The taste of n is UNBEARABLE.

[Smart No More]

How many gulps, would you think, is 200 ml of N?

Would I be able to get up and throw away my cup after ingesting it, or should I stay out? I was planning on putting it in a plastic cup, then wiping it out and shoving it somewhere. But I might not have time for that?

I'd hoped to have a chocolate and some Baileys or port wine after ingestion.

Can I drink anything BEFORE N? What about benzos? I have Klonopin, a lot of Xanax, and Valium.

I'm a pretty small female. >115 pounds. I was planning on stopping real food the day before (I don't eat much anyway) and just having some tea and toast the day of. I have zofran, no meto yet. And can get Tagamet. I have to search protocols I guess.

The taste is the least of my worries. Keeping it down and staying out of sight until death are my concerns. Will it take more than an hour or two? Will it be quiet? I wish we had definite answers.

Best to have a practice run of something at 200ml to get a good idea of it.

If you plan to eat or drink anything after drinking N have everything to hand. You could have a bin nearby and tissue to put in the plastic cup and then throw it in the bin. I would say stay seated though. Prop yourself up so you don't lean over and/or vomit.
Benzos are fine to use beforehand. I will do that too.
Your fasting plan sounds sensible. There's a regimen for meto if not going with a stat dose. I think the stat dose has higher risk for adverse reactions to AE's.
If your digestion is healthy it probably wont take long after drinking but can take a few mins to a few hours. Some have taken 24hrs + but I think that's really rare. If you're in good health it's likely to take longer and similarly certain antidepressants prolong the coma phase that follows initial sleep. SSRI's.

 

[Lucas70]

And your asleep within A few minutes guaranteed? In your life ends after 10 or 15 minutes guarantee?

It all depends with your body,also no guarantee method to ctb but at least 90 success rate.

 

[LADY007]

I can personally attest to it. Any reports of trouble swallowing are probably from people who perceived it to be tricky swallowing but whilst their experience is entirely valid it is scientificly incorrect. It's just the perception of hindered swallowing which is due to the surface numbing. If they were to put a liquid or food in their mouth their throat muscles would have no issue swallowing it. When you think about it, the sensation they experience is the desired effect we are looking for. Its just unfamiliar to them/us.

Orajel 4X Medicated For Toothache & Gum Gel, .25OZ will numb your tongue and lessen the bad taste

 

[LADY007]

Orajel 4X Medicated For Toothache & Gum Gel, .25OZ will numb your tongue

 

[dyingalone123]

Fortunately I am older (50) and have been taking shit care of myself once I realized that my condition was incurable. I think I'd rather not do the stat dose of meto. Spacing it out sounds better. Where does the Tagamet come into play (or does it?). I have propanolol too. That might be overkill.

My husband will be the one to find me. I want to look like I am asleep. Praying that is the case.

I feel for your case. I wish your husband was more open to Ctb. People should understand that we can choose to go at anytime. Sorry off tangent on your post.

This isn't like SN so I don't think anything else is needed other than meto.

 

[Smart No More]

Is tagemet an anti acid medication? You mentioned it in your post. If so you can use it with your last meto dose to help avoid a buid up of excess acid facilitating vomiting after drinking. That's my understanding of it. Seems like proton pump inhibitors are best for stopping acid production.

 

[canna2]

How many gulps, would you think, is 200 ml of N?

Would I be able to get up and throw away my cup after ingesting it, or should I stay out? I was planning on putting it in a plastic cup, then wiping it out and shoving it somewhere. But I might not have time for that?

I'd hoped to have a chocolate and some Baileys or port wine after ingestion.

Can I drink anything BEFORE N? What about benzos? I have Klonopin, a lot of Xanax, and Valium.

I'm a pretty small female. >115 pounds. I was planning on stopping real food the day before (I don't eat much anyway) and just having some tea and toast the day of. I have zofran, no meto yet. And can get Tagamet. I have to search protocols I guess.

The taste is the least of my worries. Keeping it down and staying out of sight until death are my concerns. Will it take more than an hour or two? Will it be quiet? I wish we had definite answers.

It isn't really hard to guarantee you wont be found ..

