me that if people starting loving you, you wont be depressed? Than you dont have depression.

No I don't said that. But when Depression and other mental diseases would be more recognized from the hole society it'll be more easier.
 
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Smilla

Visionary
Apr 30, 2018
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oh yae true. Depression can be caused by different ways. I agree with you.

If you get cancer it's not your fault but being "mentally ill" should be able to be prayed away or therapized away as if it's a magical disease.

Not that I agree with most diagnoses of mental illness—I was born a happy healthy kid but then life happened.
 
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Smilla

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Apr 30, 2018
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Think about an extreme example: a man loses his entire family in a horrible car crash and he is the sole survivor.

He becomes mentally "unstable" after this horror and resorts to drinking, eventually becoming a suicide statistic.

Wouldn't you say it was rational to be depressed when you watched your entire family die in a fire?

Depression can have rational causes is my point which I won't belabour.
 
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bigj75

“From Knowledge springs power."
Sep 1, 2018
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If you get cancer it's not your fault but being "mentally ill" should be able to be prayed away or therapized away as if it's a magical disease.

Not that I agree with most diagnoses of mental illness—I was born a happy healthy kid but then life happened.
I think everything is luck. If you have the luck of good parents, good health, good intelligence, good location, etc then the less % of you getting depression/mental illness.
 
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Miss clefable

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Aug 23, 2018
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Death always wins I guess they are just blinded
 
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Smilla

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I think everything is luck. If you have the luck of good parents, good health, good intelligence, good location, etc then the less % of you getting depression/mental illness.


Yup.
 
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bigj75

“From Knowledge springs power."
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Think about an extreme example: a man loses his entire family in a horrible car crash and he is the sole survivor.

He becomes mentally "unstable" after this horror and resorts to drinking, eventually becoming a suicide statistic.

Wouldn't you say it was rational to be depressed when you watched your entire family die in a fire?

Depression can have rational causes is my point which I won't belabour.
oh I completely agree. I knew a lady that that happend to. She was a grandmother. Her children and grandchildren all died in a car wreck. Her husband was dead too. All she did everyday was go to the mall/ store and spend money and talk to us salesman at the store. I think she passed already.

It's the same with homeless people. Alot of homeless people aren't homeless by their own fault but everyone loves to hate on the homeless and blame them for being homeless.
 
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Smilla

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Apr 30, 2018
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Maslows Hierarchy of Needs.

Needs not met means certain depression unless you have an optimism bias (which I did for years), and a strong survival instinct.

Now, I have neither and my eyes are wide open. I'm not "depressed": I'm realistic.
 
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Miss clefable

Enlightened
Aug 23, 2018
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Maslows Hierarchy of Needs.

Needs not met means certain depression unless you have an optimism bias (which I did for years), and a strong survival instinct.

Now, I have neither and my eyes are wide open. I'm not "depressed": I'm realistic.
I'm both
 
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VincentValentine

Student
Sep 27, 2018
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Another thing is mainstream society portrays people who are suicidal as cowards who are somehow being weak and wimping out of life. They make life sound like some sort of a noble challenge that people are supposed to just endure no matter what because that's supposedly the brave and courageous thing to do.

But perhaps the real brave and courageous thing to do is not to believe the hype of mainstream groupthink, face the fact that life is full of shit, and if you truly don't like life and are ready to die early, be able to face death.
 
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