I wouldn't know where to start to get it thank you for replying ive tried every medical route and every alternative therapy just no cure and I don't even know whats caused this and its too extreme to live with its horrific day in day out deafening hammering drilling what the hell has happened to me I was so fit healthy and well with a lovely life I must sound like a broken record but im so desperate to be well or not here living like this not even functioning to much anxiety too has made me so physically ill I look and feel diabolical
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SinisterKid
Visionary
- Jun 1, 2019
- 2,113
I so so wish I had some answers for you Susan, but I dont. Mine drives me nuts sometimes, but its not to the stage where it is making me so miserable as it is doing to you. I have other issues.
If you really feel there are no other options, please, use the resources here and maybe find a PDF of the PPH, it has a lot of good info in it. But research well and be certain its what you want. Its so easy to get it wrong and make matters worse, if that is possible right now. In your shoes I would get another GP before doing anything else and make a double appointment and tell them you wont leave until you get some help. I just cannot suggest anything else right now.
If you really feel there are no other options, please, use the resources here and maybe find a PDF of the PPH, it has a lot of good info in it. But research well and be certain its what you want. Its so easy to get it wrong and make matters worse, if that is possible right now. In your shoes I would get another GP before doing anything else and make a double appointment and tell them you wont leave until you get some help. I just cannot suggest anything else right now.
SinisterKid
Visionary
- Jun 1, 2019
- 2,113
SN, can be bought on E Bay, but reputable sellers will only sell to registered companies with photo ID needed as well. The others appear to be supplying school lab grade gear which is not pure enough to ctb. If you know how to access the deep web, not the dark web, the deep web, then you will find markets there, which are perfectly legal, that supply SN in pure forms. Look for ones with the highest reps. If you need help with how to gain access to the deep web, send me a message here and I can let you have links.
The other option is to ask in the forum if anyone knows of a reputable supplier. Someone gave me links to one of the E BAY suppliers, which when looked at closely, were saying they sold 99% pure SN, but they were making newer listings when people posted poor reviews about the seller.
The other option is to ask in the forum if anyone knows of a reputable supplier. Someone gave me links to one of the E BAY suppliers, which when looked at closely, were saying they sold 99% pure SN, but they were making newer listings when people posted poor reviews about the seller.
GeorgeJL
Enlightened
- Mar 7, 2019
- 1,621
It's going to be pretty painful to stop eating and drinking at least without some palliative care.
suicide by not eating and dehydration seems abit of a bad method. I had an eating disorder when I was young, anorexia, ate a couple of crackers a day. was threatened with being sectioned if i didn't eat, still didn't eat. one day I just got better and now overweight! anyway it would be very very very slow, and you would just end up with them putting an NG tube down you, and you wouldn't have any choice, theyd put drips up. unless you live in the middle of nowhere alone, itd be hard.
I got SN on ebay really easily! no questions, nothing .
I'm currently not eating. I'm drinking because I've heard dying of dehydration is quite painful. This is Day 6 for me. It was hard the first couple of days but now I only really feel hunger for a couple seconds here and there. It's hard though. I started puking yesterday. I puked today too twice. I have nothing on my stomach so that part isn't pleasant because I get really hot and sweaty. I've been researching and by not eating I'm more likely to die first of a infection caused by starvation than starvation alone. I'm preparing for feeling worse but I know I can get through it. It's hard though and probably not a great way to ctb because it takes time. It could be up to a month.
alizee
Arcanist
- Jul 22, 2018
- 452
Sorry you've read wrong online. Dying of dehydration and without food is better than only dying without food.
I've went a few days without food & water to test this method but stopped. Hunger & thirst stopped around day 3 and headaches were a pain. Also going to the bathroom is painful. I'm thinking if I do a next go on this method I'll use marijuana to help with the pain.
Related article of interest: https://www.politico.eu/article/noa-pothoven-euthanasia-that-wasnt-suicide-mental-illness-anorexia/
The woman in the article used this method when denied euthanasia.
That was a very interesting article thanks for sharing it with me.
I suspect you are in Switzerland can you help me with Dignitas at all or do you know anything about them why wont they help me
Roger
I Liked Ike
- May 11, 2019
- 973
I think that @GeorgeJL has told us that he lives in Illinois.
