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Sonny77

Sonny77

Member
Aug 17, 2023
41
I've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.

I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:

1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.

2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.

Use the following image as a guide (already posted):

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3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.

If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.

If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.

Then you have found your knock out point.
 
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MatthieuFrederickW

MatthieuFrederickW

Experienced
Feb 6, 2023
273
Hi
Thanks for this thread.
I don't have cornhole bags, so I'll probably use socks, I just want to understand better the location of the padding - is this good? Should it be wider and cover more area or thinner?
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(Blank template in case anybody wants to draw on this)
This seems to me to be the most adequate placement for the cornhole bags before using the ratchet strap or just hand tightening it if practicing.
 
StellaSomnus

StellaSomnus

Dormies sicut stellae luceant
Aug 18, 2023
76
I just got the ratchet straps and waiting for the cornbags to arrive.

I'm new to ratchet straps so I'm afraid I might accidentally CTB on my test, as I found the releasing method to be a bit more difficult than I thought.

Is there a way to practice for the cornbag placements? Should I get tourniquet for that?

I'm reading on page 23 atm, but I'm excited to test this out though I still need to square a lot of things before i ctb
 
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puffnstuff

Member
Jul 3, 2023
13
After practicing several times with cornhole bags, I think I am going to fill two socks with rice and use that. I find the corrnhole bags hard to deal with. The corn is always falling down to the bottom of the bag. If I stuff the socks with rice, I shouldn't have that issue.
 
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snowman626

snowman626

Mage
Jan 28, 2019
543
I've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.

I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:

1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.

2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.

Use the following image as a guide (already posted):

View attachment 119331

3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.

If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.

If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.

Then you have found your knock out point.

the one key point that made all the difference for me was tilting my head slightly back. thank you for your tip
 
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Orbitc

Orbitc

Sorry for my English
Jul 2, 2023
277
Exactly! The rear naked choke is the same as the blood choke. Just different names. The reason we differentiated the two in the military was you either do a "Blood Choke" or an "Air Choke."

Blood Choke - The enemy is awake for at max 10 seconds.
Air Choke - The enemy is awake for a while. You're not able to cut off enough air fast enough, so you're just slowly choking them over time.

The big thing I want to point out that they pointed out in the Marine Corps video, you want to have your Elbow basically under their chin or pointing right at their elbow. Why is this important to remember?

Because in our use, we want to make sure that we have equal pressure going to both arteries so that we can make sure that there is no blood going to the brain. That's why we're using the ratchet or the tape on top of the padding. We're forming basically two arms that are going around our neck to execute a rear naked choke/blood choke against ourselves.

So the idea of looking at the MMA videos or any videos of rear naked chokes is a perfect idea because the idea is the same. Hell, even look at videos where people failed to lock one in because they did it incorrectly to their opponent.

Also, keep in mind that everyone has a different size neck, so you're going to have to find your sweet spots!

On top of that, we used to call it "Night-Night" in the Marine by the way (For the choke). MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) is the last form of defense against a terrorist. You're executing these moves to kill an opponent, and you want to do it as fast as possible.

Two huge videos to help you out:





When I was looking for my pulse like in your video, I couldn't do it - I was looking for it in the recesses on the sides of the trachea - on the sides of the trachea and thought that I wouldn't succeed, I thought I was some kind of mutant with deep veins and arteries))) but after watching several videos with Bas Rutten (blood choke) and the one that I post below - I made a big U with my hand and found a strong pulse! OMG I found them - they are further away than they show in your videos - they are right on the sides of the neck! They are located so close to the skin - I feel a strong pulsation and dizziness just by squeezing them a little with my hand!




 
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AstralRaven

New Member
Jul 23, 2023
1
I don't recommend this method. I tried it and I did not pass out. Instead, I felt so much pressure in my head that I thought it was going to explode. After tightening the strap with all my strength, I decided to stop. I was still in pain, but I was only slightly numb. Then, terrifyingly, the ratchet strap was stuck. I had to run and find scissors.

The worst part was the end result. Every blood vessel in my head popped. My whole head my purple. There was no way I could hide it and there was a good chance that I had brain damage, so I called an ambulance. Thankfully I'm not a vegetable and my appearance returned to normal.

