Swiss Pegasos offers Nembutal, cremation service, open to foreigners, 10,000 Euros, over 18 is this the gold standard spot???

[Istanbulite]

10K euros is a lot of money and they won't accept depressed people.

 

[karel1987]

Reason for exit was anxiety and depression

 

[unkuto]

They ask for way too much. Considering you'd have to come there as well, stay there and etc. It's much easier and simpler to just order N by yourself and do the same thing. Idc care about cremation and funeral. Whoever will get my corpse after my death they can do whatever they want from it from organ extraction to throwing it to some pit by the road.

 

[Rational man]

They ask for way too much. Considering you'd have to come there as well, stay there and etc. It's much easier and simpler to just order N by yourself and do the same thing. Idc care about cremation and funeral. Whoever will get my corpse after my death they can do whatever they want from it from organ extraction to throwing it to some pit by the road.

We all end up in the soil, dumped in a pit, at the banks of river Ganga in India, some exotic funeral where people pretend to be upset. Its all the same. When we are gone, we are gone. That s why im having a cheap disposal with no one present apart from my executor. Who cares.

 

[befree]

They ask for way too much. Considering you'd have to come there as well, stay there and etc. It's much easier and simpler to just order N by yourself and do the same thing. Idc care about cremation and funeral. Whoever will get my corpse after my death they can do whatever they want from it from organ extraction to throwing it to some pit by the road.

Of course you would have to come to die. They do not come to your home for assisted suicide. You have to travel to Switzerland 2 days before the VAD appointment.
I found this interesting article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-suicide-clinic-sisters-paid-11-000-die.html

 

[bigbeatmanifesto]

I have at least 4 bottles of N in my home, ready to use.
But I gotta admit, this is pretty cool.

I wish I could do that legally and assisted, the world is too late.

Why so many?

 

[LeavingEarly]

I have not experienced any of what you write at Pegasos.

Did you apply to Pegasos? Were you accepted? ^^^

 

[deathbydragon]

Ten thousand fucking euros, why?
They're just fleecing desperate people.
Access to Nembutal should be far easier and cheaper than this - especially if you can't take it away with you, you have to drink it in that very room.

 

[waitingforrest]

Reading through their site—it sounds lovely. Only catch is you have to bring someone with you…

Maybe someone can be there in spirit.

But jokes aside, it's going to suck trying to find someone without raising suspicion.

 

[wljourney]

Nah, those booths look painful and distressing. It's basically like being tortured by a mass murderer. I think Philip Nitschke's Sarco would be more realistic.

I really do like the Sarco.

Those of "advanced" age may also remember the scene from Soylent Green when the old gentleman decides to go. With Swiss summer mountains surrounding him (on a screen)…

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Depending on how you look at this they accept young suicidal people. However, with the context of suicidality being linked to mental illness most of the time -- regardless if the person has it or not it's doubtful a young person would be accepted. I would imagine a physical illness would be needed with no curability. Emotional suffering or lack of interest in life from a young person is largely always seen as mental illness. Not an option for me regardless, it's a luxury.

This is very similar to Benelux countries and the planned changes in Canada.

They have a slew of criteria when they assess candidates who suffer from mental illness, especially mood disorders.

The argument is that mood disorders often come with "poor decision making skills", a false perception/distortion of reality and therefore patients with mood disorders are very often deemed "unsuitable" candidates.

As many as 80% of applications in the Benelux countries that DO allow MAID for mental health reasons deny those who suffer from mood disorders.
Some go through a second option of review and fewer than 10% get approved then.

 

[LeavingEarly]

I really do like the Sarco.

Those of "advanced" age may also remember the scene from Soylent Green when the old gentleman decides to go. With Swiss summer mountains surrounding him (on a screen)…

This is very similar to Benelux countries and the planned changes in Canada.

They have a slew of criteria when they assess candidates who suffer from mental illness, especially mood disorders.

The argument is that mood disorders often come with "poor decision making skills", a false perception/distortion of reality and therefore patients with mood disorders are very often deemed "unsuitable" candidates.

