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found the choke points for myself finall
i rrckon its viable, so long as i get the padding in place.
i rrckon its viable, so long as i get the padding in place.
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This seems to me to be the most adequate placement for the cornhole bags before using the ratchet strap or just hand tightening it if practicing.Hi
Thanks for this thread.
I don't have cornhole bags, so I'll probably use socks, I just want to understand better the location of the padding - is this good? Should it be wider and cover more area or thinner?
(Blank template in case anybody wants to draw on this)
I've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.
I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:
1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.
2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.
Use the following image as a guide (already posted):
View attachment 119331
3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.
If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.
If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.
Then you have found your knock out point.
You are welcomethe one key point that made all the difference for me was tilting my head slightly back. thank you for your tip
Exactly! The rear naked choke is the same as the blood choke. Just different names. The reason we differentiated the two in the military was you either do a "Blood Choke" or an "Air Choke."
Blood Choke - The enemy is awake for at max 10 seconds.
Air Choke - The enemy is awake for a while. You're not able to cut off enough air fast enough, so you're just slowly choking them over time.
The big thing I want to point out that they pointed out in the Marine Corps video, you want to have your Elbow basically under their chin or pointing right at their elbow. Why is this important to remember?
Because in our use, we want to make sure that we have equal pressure going to both arteries so that we can make sure that there is no blood going to the brain. That's why we're using the ratchet or the tape on top of the padding. We're forming basically two arms that are going around our neck to execute a rear naked choke/blood choke against ourselves.
So the idea of looking at the MMA videos or any videos of rear naked chokes is a perfect idea because the idea is the same. Hell, even look at videos where people failed to lock one in because they did it incorrectly to their opponent.
Also, keep in mind that everyone has a different size neck, so you're going to have to find your sweet spots!
On top of that, we used to call it "Night-Night" in the Marine by the way (For the choke). MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) is the last form of defense against a terrorist. You're executing these moves to kill an opponent, and you want to do it as fast as possible.
Two huge videos to help you out:
I think the problem with this method as it's stated is the ratchet. It's going too hard. When cops kill someone with positional asphyxia, that person is still able to speak, and beg for help. That's why the cops say things like "if you can speak you're fine." No. They're not fine. They're slowly dying. That's the purpose of this method. The slow death. Only in a way that is relaxing. You don't need to completely cut off the brain. You're not choking another person to death. You're letting yourself slip away, slowly.I don't recommend this method. I tried it and I did not pass out. Instead, I felt so much pressure in my head that I thought it was going to explode. After tightening the strap with all my strength, I decided to stop. I was still in pain, but I was only slightly numb. Then, terrifyingly, the ratchet strap was stuck. I had to run and find scissors.
I have been blood choked for a non lethal amount of time. As long as you work out and get your heart rate up ahead of time, pain will be very faint. I suggest burpees beforehand in the heat. That was the physical condition I was in at the time of my choke drill. When my partner picked me up, my vision quickly started bubbling into black.Are you sure that method is painless?
Have anyone tried this method and successfully ctb?
are we looking for what feels like a bulb? my neck pounds all over so it's especially difficult to findI've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.
I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:
1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.
2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.
Use the following image as a guide (already posted):
View attachment 119331
3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.
If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.
If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.
Then you have found your knock out point.
Late response but people have mentioned tightly folded shirts or filling up socks with rice. Don't know how accurate these may be, so take these suggestions with a grain of salt and experiment.ideas for cheap, improvised alternatives to cornhole bags??
Interesting. I'm gonna give this a try. Thank you for posting.I've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.
I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:
1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.
2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.
Use the following image as a guide (already posted):
View attachment 119331
3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.
If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.
If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.
Then you have found your knock out point.
When I was looking for my pulse like in your video, I couldn't do it - I was looking for it in the recesses on the sides of the trachea - on the sides of the trachea and thought that I wouldn't succeed, I thought I was some kind of mutant with deep veins and arteries))) but after watching several videos with Bas Rutten (blood choke) and the one that I post below - I made a big U with my hand and found a strong pulse! OMG I found them - they are further away than they show in your videos - they are right on the sides of the neck! They are located so close to the skin - I feel a strong pulsation and dizziness just by squeezing them a little with my hand!
Yeah this method is kinda wonky, definetly look into partial more.I want to use this method but it seems like it isn't very effective. All the comments seem like they are warning against this method. Although I suppose the people who are successful wouldn't be able to comment about it lol.
Should I do this or try partial? They both seem like do the same thing, cutting off blood to the brain. This way seems more painless but I am worried about surviving and having brain damage.
Interesting. I'm gonna give this a try. Thank you for posting.
Yeah this isn't a method I'm considering, im going for full hanging eventually, but this is a good way to practice and find exactly where and how deep the arteries are.I'm impressed by the method, but share my experience regarding the sweet spot.
There are actually better and safer methods, at least for me.
Hi. You know the part where you said "fingers in the direction of the side of the face" I'm not sure I understand exactly that part. Could or anyone clarify?I've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.
I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:
1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.
2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.
Use the following image as a guide (already posted):
View attachment 119331
3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.
If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.
If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.
Then you have found your knock out point.
Oh wow This was well explainedHey everyone,
Been talking to a lot of people in the chat and trying to explain this method, and one user wanted me to make a post about it, so here goes everything.
We're going after a classic idea of using a blood choke, except, it will be against ourselves. In the privacy of our own homes. In a fully relaxed state.
This method is fully capable and will kill you very fast. I know this because it's what we were taught in the Marine Corps.
First, you're going to want some Gorilla tape OR a tree ratchet.
Second, get two Sackhole/Cornhole bags.
Now, depending on what you're using, you'll want to lie on the ground and put the bags on these two exact areas on your neck (In blue).
The reason we're lying on the ground is that we want to be able not to have to fuss over putting the bags on us and making sure they don't fall out of place before we use the ratchet or the tape. You're putting the bags on these two areas to go after the internal carotid arteries.
Start cinching the ratchet closed or wrap the tape around your neck once. Is everything feeling good? I'm glad. If not, then uncinch it a little and place the bags. You want to make sure that you're not compressing the windpipe as that could cause you to freak out a little.
We want this to be painless and fast.
After you're comfortable, sit down if you want to or stand up. Do whatever you want honestly. Start wrapping the tape around your neck more and a little tighter or start closing the ratchet more.
In about 5-20 seconds you will pass out. After that, it's pretty much game over unless you somehow hit the ratchet release. That's why I said we could also use tape as well. With the gorilla tape, it will make sure that you don't inadvertently try to tear the tap off... because it will be strong as hell around your neck.
After you pass out, it will only take a few minutes, and you will be brain dead from the complete lack of blood flow to your brain.
I think I've explained this pretty well and I hope you guys understand the method. If not, please don't hesitate and I'm sure that I can help you out or someone else in the community can help you out.
Unfortunately, I don't think a belt provides enough force, and you're at risk of it popping loose. However, small correction to look out for, cause I accidentally bought the wrong thing. You're looking for ratchet straps (used for securing loads in a trailer), not tree ratchets (yes, I know OP said tree ratchet but he linked to a ratchet strap in fact). Tree ratchets are super bulky and large, and indeed a lot more expensive. You should be looking for an endless ratchet strap (with no hook), those should be much more affordable. Of course, quality varies. Look at the stitching in pictures and decide which one looks sturdy.Is it possible to use a belt instead of tree ratchet? I'd really like to try this method sometime soon but I don't want to raise the suspicion by spending the little money we have on a tree ratchet.