There are people who would do anything to live. what makes them different?

[zadig777]

well i was very depressed over balding years ago when i was 21, then i took propecia and i still have most of my hair. Why kill yourself when you can take a drug?

sry for noting u this,but u have to check this site out if u are using propercia now,or u are planing on using it in the future
https://www.propeciahelp.com
take it seriously,people on this site have commited suicide due to propercia!

 

[Smilla]

Another thing is mainstream society portrays people who are suicidal as cowards who are somehow being weak and wimping out of life. They make life sound like some sort of a noble challenge that people are supposed to just endure no matter what because that's supposedly the brave and courageous thing to do.

But perhaps the real brave and courageous thing to do is not to believe the hype of mainstream groupthink, face the fact that life is full of shit, and if you truly don't like life and are ready to die early, be able to face death.

Vincent,

You summed it up quite nicely.

 

[Shay]

sry for noting u this,but u have to check this site out if u are using propercia now,or u are planing on using it in the future
https://www.propeciahelp.com
take it seriously,people on this site have commited suicide due to propercia!

Using it. Yes. Been for a while. But can't undo the damage meds did.

 

[zadig777]

Using it. Yes. Been for a while. But can't undo the damage meds did.

u started using propercia after ur hair fell or what?
i dont get it

 

[josh228]

Completely wrong.

Mental illness is stigmatized, and the sufferer is deemed to be irrational, unfit, and their suffering is their fault according to most of society.

Society doesn't equate the two forms of suffering to be "equal" at all.

I dont know man. I guess it depends on what type of person you are. I was always the jock, the guy who got all the girls, the guy who everyone looked up to. So people took me seriously when I got depressed. Too many variables, however it doesnt change the fact that depression isnt cured by attention. If your depression is cured by love, you are not suffering from clinical depression.

 

[josh228]

sry for noting u this,but u have to check this site out if u are using propercia now,or u are planing on using it in the future
https://www.propeciahelp.com
take it seriously,people on this site have commited suicide due to propercia!

propecia isnt what caused this situation and i knew about that site 8 years ago.

 

[josh228]

If I was a man you're right. You can shave it and grows back And if not it looks cool so ...

ah youre a woman. That sucks. Wigs are very socially acceptable though for women.

 

[Miss clefable]

I dont know man. I guess it depends on what type of person you are. I was always the jock, the guy who got all the girls, the guy who everyone looked up to. So people took me seriously when I got depressed. Too many variables, however it doesnt change the fact that depression isnt cured by attention. If your depression is cured by love, you are not suffering from clinical depression.

Yeah you sound like a jock but I have to agree with you

 

[bigj75]

They make life sound like some sort of a noble challenge that people are supposed to just endure no matter what because that's supposedly the brave and courageous thing to do.

too some extent i believe you should look at life like that. But at some point if your life gets to the point where no matter what you do you just can't muster up any will to live then ctb'ing shouldn't be looked down upon at that point.

 

[Smilla]

I dont know man. I guess it depends on what type of person you are. I was always the jock, the guy who got all the girls, the guy who everyone looked up to. So people took me seriously when I got depressed. Too many variables, however it doesnt change the fact that depression isnt cured by attention. If your depression is cured by love, you are not suffering from clinical depression.

So your theory is there is something wrong with your brain?

I don't know what "clinical depression" means, but I am biased against the biomedical model. For various reasons which I won't go into here.

Just annoys me that the mental "illness" paradigm is touted around as sacrosanct, and scientifically based when no proof exists that the brain is diseased....

Regardless of the cause, we are all sad here, and there is no fixing my life, not sure about others.

Also, please don't call me "man".

 

[zadig777]

I dont know man. I guess it depends on what type of person you are. I was always the jock, the guy who got all the girls, the guy who everyone looked up to. So people took me seriously when I got depressed. Too many variables, however it doesnt change the fact that depression isnt cured by attention. If your depression is cured by love, you are not suffering from clinical depression.

ur right
i were like u also
now friends see that im depressed even thou in public i think im not showing that at all and i enjoy
but they still see that im not my self
that even more is depressing me..

 

[josh228]

So your theory is there is something wrong with your brain?

I don't know what "clinical depression" means, but I am biased against the biomedical model. For various reasons which I won't go into here.

Just annoys me that the mental "illness" paradigm is touted around as sacrosanct, and scientifically based when no proof exists that the brain is diseased....

Regardless of the cause, we are all sad here, and there is no fixing my life, not sure about others.

Also, please don't call me "man".

Depression is when your brain is fucked simple. Its not sadness, its not grief. Its a fucking catastrophic failure of the reward system. If you are sad and want to die, then so be it. But you are not depressed. Maybe youre just a loser, I dont know. Also Ill call you what I want...man.

 

[Miss clefable]

Depression is when your brain is fucked simple. Its not sadness, its not grief. Its a fucking catastrophic failure of the reward system. If you are sad and want to die, then so be it. But you are not depressed. Maybe youre just a loser, I dont know. Also Ill call you what I want...man.

Now you proved my point why do you have to come across sounding like a pig you make some good points but you let yourself down

 

[josh228]

Now you proved my point why do you have to come across sounding like pig you make some good points but you let yourself down

"Also, please don't call me "man"."

that doesnt come across as aggressive to you? Talk shit expect a response. Im not here to make friends, just to discuss theories.