I am an engineer, and I understood the mechanism behind the method, so when I say avoid this nightmare, you should seriously reconsider using this method.
 
tfnb

tfnb

Member
May 29, 2023
52
I don't recommend this method. I tried it and I did not pass out. Instead, I felt so much pressure in my head that I thought it was going to explode. After tightening the strap with all my strength, I decided to stop. I was still in pain, but I was only slightly numb. Then, terrifyingly, the ratchet strap was stuck. I had to run and find scissors.
I think the problem with this method as it's stated is the ratchet. It's going too hard. When cops kill someone with positional asphyxia, that person is still able to speak, and beg for help. That's why the cops say things like "if you can speak you're fine." No. They're not fine. They're slowly dying. That's the purpose of this method. The slow death. Only in a way that is relaxing. You don't need to completely cut off the brain. You're not choking another person to death. You're letting yourself slip away, slowly.

I did this with a neck tie and two of my (admittedly large) pairs of socks folded in on themselves and then folded in on themselves again. I put a knot in the tie do that when I added pressure it added but I have to work to relieve pressure. I did it slowly. I let myself lose just enough blood to start going black. Then a little more.

When you practice blood chokes on other people you realize it doesn't take much pressure. Sometimes you'll accidentally put the person to sleep while you're learning your grips. Sometimes the instructor will put the person they're demonstrating on to sleep while he isn't tightening, just holding the position and talking to the class. Sometimes the person going to sleep doesn't realize it. That's the feeling you're going for here. Just enough. Not so tight that your eyes feel like they're popping out like you're choking someone in competition.
 
SymphonysofAgony

SymphonysofAgony

Dying to live, living to die.
Aug 3, 2023
27
I tried doing this method with my hands. It is so difficult - I can't find one particular spot as I feel like my whole neck has pulse! 😂 Nonetheless, I tried pressing on certain spots I've noticed others point out as effective - the most I achieved after trying for about 30 minutes was feeling tingly and a light headache. I'm 74kg and 5'8", and asthmatic as heck so I really thought this was gonna work, especially as I haven't eaten nor drank anything today, not even water (so like 16+ hrs no food nor liquid). 😭

Is the issue that most of the time that I was trying I was lying down on my bed??
 
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misophoned

Member
Sep 17, 2023
17
Are you sure that method is painless?

Have anyone tried this method and successfully ctb?
I have been blood choked for a non lethal amount of time. As long as you work out and get your heart rate up ahead of time, pain will be very faint. I suggest burpees beforehand in the heat. That was the physical condition I was in at the time of my choke drill. When my partner picked me up, my vision quickly started bubbling into black.
 
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With0ut

With0ut

In bereft land, a raven, flies.
Oct 1, 2023
38
i've experimented with just holding my artery before and honestly it's a little bit of a shock, but truly not at all painful. its an almost good kind of rush. like your body is making adrenaline to aid in escape or something. i never though of this and it actually seems really clever and plausible. my one concern is that i live with my parents and might be found before full death. is brain damage a serious threat? being trapped and unable to escape from this in any way is a hell i don't want to experience.
 
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taslim

A girl has no home.
Oct 8, 2023
9
I feel like I'm doing it wrong, too. The only place I can feel the pulse or get close is really near to my windpipe. I'm not crushing my windpipe and it's comfortable, and I'll start to see stars, but then I involuntarily swallow and it knocks my thumb and fingers off of the arteries.

What I'm seeing makes it look like I should be further to the side of my neck but I don't feel anything resembling a pulse there.

Any ideas?
 
dilemmadarlin

dilemmadarlin

Member
Oct 8, 2023
5
I've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.

I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:

1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.

2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.

Use the following image as a guide (already posted):

View attachment 119331

3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.

If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.

If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.

Then you have found your knock out point.
are we looking for what feels like a bulb? my neck pounds all over so it's especially difficult to find
 
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aquasaltstripes

Member
Jul 2, 2023
52
Agh why does this all have to be so hard ;<
ideas for cheap, improvised alternatives to cornhole bags??
Late response but people have mentioned tightly folded shirts or filling up socks with rice. Don't know how accurate these may be, so take these suggestions with a grain of salt and experiment.
 
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AllAlone

Member
Oct 4, 2023
53
I want to use this method but it seems like it isn't very effective. All the comments seem like they are warning against this method. Although I suppose the people who are successful wouldn't be able to comment about it lol.

Should I do this or try partial? They both seem like do the same thing, cutting off blood to the brain. This way seems more painless but I am worried about surviving and having brain damage.
 
MatthieuFrederickW

MatthieuFrederickW

Experienced
Feb 6, 2023
273
I've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.

I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:

1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.

2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.

Use the following image as a guide (already posted):

View attachment 119331

3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.

If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.

If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.