He can answer for himself, of course, and possibly may do, when daylight arrives in Chicago.
Oh thank you I shouldn't even be asking such a thing ignore me everyone. Wish I knew how to go never knew it was this difficult but then I had no need to sad I want my life back most people can live with tinnitus but for me its so loud its dementing and I cant function I can do nothing I did I was capable independent caring generous happy what did I do to deserve this terrible fate its cruel
Ive tried I don't know how to get it or pay for it im no good with technology and with the tinnitus so loud I cant concentrate on anything ive tried a little walk but cant even take the outside noise whats happened to me this is horrendous I feel trapped in someone elses nighmare this shouldn't be happening to anyone one little pair of ears making a person so very ill ive had so much medically this isn't fair had my quota and some always recovered got well even from cancer what have I done to deserve this always been a good person wish I could pay someone to help me I cant take this any longer anything but this anything I could have coped with but deafening hammering roaring 24/7 its horrendous making me so physically sick now with the anxiety wish id would just drop dead to be honest
How old are you? If 50 exit international could help you. Yeah that sounds really horrible
:( how did you get the tinnitus from medication or?
Im 63 went to bed one night and woke up with this it was loud but nothing like it is now its now more than a person can endure never lets up its deafening pneumatic drill hammering roaring and hissing and all normal sounds are deafening anxiety horrendous how do I find 50 exit international where are they based please
https://exitinternational.net/
Exit is a non-profit Australian public company with an online membership of around 30,000 supporters around the world.
Exit is supported by a small staff & an active network of volunteers.
Exit's income is achieved from memberships, bequests and other donations.
The average age of Exit members is 75 years. The vast majority of Exit members are the well elderly. A significant minority of members are seriously ill.
You could probably write to Phillip Nitschke, he's helped others who have struggled to end things. Because you're over 50 they will support you.
I don't know if the website would overwhelm you though?
Exit is a non-profit Australian public company with an online membership of around 30,000 supporters around the world.
Exit is supported by a small staff & an active network of volunteers.
Exit's income is achieved from memberships, bequests and other donations.
The average age of Exit members is 75 years. The vast majority of Exit members are the well elderly. A significant minority of members are seriously ill.
You could probably write to Phillip Nitschke, he's helped others who have struggled to end things. Because you're over 50 they will support you.
I don't know if the website would overwhelm you though?
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Ive contacted them and they have told me to send e mail how can they help do you think can they help me I cant hang on much longer now
I would explain your situation. If they can see you are of sound mind but have no way out, which you don't.
They are good contacts to have. If you have their support.
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Thank you everyday is getting harder than the last today has been horrific on top of the noise the body bouncing from the sheer anxiety of trying to stand this is as if someone is electrocuting me how can this happen to a person ive tried every medical route possible now spent thousands trying to get answers diagnosis help with the anxiety overcome a terrible cancer to be taken out demented by Tinnitus life would be so easy good happy healthy busy calm ive always been so happy looking after others if everyone around me was ok I was ok I don't get this or why or what could have caused it so sorry to go on and on im very desperate now and so ill wasn't with ill with cancer and that was only 9 months of operations and chemotherapy they only gave me 2 months to live and that was 40 years ago I don't deserve this now no one deserves to be demented or suffering with whatever brings everyone to this site
GeorgeJL
Enlightened
- Mar 7, 2019
- 1,621
spider2020
Member
- Sep 20, 2020
- 27
I've seen recently a few documentaries on yt and vimeo. Voluntary stopping eating and drinking (VSED) was used by people that did not look sick despite the pathology (elderly person that could walk and talk normally), or had a neurological disease with which you can cohexist for years or decades while your body is almost perfectly healthy.
It's presented as a peaceful way to ctb and legal way to do it as self euthanasia almost in every country where one could not be forced in medical care withouth consent, that includes eating and drinking via tubes or natural ways.
VSED is something I was thinking about, because I could live with excruciating pain all my life, could not stand or sit for more than 10-20 minutes, having 9 or 10 pain attacks while I become paraplegic or thetraplegic.
In the meantime I can't be moved even for a medical visit without suffering or risking, and palliative care was refused, but this is another story.
Could VSED an alternative solution to SN?