Your body will likely make a few death rattle sounds but you should be asleep quickly, given you do it all correctly.

You need more than 2 hours by the way .. Jez... Don't make a half arsed attempt if you really wanna kill yourself. Do it properly.

Is tagemet an anti acid medication? If so you can use it with your last meto dose to help avoid a buid up of excess acid facilitating vomiting after drinking. Thae my understanding of it. Seems like proton pump inhibitors are best for stopping acid production.

Are you sure you're in the right thread? You don't need antacid for N. As a matter in fact, it's quite useless - for N suicide.

Orajel 4X Medicated For Toothache & Gum Gel, .25OZ will numb your tongue

Wont get rid of the taste though. Maybe make it less tasty.

Good tip though. Contains a lot of benzocaine.

 

[ddd1234]

I honestly don't give a shit what it tastes like so long as I can keep it down. Living would be worse.

Taste is one thing but involuntary vomiting is another.

 

[Smart No More]

You need more than 2 hours by the way .. Jez... Don't make a half arsed attempt if you really wanna kill yourself. Do it properly.

Are you sure you're in the right thread? You don't need antacid for N. As a matter in fact, it's quite useless - for N suicide.

I am in the right thread yes. She asked about tagamet. I replied by asking if it's an antacid as I'm not sure. Off the back of that I shared sonething I'd picked up regarding proton pump inhibitors which stop the production of acid and bile in the stomach and subsequently do have a potential place with vetinary N. I don't have a reference to offer as I forget where I picked it up but I can explain why it might well be quite useful for some when using vetinary N. Vetinary contains more than just N. That's important to be aware of. There are preservatives and ph balancers. Also of relevance is that whilst Meto is an anti emetic it only blocks the signal of nausea but doesn't stop your stomach producing acid/bile which is what happens when a foreign substance is administered therefore it's entirely possible that you will produce excess bile and acid after drinking vetinary N and whilst you may not feel nauseated thanks to the effects of meto you may still have an excess amount of fluid in your stomach hence facilitating the possibilty of vomiting in your sleep. Therefore it is not useless in the case of drinking vetinary N. It may not be necessary and it will vary form case to case, person to person but it has its place in things if people want that option.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

How many gulps, would you think, is 200 ml of N?

Would I be able to get up and throw away my cup after ingesting it, or should I stay out? I was planning on putting it in a plastic cup, then wiping it out and shoving it somewhere. But I might not have time for that?

I'd hoped to have a chocolate and some Baileys or port wine after ingestion.

Can I drink anything BEFORE N? What about benzos? I have Klonopin, a lot of Xanax, and Valium.

I'm a pretty small female. >115 pounds. I was planning on stopping real food the day before (I don't eat much anyway) and just having some tea and toast the day of. I have zofran, no meto yet. And can get Tagamet. I have to search protocols I guess.

The taste is the least of my worries. Keeping it down and staying out of sight until death are my concerns. Will it take more than an hour or two? Will it be quiet? I wish we had definite answers.

I'm personally taking a pretty sizable dose of Xanax after I drink the N. I don't want to risk passing out or feeling nauseous beforehand

And every person is different, each experience will be different. There are no definite answers, and we don't have many documented videos on vet N ingestion. I remember one user who watched @RowdyH999, said he made an audible gasp. How loud it was? I'm not sure. From what I've read, it takes 25 min to 2 hours to time of death. Since you're fairly light weight, and drinking 200ml, I'd say it would be closer to 25 min, than 2 hours.

N is the best you're gonna get, besides a shotgun in your mouth

 

[redwaymilk]

I am in the right thread yes. She asked about tagamet. I replied by asking if it's an antacid as I'm not sure. Off the back of that I shared sonething I'd picked up regarding proton pump inhibitors which stop the production of acid and bile in the stomach and subsequently do have a potential place with vetinary N. I don't have a reference to offer as I forget where I picked it up but I can explain why it might well be quite useful for some when using vetinary N. Vetinary contains more than just N. That's important to be aware of. There are preservatives and ph balancers. Also of relevance is that whilst Meto is an anti emetic it only blocks the signal of nausea but doesn't stop your stomach producing acid/bile which is what happens when a foreign substance is administered therefore it's entirely possible that you will produce excess bile and acid after drinking vetinary N and whilst you may not feel nauseated thanks to the effects of meto you may still have an excess amount of fluid in your stomach hence facilitating the possibilty of vomiting in your sleep. Therefore it is not useless in the case of drinking vetinary N. It may not be necessary and it will vary form case to case, person to person but it has its place in things if people want that option.

