Hey, everyone, unfortunately I'm still here. I couldn't get on with the VSED. But I was reading another thread, and why are you guys trying to prohibit "encouraging suicide"? Isn't this the whole point of this website? to be a place where promortalists can exchange methods and information? Or is this becoming a pro-life website where we have to "save people from themselves". I'm really confused.
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Bitcoin (BTC):Ethereum (ETH):Monero (XMR):you should never encourage, people have gone to jail outside of this forum for encouragement. Exchanging information and experience is one thing, but encouragement I feel puts the site at risk. It's all about the wording.
There's a recovery side of this site. CTB isn't the only answer. The suicide discussion is for those who think and are supposed to be firm within their decision to CTB. If you are weak within the resolve to CTB then you should head over into the recovery section so that you can get a different perspective. If you learn the concept of dark information, it's basically what this site does. What you will do with that info is up to you and you only.
okay, but basically everywhere else is pro-life, we even have a whole industry focused on "recovering people" called therapy, and even some free stuff like suicide hotline. I didn't think a website called "Sanctioned Suicide" would be so pro-life like this. I think it's not really for me, though.
isn't this horrible, though? this proves that we are in a pro-life society
I mean you could just look at the engagement and news stories about ss... And hotlines don't do shit at all
I mean you are stating the obvious here
are you guys really trying to tell me this site should offer a "pro-life alternative" even though one can find options to "stay alive" anywhere else? is that really necessary? what about us promortalists who can't find anywhere else to discuss methods?
everywhere else wouldn't let people post the things that are posted here. I don't think it's fair for you to speak poorly of this place since you aren't getting the answers or information you want. It's a place for everyone and until the laws of the world change, we work within the boundaries that allow this place to continue to be a resource for everyone.
It does and there's a lot more free speech besides slurs on the recovery side of ss. And within the recovery tab you can see people actually going thru the ups and downs of recovery since recovery isn't a one straight line thing. And other platforms censoring happens a lot (even though most are under section 230)
well, I think I came to the wrong place. I am a promortalist, I don't see any value at all in my life or in life in general. Do you recommend I should stay on the forums?
I mean you definitely see promortalist stuff along with Natalism on here. It's pretty interesting.
And you don't have to interact with the recovery side. Just like you don't have to use the share feature or direct message anyone on any social media platform.
I actually thought this place would be more open to promortalist ideas. I think I'm too radical even for this forum.
I think you should continue to stay and work around the rules. Whatever answers or information you are seeking can be found if you reframe your thought process. If you feel this place doesn't fit you then leave, but no one is going to break the rules just for you and compromise this site for the thousands that want to be here.
One thing I'll say is that you will find threads on that specific topic. I mean after all you are a new user
I'm still wondering, what is considered "encouraging"? if someone comes up to me saying "I want to self-delete", I'm not gonna say "please don't", I'm gonna say "that's your personal choice, nothing wrong with that".
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I'm on lots of records for wanting and trying to die... I don't see a better option for me.
Having said that, I never encourage anyone else to suicide. I understand what it feels like and I'll listen to people talk about their experiences... but I've many times made efforts to be both understanding of their feelings AND try and talk them out of it, especially if it seems unplanned and knee-jerk. We all have our own reasons and traumas and disabilities and challenges that drove us to this point... and while I support people having the right to die if they want, and I try to offer helpful information if I can, when I can... I'm never going to outright encourage anyone to die even if I completely understand where they are coming from.
Yeah that's fine. It's more of someone CLEARLY not having the resolve to ctb and within the context given by that person there's a clear option that diverts them from doing ctb wether it's them having a great life circumstance and them just being narcissistic (there's a bit on here) and whatever people they met in their life betrayed them etc.
I respect your opinion, but that's still very pro-life for me. I won't do anything if a person wants to die, it's their body, their autonomy, their right. Life is horrible and we should never stop people in my opinion.
okay, but is there a "right" or "wrong" suicide though? if someone wants to die for a petty reason (in your opinion or in my opinion), do we have a "moral" obligation to stop them?
If it's a mental thing that can obviously be solved then I usually stop them (examples I've seen... Getting into college debt free and just not doing the work) and obviously mental miscalculations within their plan to ctb
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You don't have to stop anyone... you just shouldn't push them over the edge. While the rules here are blurry at best (hence the conversation you referred to in your early post)... there's a difference in listening and letting someone tell you their plans and not actively preventing them VS making an effort to stop them.
I think right-to-choose means I don't do anything to stop you, but if you engage me in conversation about it you've opened the door for a conversation.
As in all public forums... if you aren't prepared to engage people who see things differently, why post? If you want an echo chamber, this is the wrong place. I think most folks on here are respectful and understand the suffering of others and believe we should have the right to seek an end if that is our wish. But a lot of people also come here not sure if they want to go, and they post their trauma and thoughts, and at least on some level many of them hope someone will "save" them from themselves... and I think that is valid too.
The "petty" reason for me (which is a valid reason for me) is looks and I don't really stop them especially if you look at average statics of weight within certain countries. It's not surprising that looks can play a part but there's a lot more serious trauma and mental trauma and unforseen and forced circumstances that people on here get into
yeah, I validate suicide, I'm a promortalist. I'm full on board with death and totally anti-life. But according to you, I somehow haven't cross this site's "line" of encouraging, which is good.
what you are describing is validation, not encouragement.
like I said, they will find people willing to "stop them" everywhere. It's the status quo of this pro-life world. I guess I'm feeling kinda bad that even here, I'm still feeling like I'm in a therapy session.
Haven't seen much of that from your chatting history much besides you saying that. And once again you are just a new user so...
so am I actually allowed to be myself here? or do I have to censor my speech just like in every corner of this horrible existence?
Well we could go into topics that are directly outside of the influence of promortalist and natalism by discussing societal topics.
This is a very interesting user since I last logged on. You can take a look at the threads. It's pretty intriguing
taw is a legend! I've looked at many of his post when I didn't have an account! Whenver I get an opportunity to message, would love to chat with you on the side panaxman!I don't really understand why you think I just want attention. But anyway, I'm looking for a place where we can be anti-life, promortalist and pro-suicide without having to sugarcoat it in "suicide prevention" techniques. Also, I'm not forcing anyone to interact with me, you came here from your own will, you don't have to interact with my "horrible" and "terrific" views if you don't want to.Similar threads
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