SOS! Petition of pro-lifers in the UK getting popular

[hush hush]

Pro-lifers started a new petition for anti-choice propaganda in schools, which means that it will make more difficult for future generations to ask the right to die and understand the philosophical underpinnings of it! DO-gooders will always prevail in the fight for the right to die.

Archived Petition: Make suicide prevention a compulsory part of the school curriculum.

We want suicide spoken about in schools in a safe and age-appropriate way. Speaking about suicide saves lives The Dept for Education are conducting a review of the RSHE curriculum; this petition calls on the DfE to include suicide prevention within the statutory guidelines of the new curriculum.

petition.parliament.uk

Make suicide prevention a compulsory part of the school curriculum.
We want suicide spoken about in schools in a safe and age-appropriate way. Speaking about suicide saves lives
The Dept for Education are conducting a review of the RSHE curriculum; this petition calls on the DfE to include suicide prevention within the statutory guidelines of the new curriculum.
More details
Suicide is the biggest killer of under-35s in the UK and over 200 school-aged children take their lives each year. Yet suicide is not currently referenced in the school curriculum.

Having recently been invited to hear the former Secretary of State's statement regarding the new 10-year Suicide Prevention Strategy, we were heartened to learn how seriously Government was taking this critical subject, but we feel efforts need to go further if we are to save lives.

 

[Hollowillow]

How about asking kids why they're miserable & treat them better?
Their plan will backfire in letting kids know that suicide is a solution. It won't be cigarette & alcohol that they'll do to break rules & feel free. It will be suicide. Many who never thought if it... Will.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

Schools are terrible at preventing bullying, which is one of the many causes of suicidal ideation. Why do they think they'll be any better at this? They should focus on stamping out bullying and eradicate at least one long term cause of misery.

I only support this if they're mainly talking about being kinder to other people at school, because they might be suffering at home or elsewhere. Otherwise it's a pretty shallow and half-hearted attempt to pass on blame, e.g. if they just say that people with suicidal ideation should just talk more about their feelings, etc, which is what I expect them to talk about instead. That's not helpful when you haven't got anyone to talk to and if adults are ignorant and unhelpful.

Their idea of 'suicide prevention' is probably going to be more of the drivel that makes people feel worse instead, given how useless suicide helplines are. When the focus is on preventing us from choosing suicide instead of addressing possible causes, and making lives better.

 

[GasMonkey]

They are losing the battle.

Next year is the launch of the Sarco, there is already a person that has agreed to be the first one to CTB with it on early 2023.

 

[Hollowillow]

They'll just shame kids for having emotions, demanding to admit they're insane and require "medication". Pressuring each other. Using psychiatry words.

I have depression instead of I'm sad.

I have anxiety instead of I'm worried.

I am psychotic instead of I daydream

Death to psychiatry

 

[ManicPanic2018]

My god. The world is getting so bad that they want to teach it in schools. Jesus christ, thats grim.

 

[actual_fox]

Knowing that kids usually do not know about what suicide is even if they are depressed, and knowing how defiant UK youngsters are- this might backfire terribly. It will actually lead to more suicides as kids learn what this thing is. I had a bunch of education on why not to smoke or drink. It made drinking and smoking even cooler.

 

[wljourney]

considering the most recent fuck up by the UK government and telling people to "get ready for a decade of austerity", they will

1. cut funding for healthcare and education first
2. see many more suicides by desperate, poor people

I don't see this petition going anywhere.

 

[SunsetPeace]

The longer I stay on Earth, the more I get depressed seeing things like this. It's just endless cycles of unnecessary misery that we keep on creating. The funny thing is, the adults who enforce this type of education can learn a lot more from the children than the children can learn from them; I don't expect them to ever understand that, though.

I am even paranoid about using this site because of the agressive nature in which talk of suicide is discouraged by society. It's just a sad state of affairs all round, and we are just making things worse. It's sad when you realise how much better things could be if we had respect for bodily autonomy, and had a shred of empathy for those suffering. It would seem that is too much to ask these days, though.

 

[Smart No More]

I remember when my school did the drug talk and showed us a case full of different drugs. It just made we want to try drugs. I'd already learned not to blindly believe what adults told me by then.

Talking about suicide to kids is potentially putting it on their radar prematurely.

 

[Forever Sleep]

They're worried they're going to loose all their worker ants. So glad I didn't procreate.

 

[ManicPanic2018]

considering the most recent fuck up by the UK government and telling people to "get ready for a decade of austerity", they will

1. cut funding for healthcare and education first
2. see many more suicides by desperate, poor people

I don't see this petition going anywhere.

Oh the petititons never go aywhere anywhere anyway, they're just for the signers to wank off to for thinking they have a voice and are making a difference.

 

[actual_fox]

t's sad when you realise how much better things could be if we had respect for bodily autonomy, and had a shred of empathy for those suffering. It would seem that is too much to ask these days, though.