To clear up a little confusion:

Tagamet (cimetidine) is an H2 blocker, and similar to a proton pump inhibitor (prilosec / omeprazole), they both help reduce the acidity of the stomach (useful for people with heartburn / reflux).

However, the stomach is not involved in bile production, that is your liver, which is then stored in your gallbladder. Your stomach makes acid to help digest food, that goes down into your small intestines. Then in the first part of your small intestines (duodenum), bile from your gallbladder and digestive fluid from your pancreas are also released, allowing nutrients from the food to be absorbed throughout your small intestine into your bloodstream.

Metoclopramide works in two ways - it decreases the time it takes to pass the contents of your stomach into the small intestine (thus making it less likely you'll vomit whatever you've eaten), and it inhibits the CTZ (chemoreceptor trigger zone) in your brainstem which normally allows for the feeling of nausea from substances that induce nausea.

Your GI tract (the most important parts here - the stomach and the intestines) isn't good at absorbing "charged" drugs. Barbiturates are weak acids, and thus wont be charged in an acidic environment like the stomach.

So if you take an antacid, you are reducing the acidity of the stomach, and thereby making it harder to absorb barbiturates. In other words, taking an antacid will be quite counterproductive. Metoclopramide on the other hand, will make it so there is less time for you to vomit up something that is nauseating / emetic, and overall feel less nauseated.

 

[Smart No More]

And every person is different, each experience will be different. There are no definite answers, and we don't have many documented videos on vet N ingestion. I remember one user who watched @RowdyH999, said he made an audible gasp. How loud it was? I'm not sure.

Was that the two guys not so long back? They met here and got together and did it whilst a member documented what they could in a thread? I'm guessing it's still around somewhere.

Regarding the xanax.... I'm thinking of doing something similar but I think I'm going to do it about 15mins before the N so that they take effect around the same time. Ideally I'd like to nod of because of the xanax and let the N do its thing whilst I sleep. Its a bit of a timing thing though. I'm a bit worried that I won't have long enough to get it down after drinking N though. It knocks most people out in minutes. Can't decide which benzo I'll use but xanax is quick acting so definitely not a bad choice even though it is short acting. I might have a mix of long and short acting. I'm still undecided. I think they would help with handling the taste of N though. I guess maybe it would be not such a bad idea to take a small amount before the N so it's started working and then top up after drinking the N. I'm really just thinking out loud now though.

To clear up a little confusion:

Tagamet (cimetidine) is an H2 blocker, and similar to a proton pump inhibitor (prilosec / omeprazole), they both help reduce the acidity of the stomach (useful for people with heartburn / reflux).

However, the stomach is not involved in bile production, that is your gallbladder. Your stomach makes acid to help digest food, that goes down into your small intestines. Then in the first part of your small intestines (duodenum), bile from your gallbladder and digestive fluid from your pancreas are also released, allowing nutrients from the food to be absorbed throughout your small intestine into your bloodstream.

Metoclopramide works in two ways - it decreases the time it takes to pass the contents of your stomach into the small intestine (thus making it less likely you'll vomit whatever you've eaten), and it inhibits the CTZ (chemoreceptor trigger zone) in your brainstem which normally allows for the feeling of nausea from substances that induce nausea.

Your GI tract (the most important parts here - the stomach and the intestines) isn't good at absorbing "charged" drugs. Barbiturates are weak acids, and thus wont be charged in an acidic environment like the stomach.

So if you take an antacid, you are reducing the acidity of the stomach, and thereby making it harder to absorb barbiturates. In other words, taking an antacid will be quite counterproductive. Metoclopramide on the other hand, will make it so there is less time for you to vomit up something that is nauseating / emetic, and overall feel less nauseated.