As many as 80% of applications in the Benelux countries that DO allow MAID for mental health reasons deny those who suffer from mood disorders.
Some go through a second option of review and fewer than 10% get approved then.

I don't think Canada allows foreigners to suicide tourism and you have to be terminally ill. I don't know what Benelux countries means. Do you have a link?

 

[wljourney]

I don't think Canada allows foreigners to suicide tourism and you have to be terminally ill. I don't know what Benelux countries means. Do you have a link?

No Canada doesn't allow it now and won't allow it going forward, legislation is specifically worded to include only who Canadian residents who have access to the healthcare system here to access MAID .

Benelux countries is a descriptor for Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg

 

[LeavingEarly]

No Canada doesn't allow it now and won't allow it going forward, legislation is specifically worded to include only who Canadian residents who have access to the healthcare system here to access MAID .

Benelux countries is a descriptor for Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg

Do you have links to Benelux sites like Pegasos? I am just trying to compare.

-Allows foreigners
-non terminally ill
-over 18 age requirement

 

[befree]

There are no associations like Pegasos, Dignitas, LifeCircle or Exit in Benelux.

 

[LeavingEarly]

There are no associations like Pegasos, Dignitas, LifeCircle or Exit in Benelux.

So Dignitas, Lifecircle and Exit are all like Pegasos or are there differences?

 

[HubbaHubba]

I think exit international, if you are a member, will send someone to be there with you. But joining exit is another story, you have to be at minimum I think 50 yo

Where do you see that? When I clicked on "Join Exit", the only requirement for 50 years old is to join the "Online Peaceful Pill Forums".

EDIT: from this discussion, it seems that Pegasos is not reliable? Someone put a deposit and Pegasos stopped responding...

 

[befree]

You can join Exit when you are 18 or older. To get VAD you have to be Swiss citizen.

LeavingEarly, Pegasos is different than Exit and different than all the other 5 associations (7 in total). Pegasos and Exit work with a completely different concept than the other associations.

Pagasos and Sterbehilfe.de are the only associations where you do NOT have to be ill. You have to be 18 and judgemental.
The easiest is Pegasos, the most difficult is Dignitas.

You must first become a member of one of these associations and pay the anual member fee before you can apply.

AGAIN: They all work with a different concept. You can read all the exact details on their website !

 

[wanttogetonthebus]

Nembutal

Over 18 years old only

Open to anyone from any country

10,000 Euros without air travel w/refund available

Physical, emotional or mental suffering is accepted

I found the company when researching the two ladies from USA that ctb at Pegasos.

Kind of expensive but what a solid professional option to exit. Atleast there is an option.

FAQs – Pegasos Swiss Association

pegasos-association.com

They basically won't take any young adults if you don't have significant medical documentation and full family approval FYI. Like, you won't even be considered. You can still email them to inquire if you want though. Regardless of what the law says, I was told by them that no Swiss doctor would ever prescribe to a young adult who's not terminal or who has even the smallest chance of physically surviving for most of their adulthood.

 

[befree]

They basically won't take any young adults if you don't have significant medical documentation and full family approval FYI. Like, you won't even be considered. You can still email them to inquire if you want though. Regardless of what the law says, I was told by them that no Swiss doctor would ever prescribe to a young adult who's not terminal or who has even the smallest chance of physically surviving for most of their adulthood.

A G A I N , T H I S I S N O T T R U E !

Please read Pegasos´s website ! You do NOT need" significant medical documentation and full family approval". Same applies to sterbehilfe.de.
We can continue this pointless conversation for years OR your finally read the conditions of each association.

 

[wanttogetonthebus]

A G A I N , T H I S I S N O T T R U E !

Please read Pegasos´s website ! You do NOT need" significant medical documentation and full family approval".
We can continue this pointless conversation for years OR your finally read the conditions of each association.

Email them and find out for yourself. I corresponded with them after reading their entire website. I have nothing more to say on the matter and you can believe whatever you want.

 

[befree]

I don´t have to e-mail Pegasos again to ask those questions, because I allready did. And I´m able to read.

 

[LeavingEarly]

A G A I N , T H I S I S N O T T R U E !