That would be nice, If we also had an autonomy of thought and speech. Now you cannot even speak about S word. I cannot even say I am depressed- If you do so then you will be either gas lighted or treated with drugs until you admit you feel better.

 

[Julgran]

Pro-lifers started a new petition for anti-choice propaganda in schools, which means that it will make more difficult for future generations to ask the right to die and understand the philosophical underpinnings of it! DO-gooders will always prevail in the fight for the right to die.

Archived Petition: Make suicide prevention a compulsory part of the school curriculum.

We want suicide spoken about in schools in a safe and age-appropriate way. Speaking about suicide saves lives The Dept for Education are conducting a review of the RSHE curriculum; this petition calls on the DfE to include suicide prevention within the statutory guidelines of the new curriculum.

petition.parliament.uk

Make suicide prevention a compulsory part of the school curriculum.
We want suicide spoken about in schools in a safe and age-appropriate way. Speaking about suicide saves lives
The Dept for Education are conducting a review of the RSHE curriculum; this petition calls on the DfE to include suicide prevention within the statutory guidelines of the new curriculum.
More details
Suicide is the biggest killer of under-35s in the UK and over 200 school-aged children take their lives each year. Yet suicide is not currently referenced in the school curriculum.

Having recently been invited to hear the former Secretary of State's statement regarding the new 10-year Suicide Prevention Strategy, we were heartened to learn how seriously Government was taking this critical subject, but we feel efforts need to go further if we are to save lives.

They should be doing something about the quote "Yet suicide is not currently referenced in the school curriculum", instead, and introduce a how-to-die course, instead

Jokes aside, this kind of petition and its potentially resulting curriculum changes will probably only last as long as adults aren't suicidal themselves. Brits and their authoritarian bent...

 

[makethepainstop]

Knowing that kids usually do not know about what suicide is even if they are depressed, and knowing how defiant UK youngsters are- this might backfire terribly. It will actually lead to more suicides as kids learn what this thing is. I had a bunch of education on why not to smoke or drink. It made drinking and smoking even cooler.

ME too thats why I started smoking at 12 years old!

 

[Hollowillow]

Knowing that kids usually do not know about what suicide is even if they are depressed, and knowing how defiant UK youngsters are- this might backfire terribly. It will actually lead to more suicides as kids learn what this thing is. I had a bunch of education on why not to smoke or drink. It made drinking and smoking even cooler.

I thought the exact same thing!

That would be nice, If we also had an autonomy of thought and speech. Now you cannot even speak about S word. I cannot even say I am depressed- If you do so then you will be either gas lighted or treated with drugs until you admit you feel better.

I'm so relieved that you noticed. I'm sorry that my attempts at validating you probably were not clear... I try to reveal the psychiatric scam with facts but I should probably use feelings instead *hugs* I like your fluff.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

When I was in school, granted not in the UK, they couldn't even teach us about sex properly. I didn't know what a period was and thought I had cancer when I got mine and started bleeding. So I don't really have faith in this either.

I seriously doubt that schoolteachers could handle teaching kids about suicide, especially when parents are as lazy as ever and throw hissy fits if a teacher exposes their children to difficult or controversial topics in the classroom that contradict their own views and values. You have parents throwing chimp fits in the news this very moment because a teacher respected their child's preferred gender identity, and yet the public expects this to go well? People are terrified of being held liable for any mistake and getting sacked as is, I can't see something like this ever becoming law.

What's worse than this sentiment, by far, is Javid's 10 year suicide prevention speech referenced in the petition. He views assisted suicide as a grave and heinous crime. He wants to tighten censorship over the Internet and block people from accessing anything that can be viewed as "Pro-suicide" content.

Despite the massive tragedy that occurs in the UK daily because euthanasia is illegal, these do-gooders want to put their fingers in their ears and pretend rational suicides do not exist. Terminally ill people often starve to death and die in the most painful of ways, because under the law, they cannot get assisted suicide in any capacity.

I'm aware that this article is referring to younger people, but there are cases where teenagers and children with long term illnesses whether that be mental or physical have ended up dying by starvation or dehydration after failing every possible avenue of treatment, because they are barred from physician assisted suicide or suicide in any capacity.

I believe the most notable case of this was a Dutch teenager who had severe ptsd and had begged for years to go, the authorities refused her request, and she starved to death at home. How the hell is that compassionate and virtuous?

These efforts to stop suicide at all costs, in any circumstances, seem well intentioned in spirit, but in execution they lack nuance. It would be one thing if these efforts provided something novel and revolutionary to help improve the pain of suicidal people, but they don't. Despite Javid saying that the NHS is working towards more "social prescribing" I have seen 0 evidence of this being implemented. The last time I was in an NHS facility for a scan, all I saw plastered on the toilet stalls were the same hotline numbers and meditation apps.

