Suicide prevention is evil

[lululoo]

This would hold a little more weight if the poster l was engaging with in a manner of which you're so disapproving consistently exhibited an interaction style which meets the standard you describe. He does not.

I would also add the quality in terms of soundness and integrity of an argument is of lesser importance than the manner in which they're expressed is an unsound logic, if this is the collective mentality of this forum then it goes some way to explaining why some of rather more, er, 'controversial' socio-political views consistently expressed on this forum go unchecked and are essentially enabled as a result.

I think soundness of an argument is very important. I wouldn't disagree with your argument and agree with someone else just because you expressed yourself unkindly. All I am addressing is that I disagree with a certain manner of expressing opinions. I am not saying that the other person wins the argument because they didn't call you an idiot.

Trust me I am also bothered by certain crazy political views found here. But I doubt that responding aggressively is what will stamp them out.

I'm going to stop now, don't have it in me for this.

 

[Redt2go]

So much text in this thread. Breaking it up with a dumb pic

 

[Choice]

I'm going to stop now, don't have it in me for this.

I've read through this thread. You've made several thoughtful and genuine contributions. However, you've been shouted over and talked down to.

Tbh I think you're doing it wrong. If you want to play in threads like this, may I suggest the following:

1. This is a pissing contest. If you don't have a penis, you are not going to do very well at all. You just aren't. Please leave.
2. Opinions are not acceptable. Only facts and logic count. Sensible comments are irritating, and they get in the way of, you know, pissing. If you can't play the game, pull up your girls pants and go home now.
3. Size matters. If you have a smallish penis, use really big words and no-one will notice. Or waggle your testicles around in a cute and endearing manner. Everyone will love you.
4. Don't be reasonable, and don't be courteous. Jesus, that's just lame, and plain embarrassing.
5. Be angry and aggressive and funny. Don't be a snowflake. Snowflakes don't have dicks and so, duh, can't play the game.
6. You must have a really big penis to smack everyone else down. When they are down, sneak up behind them and use your quite large testicles to smother them. Hahaha. So funny. Testicles are tools.
7. The last man to shake his dick is the winner.

This is how the game works. Pls pay attention.

Pissing contests are not unique to humans. Trevor Corson's "The Secret Life of Lobsters" describes a pissing match between lobsters:

The American lobster urinates not from some posterior region of its body, but directly out the front of its face. Two bladders inside the head hold copious amounts of urine, which the lobster squirts through a pair of muscular nozzles beneath its antennae. These powerful streams mix with the gill outflow and are carried some five feet ahead of the lobster in its plume ... What the researchers discovered during the ensuing fights was that dueling lobsters accompanied their most punishing blows during combat by intense squirts of piss at the opponent's face. What was more, in scenes akin to a showdown at the OK Corral, the winner of the physical combat almost always turned out to be the lobster that had urinated first. And well after the fight was over, the winner kept pissing. By contrast, the loser shuts off his urine valves immediately.

 

[Chinaski]

Tbh I think you're doing it wrong. If you want to play in threads like this, may I suggest the following:

some vague stuff about penises

Weird that you should post all this now, it's very much at odds with the position you took earlier in this thread with the very strange stuff about child sex abuse that has now gone missing, it was very unclear as to whether you were angry about children being unable to suicide, or were taking a pot shot at those endorsing child suicide. It's a shame it's now deleted, we could've measured it against your own weird cock criteria.

 

[Chinaski]

Ach, no, found it, here it is. Wtf.

So, he's arguing along the lines of "parents, if your child wants to kill themselves, trying to stop them is evil". Right. So let your child suicide. Do nothing about Uncle Bert turning up each week and raping your child night after night. I mean, if the child was considering suicide as an impulsive act, then that's not ok. But, if your child has a deep seated, long held wish to die - do not stop them! You didn't deserve to have a child, and it was cruel and selfish of you to have a child. You bought the child into the world to suffer. Children are entitled to kill themselves you evil undeserving inconsiderate pro-life arseholes.