Please read Pegasos´s website ! You do NOT need" significant medical documentation and full family approval". Same applies to sterbehilfe.de.
We can continue this pointless conversation for years OR your finally read the conditions of each association.

Pegasos got back to me. I don't need family approval but I do need to submit paperwork and a deposit for approval. If I get rejected then I lose my deposit.

How does Pegasos compare to sterbehilfe.de?

 

[befree]

Of course you have to submit some paperwork by uploading them to their website. And of course you do NOT need family approval.
If Iyou get rejected you lose €/CHF 1.500,- of your deposit and will get back €/CHF3.500,-

Sterbehilfe.de does not offer a full service like Pegasos. You do not have to be ill, but at least 18 and judgemental. Within the EU someone comes to your home, gives you the letal drugs and leaves after the death occurs. They do not work with N, but with the so called "Kusch method" which is a cocktail of I think 3 different drugs. For this service they charge €7.000,-. The longer you are member, the cheaper it is. This price is absolutely ridiculous. They also work in Switzerland and are one of the 7 associations that I mentioned. In Switzerland you have to go their rooms.

 

[HubbaHubba]

Pegasos got back to me. I don't need family approval but I do need to submit paperwork and a deposit for approval. If I get rejected then I lose my deposit.

How does Pegasos compare to sterbehilfe.de?

I read through their website and I am still unclear what is their criteria for approval. I know they don't take people who are depressed or mentally ill, but they also say:

Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'.

What does "qualititavely poor" even mean? It's so fluffy and the chance someone can lose $1,500 euros is really high.

I get it they don't want to come up with a list of "approved reason to die", but they should at least reduce the non-refundable fee.

 

[dudeitsdarren]

I have at least 4 bottles of N in my home, ready to use.
But I gotta admit, this is pretty cool.

I wish I could do that legally and assisted, the world is too late.

Why so many bottles?

I bought 1 for tests and another 1 in case I fail


Haha, no sir... Just too paranoid

What is stopping you from using them?

I noticed so many people get their bottles and when they have all the tools to do it still postpone the act

 

[peanut5610]

can anyone help me get the email address from D? I really want to get N from him. I am new here and in my 60s, not very good and dont know much using computer but asking if anyone could help me out please....

 

[LeavingEarly]

can anyone help me get the email address from D? I really want to get N from him. I am new here and in my 60s, not very good and dont know much using computer but asking if anyone could help me out please..

I can give it to you. Just DM me.

 

[befree]

I read through their website and I am still unclear what is their criteria for approval. I know they don't take people who are depressed or mentally ill, but they also say:

Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'.

What does "qualititavely poor" even mean? It's so fluffy and the chance someone can lose $1,500 euros is really high.

I get it they don't want to come up with a list of "approved reason to die", but they should at least reduce the non-refundable fee.

They do accept applications from depressed or mentally ill people. But processing is a bit different. In this case, a psychiatrist must confirm that you are capable of judgment. Processing takes longer and you would have to pay additional /CHF 1.000,- for psychiatrist. So, if the application is rejected, you will lose €/CHF1.500,- + 1.000,-. There can be various reasons why a life is no longer worth living, "qualitatively poor". You can be in perfect health but still want to die for various reasons.

 

[wljourney]

I can give it to you. Just DM me.

Please don't do this. It is against forum rules to share source information.

There are a few reasons for this:

- not enabling people who are in acute crisis
- safety guard for you to later be held responsible for their death
- safety guard for all of us to not get shut down
- safety guard for D not to be identified by law enforcement

What you can do is link to the PPeH.

 

[LeavingEarly]

Please don't do this. It is against forum rules to share source information.

There are a few reasons for this:

- not enabling people who are in acute crisis
- safety guard for you to later be held responsible for their death
- safety guard for all of us to not get shut down
- safety guard for D not to be identified by law enforcement

What you can do is link to the PPeH.

Ok I did not send it.
Pegasos got back to me but is requesting medical records. I did not keep all my hospitalization records for my schizoaffective disorder unfortunately... I guess I can call these places but good luck getting someone on the phone or actually having the records show up for me.