Then you have found your knock out point.
Interesting. I'm gonna give this a try. Thank you for posting.
When I was looking for my pulse like in your video, I couldn't do it - I was looking for it in the recesses on the sides of the trachea - on the sides of the trachea and thought that I wouldn't succeed, I thought I was some kind of mutant with deep veins and arteries))) but after watching several videos with Bas Rutten (blood choke) and the one that I post below - I made a big U with my hand and found a strong pulse! OMG I found them - they are further away than they show in your videos - they are right on the sides of the neck! They are located so close to the skin - I feel a strong pulsation and dizziness just by squeezing them a little with my hand!





Insightful post. Thanks for the video share. 🙏
 
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avaruus

avaruus

loser · gone very soon
Aug 17, 2022
560
I want to use this method but it seems like it isn't very effective. All the comments seem like they are warning against this method. Although I suppose the people who are successful wouldn't be able to comment about it lol.

Should I do this or try partial? They both seem like do the same thing, cutting off blood to the brain. This way seems more painless but I am worried about surviving and having brain damage.
Yeah this method is kinda wonky, definetly look into partial more.
 
StellaSomnus

StellaSomnus

Dormies sicut stellae luceant
Aug 18, 2023
76
Damn. I guess I'll start looking at other options. Where do I even partial hang in my apartment.
 
MatthieuFrederickW

MatthieuFrederickW

Experienced
Feb 6, 2023
273
I'm impressed by the method, but share my experience regarding the sweet spot.
There are actually better and safer methods, at least for me.
Yeah this isn't a method I'm considering, im going for full hanging eventually, but this is a good way to practice and find exactly where and how deep the arteries are.
 
MatthieuFrederickW

MatthieuFrederickW

Experienced
Feb 6, 2023
273
I've already had an attempt with a ratchet strap, without a pillow, etc. Unfortunately, I had to stop it after a minute + because I felt like my head was about to burst and I just couldn't faint. This method inspired me to try it again out of interest.

I didn't really find the "sweet spot". From some tips here in the thread I had an idea that worked very quickly for me to become unconscious and not cut off the trachea. I would like to share this with you:

1. If you faint, sit on a bed or somewhere you will fall gently. Tilt your head back.

2. Put both hands around your neck: forefingers and the rest grab your neck! Both thumbs above or at the Adam's apple NEXT to the trachea. Left thumb on the left side of your neck, right thumb on your right.

Use the following image as a guide (already posted):

View attachment 119331

3. Now pinch your thumbs and fingers together as if you want to touch them. So NOT in the direction of the trachea, but thumbs in the direction of the neck and fingers in the direction of the side of the face.

If you have the right spot, within 5 seconds you will feel a tingling sensation, a decrease in vision, an increase in heart rate, etc.

If you don't feel it, just test 1 cm further out, up etc. You should have the right spot within a few minutes.

Then you have found your knock out point.
Hi. You know the part where you said "fingers in the direction of the side of the face" I'm not sure I understand exactly that part. Could or anyone clarify?
 
StellaSomnus

StellaSomnus

Dormies sicut stellae luceant
Aug 18, 2023
76
I actually found it easier to find the 'sweet spot' by just using the ratchet straps and and pulling it on my neck, above adam's apple. Though it may have been a lucky pull.

Probably am gonna try a hybrid of this + partial hanging, I don't want the ratchet straps to go to waste, and this method is still questionable at best whilst browsing through the pages.
 
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taslim

A girl has no home.
Oct 8, 2023
9
I tried it today and it was not easy to lose consciousness. My face swelled up and turned mottled and I felt congested all over, like a really bad headache, but no pain is going to be worse than the pain I am in. It also took longer than I had hoped to lose consciousness. And then 20-30 minutes later I woke up. I don't know what happened. It shouldn't have loosened, but I guess it did. I don't know what I did wrong.

I'm thinking, at this point, I should just cover my bases and jump off a cliff with a gun. I'm sure the fall will make me want to pull the trigger, and then if I missed at all the fall will take care of the rest. It's more violent and public than I would have wanted. I do try to be polite. But I need help that is never coming.

Please lmk if you have suggestions for improving this method, anything not already stated here. Was this too good to be true?
 
LinkedSky

LinkedSky

New Member
Sep 16, 2023
2
Hey everyone,

Been talking to a lot of people in the chat and trying to explain this method, and one user wanted me to make a post about it, so here goes everything.

We're going after a classic idea of using a blood choke, except, it will be against ourselves. In the privacy of our own homes. In a fully relaxed state.

This method is fully capable and will kill you very fast. I know this because it's what we were taught in the Marine Corps.

First, you're going to want some Gorilla tape OR a tree ratchet.

Second, get two Sackhole/Cornhole bags.