 

[Johnnythefox]

horseshit could perhaps be better directed at the folks who trot out puerile alt-right crap, misogynistic bitterness, snake-oilers on the make, the numerous alts of weird stalkers, the fakers, the phoneys, the outright and obvious liars, than it is at those who simply post in a style which you personally dislike.

 

[Choice]

Weird that you should post all this now, it's very much at odds with the position you took earlier in this thread with the very strange stuff about child sex abuse that has now gone missing, it was very unclear as to whether you were angry about children being unable to suicide, or were taking a pot shot at those endorsing child suicide. It's a shame it's now deleted, we could've measured it against your own weird cock criteria.

Weird cock criteria? Nothing was deleted. I said that children can and do suicide after terrible things such as abuse. That's not ok. That was my opinion, and it still is.

So, why exactly are you bringing my words back into this? What's your point?

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

They do. That is literally how it is, right now, for all of us.

They don't, most suicide attempts (even the serious ones) aren't successfull.

I'm talking about allowing painless/effective methods of suicide, at least not making them illegal, there would be providers as long as the government doesn't make it illegal.

If that were the cases, the customs wouldn't have seized my N for instance (since it wouldn't be illegal in that scenario).

 

[Meretlein]

What do you propose here? A free to use Dignitas clinic at every GP surgery? Seriously, this site is littered with so much of this abject bullshit about how Society ls Evil for not making death accessible yet it's always couched in vague cod-philiosophy and devoid of any practical suggestions for progress in this regard that l find it hard to take seriously at all.

Governments have censored the PPH. Companies have also started adding oxygen and lung irritants to inert gas canisters like helium. They want to make a peaceful death impossible for everyone. I agree that we cannot compel someone to kill us but always assuming life is better than death is a pretty naive attitude that society has.

 

[Chinaski]

So, why exactly are you bringing my words back into this? What's your point?

The point is you complement your original post of inscrutable babble with a follow up encouraging the tone-policing of another poster (which is weird in the first place, given this involves permitting a fully-fledged alt-rightist bang on about how G4S suicide kiosks are the sign of a compassionate society), and in doing so bemoan the lack of "sensible" input with a lengthy contribution about penises and lobsters.

It's better than that guy's necrophiliac poem, l suppose.

 

[Chinaski]

Governments have censored the PPH.

The most sought after content in the ppeh is the contact of a drug trafficker, and this is available, for free.

If that were the cases, the customs wouldn't have seized my N for instance (since it wouldn't be illegal in that scenario).

Barbiturates would still be illegal. They aren't considered a class B drug purely because of a pro-life conspiracy to prevent ctb.

 

[Choice]

The point is you complement your original post of inscrutable babble with a follow up encouraging the tone-policing of another poster (which is weird in the first place, given this involves permitting a fully-fledged alt-rightist bang on about how G4S suicide kiosks are the sign of a compassionate society), and in doing so bemoan the lack of "sensible" input with a lengthy contribution about penises and lobsters.

It's better than that guy's necrophiliac poem, l suppose.

I didn't think my first post was inscrutable babble. It wasn't clever or funny, but it was what I genuinely thought. I absolutely don't believe that children should be allowed to kill themselves even if they want to. But sadly, kids who have been abused or bullied too often do exactly that. Defending their right to do this is a monstrous distortion of the cause of the problem.

My subsequent critical post about penises and lobsters was not bemoaning the lack of sensible posts. It was a criticism of a thread that was an aggressive pissing contest, where someone who tried to contribute and made some good points was rudely smacked down. I found that unpleasant.

You seem to be popular here, you are smart and witty, and you play to the crowd imo. However, you only have one gear. Attack and humiliate anyone who disagrees with you. Sure, sometimes it may be provoked, so go for it. But other times it is nothing but pure aggression directed toward people who really don't deserve it, and may not be as good as you at fighting back.

Your avalanche of hostility doesn't bother me, and I'm not here often enough to give a fuck. But you could be a bit kinder to people who are gentle and not aggressive, but still want to contribute to the discussion. Or, if you really can't be courteous, you don't have to attack them. Just leave them alone and carry on the pissing contest you are having with a couple of dickheads.

