Discussion "terminal lucidity" before CTB?

[saintvalentine]

I know in hospice there's a phenomenon where people on their death beds sometimes suddenly regain high energy or happiness, and I know it's also a phenomenon in some people planning to CTB that they can have a sense of calm/serenity before doing so.

I wonder when/what urges that sense of calm or happiness for suicidal individuals, because I'm honestly waiting for it to kick in--or is it an active choice you have to make? Maybe I need to put a date to the day I CTB and commit to it, maybe then I can experience those moments of serenity in these last days..

 

[Fadenself00_]

I think in physical illness/neurological illnesses that's a bit different from purely psychological phenomena like shortly before suicide

 

[Set Real Goul]

It's unlikely that such states can be induced consciously. rather, they were brought into that state by a particular chain of thoughts, emotions, and realizations. Those can't simply be reproduced mechanically - trying to rationalize them isn't helpful here. If we're talking about this, you might want to look up how enlightenment works in zen buddhism. I think the people with hospice experiences and CTB that you mentioned had a similar effect to this one.

 

[Lucifer’s Son]

I think in physical illness/neurological illnesses that's a bit different from purely psychological phenomena like shortly before suicide

Those people are also dying slowly, over weeks and days. I don't know of any suicide methods that take so long. They're usually also on meds like opioids to help with comfort, and are no longer eating and drinking.

 

[Forveleth]

Edit because lol, I am dumb

 

[curiousbeing]

this. I also think about it so much. They feel so similar. I think that late stage cancer patients , terminally ill patients also feel similar to us: not suicidal , but they think about their SI ,fear of death , possibility of afterlife etc

 

[Lucifer’s Son]

This happens in suicide cases and is one of the warning signs someone may kill themselves soon. Suicidal people get calm or happy before an attempt because the decision has been made and relief is coming.

As for dying people, Google could probably answer but

The Happy Feeling Some People Experience Right Before Death - Health Digest

Strangely enough, it is possible that people who are on the verge of death may feel a sudden rush of euphoria. Research has shed light on the possible reasons.

www.healthdigest.com

That's not the same thing as terminal lucidity.

 

[Forveleth]

That's not the same thing as terminal lucidity.

My bad, I totally misunderstood, what they were talking about.

 

[FF777]

i'm not sure what causes that.. but i wouldn't be expecting it in a person intentionally doing their own CTB though..

this sounds weird because it is a dog but, my mom's female dog was old and dying and laying around not eating for many days, and one day it was even doing that thing looking for a far away spot to die in.. but then like a day or two later when me and mom were watching some special on TV, the dog was on the couch with us jumping around and doing happy barks and excited and wanting to play, and i was happy the dog was doing good but she was kind of distracting us from watching the show.. and then like a few days later the dog is dead, laying down next to my mom's bed.. it was weird that it had that day of being like a normal happy dog again out of no where, even though before and after that it was just laying and not eating and not moving much.. i really don't know if it is a physical thing happening or a spiritual thing or what.. who knows..