With VSED the body "calms downs" and after some day hunger and thirst disappear. Death comes in final days with unconsciousness and palliative care is usually provided.
It's presented as a peaceful way to ctb and legal way to do it as self euthanasia almost in every country where one could not be forced in medical care withouth consent, that includes eating and drinking via tubes or natural ways.
VSED is something I was thinking about, because I could live with excruciating pain all my life, could not stand or sit for more than 10-20 minutes, having 9 or 10 pain attacks while I become paraplegic or thetraplegic.
In the meantime I can't be moved even for a medical visit without suffering or risking, and palliative care was refused, but this is another story.
Could VSED an alternative solution to SN?
With VSED the body "calms downs" and after some day hunger and thirst disappear. Death comes in final days with unconsciousness and palliative care is usually provided.
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I've considered this option as well, however when I've been really ill as in psychosis, I go for days without drinking fluids snd eating, the last time the episode docs gave me an IV of saline whilst I was completely out of it in a completely different world.
spider2020
Member
- Sep 20, 2020
- 27
So when you were administered saline IV you were not in a state of full consciousness so that your choice to stop drinking and eating could be considered voluntary: it was considered as an effect of psychosis.
That thing could troubke me too.
This is another problem that VSED takes with itself: as I've read some kind of palliative care is needed (from mouth sprays to painkillers) but most importantly the voluntarity of the action must be communicated and accepted to family, legal and health system. It's not so much a free-will choice.
I still wonder if VSED is physically peaceful or not, maybe I'm questioning myself too much because of the unknown pain due to SN, which is faster, but still scares me a lot, expecially the pain (I have enough because of my terrible illness) and possible dispnea....
If only I could move, but moving is a risk by any mean of transportation.... I can travel 80 miles by car with additional painkillers (which may be not enough) and can stay no more than 10-20 minutes on my feet or sitting. If only I knew I would have taken a train to Swiss more than a year ago, but I didn't know, I trusted doctots and tryed everything (and failed) and also I couldn't travel far away for various reasons, including money.
Maybe I will have a talk to my GP if I will not be hospitalized or officially diagnosed, while the HS is blocked, expecially for "rare" and painful diseases like mine.
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_Kaira_
This Isn't Fine
- Oct 2, 2020
- 826
I've tried. It isn't a fun process. Gave in after a few days. The hunger pangs were brutal, felt more exhausted than I usually do, and felt so weak.
spider2020
Member
- Sep 20, 2020
- 27
I imagine that. The VSED documentaries look like bedtime stories. Maybe opiates used to reduce cancer pain can help to reach the goal: they reduce hunger. Oterwise a very strong force of will (or deep desperation) or a community-driven sentiment like in hunger strikes are needed.
I hope I can prepare myself for SN (I lost focus, it will take me some time to prepare for the regimen and be convinced to do it) or by miracle be taken in some civilized country (pretty impossible).
Meditation guide
Always was, is, and always shall be.
- Jun 22, 2020
- 6,089
You can google this and find some accounts of it. I read of an elderly woman in UK who did this at home. Apparently after a few days it's not too bad. I went without food or water for four days once and my mouth felt very dry but they make swabs that moisten your mouth.
spider2020
Member
- Sep 20, 2020
- 27
Thank you. I've seen a documentary about an english speaking german woman who did it: she did not look as an old ill woman at all. She did it, but the short movie lacks important detail like giving moisture to mouth, usage of painkillers, etc. It looks like it's something pretty common in hospice in various countries.
Most resources talk about legality of the procedure but very little about practical advices and what kind of palliative care is needed (painkillers, other relief drugs maybe... ).
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Meditation guide
Always was, is, and always shall be.
- Jun 22, 2020
- 6,089
I'm not sure it's deliberate or not. Many people at the end of their lives stop eating and drinking naturally as the body's way of shutting down. The woman I read about who did this was about 88 years old. She had some support such as a nurse who knew what she was doing to take care of her as she did it. I mean you can't just lie in bed doing this without some kind of help to take care of keeping you clean etc.
thats not correct I didn't voluntary stop eating and drinking on conscious level, I wasn't aware that I hadn't drank or ate because I was deeply in the psychosis. I literally had no awareness of what I was doing like I was a dream.