I thought the lobster thing was kinda funny. I still do. It is exactly what this thread looks like to me.

 

[Chinaski]

You seem to be popular here, you are smart and witty, and you play to the crowd imo. However, you only have one gear. Attack and humiliate anyone who disagrees with you. Sure, sometimes it may be provoked, so go for it. But other times it is nothing but pure aggression directed toward people who really don't deserve it, and may not be as good as you at fighting back.

Your avalanche of hostility doesn't bother me, and I'm not here often enough to give a fuck. But you could be a bit kinder to people who are gentle and not aggressive, but still want to contribute to the discussion. Or, if you really can't be courteous, you don't have to attack them. Just leave them alone and carry on the pissing contest you are having with a couple of dickheads.

Very strange for someone who registers on a Saturday to be saying this so soon after registering, especially for someone who "isn't here enough to give a fuck". We've clearly met before.

Btw I'm never going to be "kind" to alt-right types anywhere, and this includes those who pour their dreadful politics on here, the fact that it's a suicide forum should not give that shit a pass, if people (and it's usually the same ones here) are going to present their more controversial political opinions so enthusiastically and obnoxiously it's perfectly acceptable to push back against it. But you know this already.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I love the way threads on this site can go from "should we trust the worldview of the bearded man with the drumkit" to lobsters to a picture of a fox and a man eating popcorn and the suggestion of a suicide booth in each doctor surgery, like a sort of happy snaps photograph booth. Amazing. I couldn't buy this sort of entertainment.

 

[AveryConure]

These alt-right ppl are one of the reasons I want to ctb so like yeah no they can kiss my ass before I finally do it right.

 

[RainAndSadness]

These alt-right ppl are one of the reasons I want to ctb so like yeah no they can kiss my ass before I finally do it right.

I second that.

 

[BlackDragonof1989]

*hugs everyone warmly and chuckles because of the chaise, though a bit sadly* I missed this place I have some catching up to do awuhrr <3

 

[JustAboutDone]

*hugs everyone warmly and chuckles because of the chaise, though a bit sadly* I missed this place I have some catching up to do awuhrr <3

Awwww love you @BlackDragonof1989

 

[BlackDragonof1989]

Awwww love you @BlackDragonof1989

I love you too JustA outDone you always are so giving and supportive on here it does not go unappreciated

 

[lululoo]

I didn't think my first post was inscrutable babble. It wasn't clever or funny, but it was what I genuinely thought. I absolutely don't believe that children should be allowed to kill themselves even if they want to. But sadly, kids who have been abused or bullied too often do exactly that. Defending their right to do this is a monstrous distortion of the cause of the problem.

My subsequent critical post about penises and lobsters was not bemoaning the lack of sensible posts. It was a criticism of a thread that was an aggressive pissing contest, where someone who tried to contribute and made some good points was rudely smacked down. I found that unpleasant.

You seem to be popular here, you are smart and witty, and you play to the crowd imo. However, you only have one gear. Attack and humiliate anyone who disagrees with you. Sure, sometimes it may be provoked, so go for it. But other times it is nothing but pure aggression directed toward people who really don't deserve it, and may not be as good as you at fighting back.

Your avalanche of hostility doesn't bother me, and I'm not here often enough to give a fuck. But you could be a bit kinder to people who are gentle and not aggressive, but still want to contribute to the discussion. Or, if you really can't be courteous, you don't have to attack them. Just leave them alone and carry on the pissing contest you are having with a couple of dickheads.

I thought the lobster thing was kinda funny. I still do. It is exactly what this thread looks like to me.

Thank you thank you. This was crazy and so unnecessary.

 

[Chinaski]

Thank you thank you. This was crazy and so unnecessary.

What was "crazy"? This is perhaps an exaggeration for dramatic purposes.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

Couldn't a suicide forum be one place where people go without being demeaned? I don't like wandering into various threads and seeing this. It taints what should be a safe haven.