 

[Smilla]

Depression is when your brain is fucked simple. Its not sadness, its not grief. Its a fucking catastrophic failure of the reward system. If you are sad and want to die, then so be it. But you are not depressed. Maybe youre just a loser, I dont know. Also Ill call you what I want...man.

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

Maybe I am "just a loser"? This is how you talk about people in PAIN who are trying to end their lives with some dignity?

You call yourself a "jock and good with girls"? Does this make you a "winner"?

You lack empathy, a basic command of common sense, obliviously failed English 101 (you really should try to read more).

I was polite.

 

[Miss clefable]

"Also, please don't call me "man"."

that doesnt come across as aggressive to you? Talk shit expect a response. Im not here to make friends, just to discuss theories.

No it doesn't

 

[zadig777]

So your theory is there is something wrong with your brain?

I don't know what "clinical depression" means, but I am biased against the biomedical model. For various reasons which I won't go into here.

Just annoys me that the mental "illness" paradigm is touted around as sacrosanct, and scientifically based when no proof exists that the brain is diseased....

Regardless of the cause, we are all sad here, and there is no fixing my life, not sure about others.

Also, please don't call me "man".

the problem is not entirely with chemicals in brain
it can be partialy manipulated with chemicals-AD,but u go into another state than
u enter emotionless state which is nor depression,nor happiness
u get like u are dead actually since u feel none
if thats the case,psychiatrist induce death-like state where u feel none
and wait for time to pass so u can after ur death experience,return to life again
thats the case with most people on AD
but shit happened in my case so im stuck forever in a emotionless state somehow,so i have to either live dead or actually choose to die

 

[Smilla]

"Also, please don't call me "man"."

that doesnt come across as aggressive to you? Talk shit expect a response. Im not here to make friends, just to discuss theories.

I asked politely not to be called "man".

 

[josh228]

I asked politely not to be called "man".

why? Whether youre female or not, its not an insult.

 

[josh228]

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

Maybe I am "just a loser"? This is how you talk about people in PAIN who are trying to end their lives with some dignity?

You call yourself a "jock and good with girls"? Does this make you a "winner"?

You lack empathy, a basic command of common sense, obliviously failed English 101 (you really should try to read more).

I was polite.

we are all in pain here, you are not special.

 

[bigj75]

Clinical psychology does have research studies of babies having an increased rate of death if they don't have affection as an infant/child. The ones that do survive but didn't have any affection as infants/children developed mental illness in their teens and adult life at a drastically higher % than infants/children who did have love/affection. So a lack of love/affection actually is a very reasonable explanation to depression/mental illness for some people.

 

[josh228]

Clinical psychology does have research studies of babies having an increased rate of death if they don't have affection as an infant/child. The ones that do survive but didn't have any affection as infants/children developed mental illness in their teens and adult life at a drastically higher % than infants/children who did have love/affection. So a lack of love/affection actually is a very reasonable explanation to depression/mental illness for some people.

it is 100% at the beginning. 100%. However once into adulthood its a different story. You cant unburn burnt toast, however you can scrape off the burnt bits into an acceptable thing. Thats about how far depression can be cured. A half assed piece of toast.

 

[Miss clefable]

why? Whether youre female or not, its not an insult.

It's just rude to assume

 

[zadig777]

why is the discussion straying away from the topic wtf?

anyways they have hope(cancer patients) cause they are allready ready to cbt and they got nothing to lose
if they get healed they are ok
if they are not they go and die

we dont have hope cause
we cant be healed
even if we are healed we will only be partialy
we are not shure we will die by ctb,they are shure they will die by cancer if they die
we dont have support if we die by ctb
they have if they die by cancer

with cancer u are shure u have 2 outcomes and everyone knows that

here is way more fucked
both for ourselves and for others

 

[josh228]

It's just rude to assume

assume what. I call my female friends irl man. Its aggressive plain and simple.

 

[bigj75]

it is 100% at the beginning. 100%. However once into adulthood its a different story. You cant unburn burnt toast, however you can scrape off the burnt bits into an acceptable thing. Thats about how far depression can be cured. A half assed piece of toast.

true. That's why you gotta do the basics from the beginning to the best ability. Not this half ass shit.

 

[bigj75]

why is the discussion straying away from the topic wtf?

anyways they have hope(cancer patients) cause they are allready ready to cbt and they got nothing to lose
if they get healed they are ok
if they are not they go and die

we dont have hope cause
we cant be healed
even if we are healed we will only be partialy
we are not shure we will die by ctb,they are shure they will die by cancer if they die
we dont have support if we die by ctb
they have if they die by cancer

with cancer u are shure u have 2 outcomes and everyone knows that

here is way more fucked
both for ourselves and for others

back on topic. Your point makes sense.

 

[josh228]

true. That's why you gotta do the basics from the beginning to the best ability. Not this half ass shit.

yeah taking action as soon as possible is paramount. Its like propecia and balding. A lot of people are delusional and think balding is fine, then once they look ugly they start taking propecia, but its a preventative drug, not a cure. By then its too late. You get my point.

 

[Miss clefable]

assume what. I call my female friends irl man. Its aggressive plain and simple.

Bet they have no say also for the last time no it was not aggressive

 

[josh228]

Bet they have no say also for the last time no it was not aggressive

You have no idea the dynamics I have with my female friends. Take your own advice and dont "assume"