Thank you for that, that's really informative. Much appreciated. I clearly had a couple of misconceptions there. Whilst I was aware of my oversimplification of the functions of the digestive system I was unaware of the technicalities surrounding absorption of charged drugs.

Would you say that somebody prescribed proton pump inhibitors would be better not to take them on the day of taking N? Also do you think there's any relevance to the other ingredients of the vetinary N?

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Was that the two guys not so long back? They met here and got together and did it whilst a member documented what they could in a thread? I'm guessing it's still around somewhere.

Regarding the xanax.... I'm thinking of doing something similar but I think I'm going to do it about 15mins before the N so that they take effect around the same time. Ideally I'd like to nod of because of the xanax and let the N do its thing whilst I sleep. Its a bit of a timing thing though. I'm a bit worried that I won't have long enough to get it down after drinking N though. It knocks most people out in minutes. Can't decide which benzo I'll use but xanax is quick acting so definitely not a bad choice even though it is short acting. I might have a mix of long and short acting. I'm still undecided. I think they would help with handling the taste of N though. I guess maybe it would be not such a bad idea to take a small amount before the N so it's started working and then top up after drinking the N. I'm really just thinking out loud now though.

Yeah it was him and @Schevan. The thread is still up so others can still search for it and read about the experience.

I don't think it's a good idea to take a small amount first, especially if you plan to take Xanax before hand. It acts too quickly, I think you might fall asleep before managing to drink it all

 

[Smart No More]

Yeah it was him and @Schevan. The thread is still up so others can still search for it and read about the experience.

I don't think it's a good idea to take a small amount first, especially if you plan to take Xanax before hand. It acts too quickly, I think you might fall asleep before managing to drink it all

Not sure if I explained myself properly.....I meant a small amount of xanax or lorazepam first. Then drink the N and follow up with the a further dose of benzos. I can't tell if you understood or thought I was saying I would take a small amount of N first. I think it's probably me misunderstanding the way your post is worded though tbf.

But yeah, I can take 0.5-1mg xanax without falling asleep no problem but I get what you mean either way. For me I think it will help with SI.

 

[Smart No More]

Aak D about WU but he has/does accept it.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Not sure if I explained myself properly.....I meant a small amount of xanax or lorazepam first. Then drink the N and follow up with the a further dose of benzos. I can't tell if you understood or thought I was saying I would take a small amount of N first. I think it's probably me misunderstanding the way your post is worded though tbf.

But yeah, I can take 0.5-1mg xanax without falling asleep no problem but I get what you mean either way. For me I think it will help with SI.

My bad, I thought you were saying you would take a small amount of N first

 

[redwaymilk]

Okay quick question! What if you no longer have a gallbladder and bile just drips into your small intestine? Tagamet is still a no no?

I talk like I actually have N. Would WU or MG be accepted from the US?

No the bile really just has nothing to do with it. It's more the stomach acid.

Would you say that somebody prescribed proton pump inhibitors would be better not to take them on the day of taking N? Also do you think there's any relevance to the other ingredients of the vetinary N?

PPIs would reduce stomach acid for sure.

 

[Smart No More]

PPIs would reduce stomach acid for sure.

What I meant was, if someone is already taking them as prescribed/needed should they skip them on the day they decide to use N? In your opinion of course. I don't want to put you in a position. It's obviously my choice at the end of the day. I guess I'm asking if excess acid is a bonus when it comes to using N.

 

[PleaseKillMeNow]

I'm new to this site. What is "n"? I'm in the process of considering differing methods.

 

[pole]

similar to what @RainAndSadness has said, this thread is important, whether you agree or disagree.

if you feel some type of way and strongly disagree and dislike what is being said on this thread, all you have to do is IGNORE the thread altogether and refrain from posting.

several people have attempted to be argumentative and derail the the thread. it isn't fair to those genuinly seeking answers.

please refrain from further derailing the thread, out of respect for OP and those seriously seeking answers or you will be warned.

 

[Wrennie]

Orajel 4X Medicated For Toothache & Gum Gel, .25OZ will numb your tongue

Did you test this out with N or a separate bitter liquid?