They keep pushing more and more of the same methods which do not work, then wondering why suicide rate climbs. There seems to be a misguided effort here, where they think people simply don't know about mental health resources and that's why they ctb, not- they have engaged with these services dozens of times and they simply aren't helpful for many demographics of suicidal people. You can't just toss money at a problem and invest in resources which are clearly failing a large number of people, then expect the problem to disappear. Being perpetually "aware" of a problem doesn't solve it.

 

[Hollowillow]

When I was in school, granted not in the UK, they couldn't even teach us about sex properly. I didn't know what a period was and thought I had cancer when I got mine and started bleeding. So I don't really have faith in this either.

I seriously doubt that schoolteachers could handle teaching kids about suicide, especially when parents are as lazy as ever and throw hissy fits if a teacher exposes their children to difficult or controversial topics in the classroom that contradict their own views and values. You have parents throwing chimp fits in the news this very moment because a teacher respected their child's preferred gender identity, and yet the public expects this to go well? People are terrified of being held liable for any mistake and getting sacked as is, I can't see something like this ever becoming law.

What's worse than this sentiment, by far, is Javid's 10 year suicide prevention speech referenced in the petition. He views assisted suicide as a grave and heinous crime. He wants to tighten censorship over the Internet and block people from accessing anything that can be viewed as "Pro-suicide" content.

Despite the massive tragedy that occurs in the UK daily because euthanasia is illegal, these do-gooders want to put their fingers in their ears and pretend rational suicides do not exist. Terminally ill people often starve to death and die in the most painful of ways, because under the law, they cannot get assisted suicide in any capacity.

I'm aware that this article is referring to younger people, but there are cases where teenagers and children with long term illnesses whether that be mental or physical have ended up dying by starvation or dehydration after failing every possible avenue of treatment, because they are barred from physician assisted suicide or suicide in any capacity.

I believe the most notable case of this was a Dutch teenager who had severe ptsd and had begged for years to go, the authorities refused her request, and she starved to death at home. How the hell is that compassionate and virtuous?

These efforts to stop suicide at all costs, in any circumstances, seem well intentioned in spirit, but in execution they lack nuance. It would be one thing if these efforts provided something novel and revolutionary to help improve the pain of suicidal people, but they don't. Despite Javid saying that the NHS is working towards more "social prescribing" I have seen 0 evidence of this being implemented. The last time I was in an NHS facility for a scan, all I saw plastered on the toilet stalls were the same hotline numbers and meditation apps.

They keep pushing more and more of the same methods which do not work, then wondering why suicide rate climbs. There seems to be a misguided effort here, where they think people simply don't know about mental health resources and that's why they ctb, not- they have engaged with these services dozens of times and they simply aren't helpful for many demographics of suicidal people. You can't just toss money at a problem and invest in resources which are clearly failing a large number of people, then expect the problem to disappear. Being perpetually "aware" of a problem doesn't solve it.

Interesting. Parents slave away and don't comfort their kids so psychiatrists are overbooked? They need love.

There are 3 ressources that only send cops in you if they judge you suicidal. Just traps. No hotline to talk. But those get scared if you mention suicide.

I spent hours trying them all. No one cared, I even had threats.

This site is such a warm precious place.

 

[FuneralCry]

I really do have a strong dislike for this pro suffering society. There is nothing actually wrong with someone deciding to leave this world at a time of their own choosing, it isn't as though we are obligated to stay here as we never asked to exist in the first place. Instead of focusing on 'suicide prevention' they should remove all the stigma surrounding suicide and have the option of suicide respected as a personal choice.

Suicide prevention only prolongs suffering and further isolates suicidal people and removing more reliable methods would just mean that people have no choice but to resort risky methods. Something could even happen to the people supporting the petition and then they can end up suicidal. Life could get worse for anyone and any human can end up in excruciating pain at any moment. Would these people seriously like to experience the most extreme suffering possible, they must be ignorant of the cruel reality of this existence and all the problems that exist.

It sounds as though these people wont even try to understand what others go through, we all have a different experience on life, if they want to live then good for them but they shouldn't try and force their beliefs onto others. Maybe they fear that if everyone saw suicide as preferable to a lifetime of suffering then they would lose their workers. That could be why they try and force people to live.

But what they haven't considered is that wanting suicide can be perfectly rational in a world like this. What if suicide actually is the preferable option. It doesn't surprise me that so many people decide to ctb. There are no disadvantages to being dead, just like how nothing could hurt us before we were born I believe it to be the same after we die. Suicide solves all problems and ends this pointless struggle. Where is the value in suffering until old age just to deteriorate and die anyway. At least I see none.

 

[Mofreeko]

I always find it amusing when organizations try to tackle suicide itself, instead of the societal issues that contribute to suicide. They take our methods away and pat themselves on the back for "saving" us. As long as we're still alive they don't have to think about the issues we're facing and the pain we're in.

 

[Chinaski]

Really do not see the harm in what's described here tbh.