Suicide watch?

[AngelGirl]

I googled suicide watch and I read this from Wikipedia.


I was ... put on eyeball status, stripped of belongings, clothing, placed naked in a room with nothing but a plastic mattress on the floor. Watched 24 hours a day by a man or woman. I was on my period but because of my status not allowed to have tampons or underwear. I was very humiliated, degraded. Being on eyeball status with male officers, my depression intensified. I didn't want to be violated any more than I already was, so I put the mattress up against the window. When I did that I was in violation because they couldn't see me. The door was forced open, I was physically restrained in four-point restraints - arms, legs spreadeagled, tied to the floor, naked, helmet on head, men and women in the room.[3]


I feel so bad for this lady, I think an experience like this can really be the last stroke for me to end it all.

The Wikipedia page doesn't say her full name.. it only says Elizabeth B., an inmate of Framingham prison in Massachusetts, USA.

I wonder if she actually killed herself after this?

 

[ScorpiusDragon]

Same. I feel bad for her too. If I went through an experience like that, I think that would be enough to push me over the edge.

 

[Ruffian]

I googled suicide watch and I read this from Wikipedia.


I was ... put on eyeball status, stripped of belongings, clothing, placed naked in a room with nothing but a plastic mattress on the floor. Watched 24 hours a day by a man or woman. I was on my period but because of my status not allowed to have tampons or underwear. I was very humiliated, degraded. Being on eyeball status with male officers, my depression intensified. I didn't want to be violated any more than I already was, so I put the mattress up against the window. When I did that I was in violation because they couldn't see me. The door was forced open, I was physically restrained in four-point restraints - arms, legs spreadeagled, tied to the floor, naked, helmet on head, men and women in the room.[3]


I feel so bad for this lady, I think an experience like this can really be the last stroke for me to end it all.

The Wikipedia page doesn't say her full name.. it only says Elizabeth B., an inmate of Framingham prison in Massachusetts, USA.

I wonder if she actually killed herself after this?

That's why you never say you want to ctb out loud in any institution, prison, hospital, whatever. I had a roommate get herself put on suicide watch in the psyche ward. I already couldn't stand her, but that was the final blow. Flashlights every 1/2 hr, our light on, and a dude sitting outside the door all night. I had to suffer all night because of her big mouth and cry for attention. I don't know if this lady you quoted even did anything, it sounds like she was straight up abused. I don't know how this shit goes on with CCTV everywhere and supposed prison reforms. What a joke.

 

[ladolcemorte]

I don't know anything about the law in Mass. but this sounds like it should be a human rights complaint....I HOPE that experience is atypical....but I don't have the information to say whether it is or isn't....

 

[Thanatos]

That's why you never say you want to ctb out loud in any institution, prison, hospital, whatever. I had a roommate get herself put on suicide watch in the psyche ward. I already couldn't stand her, but that was the final blow. Flashlights every 1/2 hr, our light on, and a dude sitting outside the door all night. I had to suffer all night because of her big mouth and cry for attention. I don't know if this lady you quoted even did anything, it sounds like she was straight up abused. I don't know how this shit goes on with CCTV everywhere and supposed prison reforms. What a joke.

I would be pretty frustrated if put in that position too, but I doubt she meant to have any of that. She was probably just scared and naive

 

[Ruffian]

I don't know anything about the law in Mass. but this sounds like it should be a human rights complaint....I HOPE that experience is atypical....but I don't have the information to say whether it is or isn't....

That's what I mean, isn't that something like Amnesty would handle? I mean it was 21 years ago, but who would investigate such a thing? A psyche ward watch is a pain in the ass, but rolling around the floor in your own menstrual blood sounds more than inhumane, and would even provoke a CDC investigation? Like, how did the physics actually go down? Now that I think about it, you rarely see any news about prisons in general in the US. Is it like that everywhere?

 

[AngelGirl]

That's what I mean, isn't that something like Amnesty would handle? I mean it was 21 years ago, but who would investigate such a thing? A psyche ward watch is a pain in the ass, but rolling around the floor in your own menstrual blood sounds more than inhumane, and would even provoke a CDC investigation? Like, how did the physics actually go down? Now that I think about it, you rarely see any news about prisons in general in the US. Is it like that everywhere?