Now, depending on what you're using, you'll want to lie on the ground and put the bags on these two exact areas on your neck (In blue).

face.jpg


The reason we're lying on the ground is that we want to be able not to have to fuss over putting the bags on us and making sure they don't fall out of place before we use the ratchet or the tape. You're putting the bags on these two areas to go after the internal carotid arteries.

Start cinching the ratchet closed or wrap the tape around your neck once. Is everything feeling good? I'm glad. If not, then uncinch it a little and place the bags. You want to make sure that you're not compressing the windpipe as that could cause you to freak out a little.

We want this to be painless and fast.

After you're comfortable, sit down if you want to or stand up. Do whatever you want honestly. Start wrapping the tape around your neck more and a little tighter or start closing the ratchet more.

In about 5-20 seconds you will pass out. After that, it's pretty much game over unless you somehow hit the ratchet release. That's why I said we could also use tape as well. With the gorilla tape, it will make sure that you don't inadvertently try to tear the tap off... because it will be strong as hell around your neck.

After you pass out, it will only take a few minutes, and you will be brain dead from the complete lack of blood flow to your brain.

I think I've explained this pretty well and I hope you guys understand the method. If not, please don't hesitate and I'm sure that I can help you out or someone else in the community can help you out.
Oh wow This was well explained
 
PrisonPlanetBreak

PrisonPlanetBreak

Member
Oct 22, 2023
91
I see this method being very controversial, and I can understand why. When I first read about it, I was convinced this is the way. And I still believe it can work, but it's a bit finnicky indeed. In my trials, I have become very proficient in finding the sweet spots with my thumbs. A while ago I was in the exact same position many people still find themselves, meaning I was just unable to obtain the desired effect when pressing in my thumbs (all things considered I was always able to locate the pulsing areas). I was rarely able to get it right, and it really felt like a shot in the dark. I'd get it right about 1 out of 25 times, or something like that.

Now I don't know what happened recently, but during last week I got it down to something like 7 out of 10, as if something just weirdly clicked into place. I swear I'm not doing anything differently. I guess it's just the practice, as I assume applying this type of chokehold to other people also takes practice. And boy... is the described effect real. Seriously, I can understand the frustration of failing to achieve the effect even with your thumbs/hands, but when you do get it right, you immediately understand what OP described is true. When I do get it right, depending on the applied pressure, my vision goes blurry in like 5 to 8 seconds, but eventually, I release the pressure. Well... I don't know if I do it consciously or my hands fall inadvertently by my body. Because after my vision goes dark, I feel like rebooting and 2 seconds after pressure is released, I'm unaware of what just happened. And doing a trial this way, you don't even fully pass out (you just get on the verge). If I do it sitting up, I don't flop to the floor, but I do lose balance and I can feel my knees being very weak.

But here comes the downside. With a ratchet, I was unable to compress the sweet spots. I can only achieve what many people described here as the exploding head sensation. And after documenting myself, I understand it comes from compressing the jugular and NOT the carotid artery. That still doesn't sit well with me. I looked at many images and I see they run next to each other. It would make more sense if it was more difficult to press in with your thumbs, than tightening the ratchet. I'm not using cornhole bags, but a similarly sized solid object, and I would have expected for it to compress BOTH arteries (since the surface area of a cornhole bag is larger than that of a thumb). Yet somehow, with the ratchet, I seem to be compressing only the jugular... I guess more ratchet practice is needed, but trial runs with my hands, showed me the potential of this method.​
 
TheB0Ar

TheB0Ar

Nerd
Oct 23, 2023
6
Is it possible to use a belt instead of tree ratchet? I'd really like to try this method sometime soon but I don't want to raise the suspicion by spending the little money we have on a tree ratchet.
 
PrisonPlanetBreak

PrisonPlanetBreak

Member
Oct 22, 2023
91
Is it possible to use a belt instead of tree ratchet? I'd really like to try this method sometime soon but I don't want to raise the suspicion by spending the little money we have on a tree ratchet.
Unfortunately, I don't think a belt provides enough force, and you're at risk of it popping loose. However, small correction to look out for, cause I accidentally bought the wrong thing. You're looking for ratchet straps (used for securing loads in a trailer), not tree ratchets (yes, I know OP said tree ratchet but he linked to a ratchet strap in fact). Tree ratchets are super bulky and large, and indeed a lot more expensive. You should be looking for an endless ratchet strap (with no hook), those should be much more affordable. Of course, quality varies. Look at the stitching in pictures and decide which one looks sturdy.
 
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wasted__life__23

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Sep 9, 2023
40
Is there an ideal length for the ratchet strap? I am concerned that if it is too long then tightening effectively will be difficult.
 

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