 

[canna2]

I am in the right thread yes. She asked about tagamet. I replied by asking if it's an antacid as I'm not sure. Off the back of that I shared sonething I'd picked up regarding proton pump inhibitors which stop the production of acid and bile in the stomach and subsequently do have a potential place with vetinary N. I don't have a reference to offer as I forget where I picked it up but I can explain why it might well be quite useful for some when using vetinary N. Vetinary contains more than just N. That's important to be aware of. There are preservatives and ph balancers. Also of relevance is that whilst Meto is an anti emetic it only blocks the signal of nausea but doesn't stop your stomach producing acid/bile which is what happens when a foreign substance is administered therefore it's entirely possible that you will produce excess bile and acid after drinking vetinary N and whilst you may not feel nauseated thanks to the effects of meto you may still have an excess amount of fluid in your stomach hence facilitating the possibilty of vomiting in your sleep. Therefore it is not useless in the case of drinking vetinary N. It may not be necessary and it will vary form case to case, person to person but it has its place in things if people want that option.

But if you have been fasting that long , what would you even vomit?
And judging from the exact moment your heart stops , I would say that heart stops before anything have produced in the stomach.

 

[setup]

But if you have been fasting that long , what would you even vomit?
And judging from the exact moment your heart stops , I would say that heart stops before anything have produced in the stomach.

I think it would take a while for ur heart to stop. A lot canhappen in 30 ish minutes

 

[canna2]

I think it would take a while for ur heart to stop. A lot canhappen in 30 ish minutes

You cant produce enough vomit to choke on in 30 min , sorry man.

 

[setup]

You cant produce enough vomit to choke on in 30 min , sorry man.

Is that why they say to fast?

 

[LADY007]

Did you test this out with N or a separate bitter liquid?

No,,but when I used it for a toothache..my tongue couldn't taste anything

 

[Dystopia]

Where did you hear this?

https://www.knmp.nl/downloads/guidelines-for-the-practice-of-euthanasia.pdf

Page 41 of this

Thanks to @Ame for the source.)

 

[Smart No More]

https://www.knmp.nl/downloads/guidelines-for-the-practice-of-euthanasia.pdf

Page 41 of this

Thanks to @Ame for the source.)

Interestingly, in that document is contained the ingredients of the solution drunk by the euthanasia patients. It appears as though the main sweetner used is saccharin and a drop of star anise oil. There's something in there called syrup simplex too. Can't help wondering if all these things are available online. The total mixture is 100ml. I don't know how much of it is applicable to the sweetening of veterinary N without it becoming too much liquid but it is interesting info and may have some potential for partially lessening the horridness. Unfortunately it would require some experimentation which makes things very tricky.

The ingredients list is in the apendix VI if people want to read/reference it.

 

[Dystopia]

Interestingly, in that document is contained the ingredients of the solution drunk by the euthanasia patients. It appears as though the main sweetner used is saccharin and a drop of star anise oil. There's something in there called syrup simplex too. Can't help wondering if all these things are available online. The total mixture is 100ml. I don't know how much of it is applicable to the sweetening of veterinary N without it becoming too much liquid but it is interesting info and may have some potential for partially lessening the horridness. Unfortunately it would require some experimentation which makes things very tricky.

The ingredients list is in the apendix VI if people want to read/reference it.

I thought the same. It's easier to mess with this as powder which I have but the liquid is what really needs emphasis on. Having the former as my backup doesn't make me want to experiment so much but adding an extremely potent sweetener to vet N doesn't seem much of a compromise considering barely if any volume will be added.

If I was in a place financially to get one more bottle to conduct tests on in say 2-5mg quantities I'd do that for the community but I've spent enough doing analysis in the past for SS.

 

[dyingalone123]

I thought the same. It's easier to mess with this as powder which I have but the liquid is what really needs emphasis on. Having the former as my backup doesn't make me want to experiment so much but adding an extremely potent sweetener to vet N doesn't seem much of a compromise considering barely if any volume will be added.

If I was in a place financially to get one more bottle to conduct tests on in say 2-5mg quantities I'd do that for the community but I've spent enough doing analysis in the past for SS.

I was about to say if you could experiment and let us know your findings that would be amazing. Alas funds are tight.