When I was hospitalized I was actually on my period... and they didn't have tampons.... they did have pads... but they didn't provide me with underwear...

So.... yup....... just a pad and the pants they provide you at the hospital..

But my relative brought me some underwear and tampons later.

 

[oopswronglife]

I thought this was going to be about a wristwatch that injected you with poison when it struck a predetermined alarm time, or some such thing. Disappointed.

 

[Ruffian]

I thought this was going to be about a wristwatch that injected you with poison when it struck a predetermined alarm time, or some such thing. Disappointed.

That took me a minute - wish there were such a thing.

 

[AngelGirl]

I thought this was going to be about a wristwatch that injected you with poison when it struck a predetermined alarm time, or some such thing. Disappointed.

It would be very convenient to have something like that lol

 

[PatKat]

Yea its pretty awful. When you get sent to a psych ward in my area they check on you every 10 minutes to make sure you are still breating also. No peace for me i am too watched. :(

 

[Donewith_]

What kind of fucked up thing is this.. is it true? Inhumane, disgusting treatment.
Do they want to help people or push people over the egde?

 

[Rocksandsand]

One of my closest friends is a 42 year old woman, and she has spent her life in and out of psych wards. The horror stories she has are absolutely disgusting, and completely shatter your faith in humanity.

She's been in four point restraints for days at a time, in seclusion for days, forced injections, raped in hospital by patients and 'nurses.' And she is only 42. She was first taken to an institution when she was 12. This has all been allowed to happen in the last 30 years.

Do not trust psych services. Psychiatrists and nurses are by no means altruistic people. When did it become okay to torture people? Even moreso under the label of 'care'

 

[Ruffian]

One of my closest friends is a 42 year old woman, and she has spent her life in and out of psych wards. The horror stories she has are absolutely disgusting, and completely shatter your faith in humanity.

She's been in four point restraints for days at a time, in seclusion for days, forced injections, raped in hospital by patients and 'nurses.' And she is only 42. She was first taken to an institution when she was 12. This has all been allowed to happen in the last 30 years.

Do not trust psych services. Psychiatrists and nurses are by no means altruistic people. When did it become okay to torture people? Even moreso under the label of 'care'

Is this in US? I've never had even close to that happen. I was straight jacketed once, but I was being really aggressive. Once I calmed down they let me out. I was coming off an OD, and don't remember a lot of it. It turned out to be a pretty decent stay. I was in wth cool peopke and the food was good.

 

[Rocksandsand]

Is this in US? I've never had even close to that happen. I was straight jacketed once, but I was being really aggressive. Once I calmed down they let me out. I was coming off an OD, and don't remember a lot of it. It turned out to be a pretty decent stay. I was in wth cool peopke and the food was good.

Australian institutions in the 90s and 00s. In the 90s the old institutions were disbanded for the hospital model. I also have a friend who is the head of nursing staff at a major hospital in my state, and people still spend days in seclusion at a time. I work in a youth crisis facility and in the years I have been there, I've never seen a young person in seclusion for more than 20 minutes and that's with a person constantly interacting with them at the door (I have massive ethical issues with seclusion - particularly young people, and so much so that it's caused issues at work).

The whole system is fucked. I don't think people realise how damaging restraint and seclusion is. How long ago was your straight jacket experience?

 

[AngelGirl]

Is this in US? I've never had even close to that happen. I was straight jacketed once, but I was being really aggressive. Once I calmed down they let me out. I was coming off an OD, and don't remember a lot of it. It turned out to be a pretty decent stay. I was in wth cool peopke and the food was good.

I think this can really happen in the US. They do give injections when they think the patient is out of control. And rape in psych wards can happen.

I also saw a patient restrained and secluded when I was hospitalized although I don't exactly know what that patient did.

I actually have a psychiatrist friend and when he was seeing psych ward inpatients he saw two patients having anal sex. I asked him if they were both able to consent. He told me he doesn't know. And this happened in a hospital in NY.

Sex in psych wards happen. I think rape is just as likely.

 

[Baskol1]

these people are sadistic, and abuse their power.