It absolutely shocks me too that even on a suicide forum, where many of us go/come because we're already at our wits' end, some of us feel OK attacking others. I guess this is the result of the otherwise omnipresent hate "snowflakes" culture and what seems inevitable of anonymous chat services.

 

[lululoo]

What was "crazy"? This is perhaps an exaggeration for dramatic purposes.

A thousand apologies for my hyperbole.

I just felt like all I did was comment on the attacking going on. I didn't insult you and I tried to have a reasonable exchange. But everything I said was just somehow wrong to you and garnered more insults. Then you get likes and applauded for doing what you do. I just don't get it and wish I had never said anything.

I will refrain from commenting on what you say anymore and try to go back to peacefully enjoying this forum. Which for me is possible to do even with repetitive posts or politics I disagree with.

 

[Chinaski]

I guess this is the result of the otherwise omnipresent hate "snowflakes" culture

I'll be honest here and admit l don't know what this means, but if someone is going to put out an essentially political opinion which may be rather on the flimsy side it's absolutely fair game that the individual concerned may have to subsequently defend that opinion. If someone is to persistently and, by their own admission provocatively, present a deliberately controversial political stance with confidence, it's not "bullying" to challenge that opinion. The idea of a safe space to discuss ctb should not be extended to those wishing to discuss far-right politics, eugenics, overt and undiluted racism and misogyny etc in the way it so often it. You'll find that often that is where the "hate" is.

 

[Chlo]

The idea of a safe space to discuss ctb should not be extended to those wishing to discuss far-right politics, eugenics, overt and undiluted racism and misogyny etc in the way it so often it. You'll find that often that is where the "hate" is.

Wait, when did all that come up? I guess I'm missing something, but then again I haven't been here for very long.

 

[TAW122]

Ok, could everyone just go back on topic now? I get that @Chinaski disagrees with me and maybe some others, but really, I think we should drop the petty insults and back and forth and just focus on the original topic here. Also in regards to personal attacks, they are not appreciated at all and does not help the discussion at all.

 

[Chinaski]

I didn't insult you and I tried to have a reasonable exchange. But everything I said was just somehow wrong to you and garnered more insults. Then you get likes and applauded for doing what you do.

In fairness l don't think l engaged in an unreasonable way with you, however l do genuinely fail to understand why you'd feel the need to leap in and defend positions you apparently disagree with simply because you don't like the tone of the person challenging them. I still don't tbqh, especially when the person l was engaging with at that time has a history of deliberately provocative posting and has been known to climb into the pms to insult other users in a far from pleasant way. Cry bullying is also a legit form of bullying imo, this is a routine modus operandi of some users here and l don't wear it. No harm done here, l have no personal gripe with you but l will pretty much always respond in a prickly fashion when someone decides to leap in and defend an alt-rightist who has literally admitted to having a provocative intent within his own posts.

 

[lululoo]

Wait, when did all that come up? I guess I'm missing something, but then again I haven't been here for very long.

Yeah I don't know if it's because I really only skimmed some of the posts but I did not catch on to all that going on. And I'm not going to dig into every poster's history to find out if they are misogynist or alt-right or whatever.

 

[Johnnythefox]

especially when the person l was engaging with at that time has a history of deliberately provocative posting.

 

[OfficerK]

Certain political opinions are arguably aggressive and hostile in and of themselves even if the language used to convey them doesn't reflect that. Im not sure if I agree that all contributions deserve to be treated with equal amounts of respect. Perhaps it's necessary to weed them out swiftly before they become normalized and drag down the quality of the discussions here on the forum. The main objection to this, which I'm not sure I'm able to give a proper counterargument against, is that someone has to determine what is acceptable and what is not, other than what I personally feel is right and wrong. And of course I realize that the reason why we're forced to use this forum is because other people believe that our views fall into the "unacceptable" category.

In short, finding a middle-ground between being too lenient and unproductive and too restrictive and circlejerky is hard.