 

[Ruffian]

I think this can really happen in the US. They do give injections when they think the patient is out of control. And rape in psych wards can happen.

I also saw a patient restrained and secluded when I was hospitalized although I don't exactly know what that patient did.

I actually have a psychiatrist friend and when he was seeing psych ward inpatients he saw two patients having anal sex. I asked him if they were both able to consent. He told me he doesn't know. And this happened in a hospital in NY.

Sex in psych wards happen. I think rape is just as likely.

Ugh. Makes me sick. The worst things I've seen in psyche wards are depressing conditions and homeless people looking for a bed. I guess rapes happen, but I've never seen anything like that. I've actually thought about going voluntary, but every place I call is so rude I end up exhausted. That's another reason I want to ctb, the way all of a sudden it's ok to be totally rude even in customer service positions. Small talk doesn't exist, and I know people hate it, but it used to be a little pleasantry for me. Sigh

 

[Baskol1]

Ugh. Makes me sick. The worst things I've seen in psyche wards are depressing conditions and homeless people looking for a bed. I guess rapes happen, but I've never seen anything like that. I've actually thought about going voluntary, but every place I call is so rude I end up exhausted. That's another reason I want to ctb, the way all of a sudden it's ok to be totally rude even in customer service positions. Small talk doesn't exist, and I know people hate it, but it used to be a little pleasantry for me. Sigh

people only care when youre somewhat wealthy if you commit suicide.

 

[Ruffian]

Australian institutions in the 90s and 00s. In the 90s the old institutions were disbanded for the hospital model. I also have a friend who is the head of nursing staff at a major hospital in my state, and people still spend days in seclusion at a time. I work in a youth crisis facility and in the years I have been there, I've never seen a young person in seclusion for more than 20 minutes and that's with a person constantly interacting with them at the door (I have massive ethical issues with seclusion - particularly young people, and so much so that it's caused issues at work).

The whole system is fucked. I don't think people realise how damaging restraint and seclusion is. How long ago was your straight jacket experience?

That was like 10 years ago and I'm surprised they didn't gag me. I called the head nurse a bitch screaming in her face, telling the whole pjace I would burn it down, you know la la land. Mad I got saved and was fucking alive. I'm not joking though, that place was my best hospital stay. It was a good mix of people, and I really bonded with this one group. You know those relationships don't last.

Now that I think about it, I did see a guy get restrained and trsnquilized, but he was trying to attack another patient. Idk what happened after that.

 

[Ruffian]

Idk if this makes any sense, but I think I may have gotten lucky with the time I was first diagnosed with bipolar. I didn't want to be there, but they really took care of you. Kept you for 2 weeks and did lots of different groups and therapies, now it's in and out so fast for just a med checks.

 

[restingspot]

I think this can really happen in the US. They do give injections when they think the patient is out of control. And rape in psych wards can happen.

I also saw a patient restrained and secluded when I was hospitalized although I don't exactly know what that patient did.

I actually have a psychiatrist friend and when he was seeing psych ward inpatients he saw two patients having anal sex. I asked him if they were both able to consent. He told me he doesn't know. And this happened in a hospital in NY.

Sex in psych wards happen. I think rape is just as likely.

It definitely does happen, moreso with incredibly ill patients (people with schizophrenia, delusions, who've been broken mentally by abuse/other trauma, etc). It's free game for employees to do whatever they want to them, because people will put the illness first before the person (e.g. "This person probably saw a delusion because of their schizophrenia, just give them some meds and it'll be ok."), and non-hospital healthcare (psych wards, senior homes, community facilities, etc) are RIFE with abusive employees, it's a real problem in the US.

 

[Ruffian]

It definitely does happen, moreso with incredibly ill patients (people with schizophrenia, delusions, who've been broken mentally by abuse/other trauma, etc). It's free game for employees to do whatever they want to them, because people will put the illness first before the person (e.g. "This person probably saw a delusion because of their schizophrenia, just give them some meds and it'll be ok."), and non-hospital healthcare (psych wards, senior homes, community facilities, etc) are RIFE with abusive employees, it's a real problem in the US.

I agree totally with this. I have no one to look after me as I get older, so if I am still around I want the tools of self delivery