Venting Society doesn't want men

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

This has been my experience too and they all have creepy porn stuff on their profiles

Explains a lot about why they do what they do

Theyve been brain washed

 

[Acidic_Fries]

This has been my experience too and they all have creepy porn stuff on their profiles

Damn that sucks. My condolences

Still gotta have a social life though, so why not try to kill 2 birds with one stone?

I prefer to stay alone.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

I prefer to stay alone.

I did too. Only recently discovered it wont work

Trust me. You need social accpetance to live

If you dont youll feel constant chronic pain that manifests as depression and then kill yourself

 

[volo]

I did too. Only recently discovered it wont work

Trust me. You need social accpetance to live

If you dont youll feel constant chronic pain that manifests as depression and then kill yourself

This is true

 

[EndlessRage]

It is. I will post a vent on reddit, have someone reach out, only for them to just want sex.

What made you think a platform like "Reddit'' is good for venting? It's obvious Reddit is filled with creeps in the first place.

 

[neurotoxic]

This is a more general response to all the icky vibes in this thread but oh god I'm so sick of these incel circlejerk threads. they always starts with what would seem to be a reasonable vent, with some coded language in there to signal to the blackpill weirdos, but then they descend into misogynistic theories like hypergamy and using "lookism" as a dogwhistle for "I think I'm entitled to women's bodies/attention, and if i don't get it, its because women bad. "

dudes, hypergamy isn't real. at least not in any gendered way. Women don't have it any easier. And "lookism" was coined by and has been addressed by feminists for decades but y'all don't like feminism so you ripped off the arguments for your own victimhood campaign.

Lookism and hypergamy hold all the cards, it's just not you. All men struggle in dating and finding a woman to marry. It is because of unrealistic standards, Height for example. Women have it easier in these fields.

Women have it just as hard.

you probably didnt know this, but believe it or not you can actually talk about mens issues without minimizing womens issues! super crazy right? Take the above example, I know this sounds totally insane but you could actually just not say the last sentence, and you wouldn't sound like an incel! Wild, right?
Edit: oh wait, i forgot about the hypergamy bullshit. yeah, nvm. Incel vibes.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

This is a more general response to all the icky vibes in this thread but oh god I'm so sick of these incel circlejerk threads. they always starts with what would seem to be a reasonable vent, with some coded language in there to signal to the blackpill weirdos, but then they descend into misogynistic theories like hypergamy and using "lookism" as a dogwhistle for "I think I'm entitled to women's bodies/attention, and if i don't get it, its because women bad. "

dudes, hypergamy isn't real. at least not in any gendered way. Women don't have it any easier. And "lookism" was coined by and has been addressed by feminists for decades but y'all don't like feminism so you ripped off the arguments for your own victimhood campaign.


Women have it just as hard.

you probably didnt know this, but believe it or not you can actually talk about mens issues without minimizing womens issues! super crazy right? Take the above example, I know this sounds totally insane but you could actually just not say the last sentence, and you wouldn't sound like an incel! Wild, right?
Edit: oh wait, i forgot about the hypergamy bullshit. yeah, nvm. Incel vibes.

I think he meant heels when he was talking about height and women having it easier

Lol circlejerk

Youre a riot, man

 

[neurotoxic]

I think he meant heels when he was talking about height and women having it easier

Lol circlejerk

im a man and i wear heels all the time

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

im a man and i wear heels all the time

Sucks. Youd totally be my type if you were a girl

 

[CatLvr]

I didn't say anything about sex. Don't hijack the thread please. We get it, it's hard for women too. I understand now. Sorry for being a bit too in the nose in my original post. Happy?

That's NOT a hijack, dude. That is the honest truth from a woman.

Now ... Let me just say this -- I am OLD so I saw this coming WAY back when I was a kid ... Men have ALWAYS treated women like they were expendable. That has not changed. When I hear a man say "I can't find love" what I hear is "I can't find a woman who will baby me like my mom did my dad" but women don't have to have a man to get own a home, a checking account or a credit card any longer (all of those things have only changed in my lifetime). Hell, rape inside a marriage wasn't illegal until 1993 -- fully 10 years after I had my children.

And girls grew up seeing how men treated their mothers -- not to mention they had mothers and grandmothers telling them to get an education, a job and NEVER depend on a man because they WILL fuck you over. Now those girls are grown up and an awful lot of them SEE how guys protect each other and eat that red pill shit up. Can you blame them for not jumping in the sack with you at the end of your first date?? Or hell not even bother.

So ... My best advice for any of you guys and girls who really want to find someone is:

1. Gird your loins. You are gonna get rejected. A LOT. I rarely "scored" and had some pretty nasty things said to me about my appearance, social standing, etc. by some guys back in the day. Their loss. Smile, say "Thanks sorry I bothered you" and walk away. Them rejecting you is a reflection on THEM -- not you.

2. Go out. Don't have any friends?? Big fucking shit. I'm a loner. Now, understand there are risks to going certain places by yourself so pay attention, don't get fucked up (you can do that when you get home while you are getting ready for bed), find a place you like and feel comfortable -- ANY PLACE, coffee shop, club (sit at the bar), library (seriously), gun range, church, whatever -- and become a regular. Chances are SOMEBODY will eventually recognize you and strike up a conversation (worked with my second husband -- he worked in a building I had to go to regularly to file paperwork with the State Supreme Court. "Thanks have a good day" turned into "Hey how's it going" that turned into "Hey my wife kicked me out wanna go to lunch" to "Well hell you might as well move in if we are gonna do this thing" to "Well fuck me I guess we're getting married now") NONE of which I saw coming -- seriously.

3. Appearances do matter -- there is this thing called a "first impression". It counts. Not fair, don't like it, doesn't change a damn thing. Be clean, be neat, be polite.

4. Guys -- this one is for you -- Contrary to popular belief women do NOT have it easy. She has to figure out who is just telling her what he thinks she wants to hear to get what he wants. She also has to worry about those of you who will not take rejection well and might do her serious harm, or even kill her. That is not an exaggeration. I have been raped on a date with a man that I would have NEVER suspected was capable of such a thing. I have a friend who was kidnapped and held and tortured for several days. The only reason she is alive today is because she kept her wits about her and got lucky.

So ... If a girl does say she will go out with you and you are looking for a real connection, and not just a quickie, give her some grace. Don't expect her to be an easy sell.

5. Ladies -- this one is for y'all. Do NOT ever take a man at his word. Make him prove it -- and by "make him prove it" I don't mean make him jump thru a million hoops. Pay your own way, drive your own car to and from any date, NEVER go to his place, or a hotel. It's your place (and make sure someone else knows he is there) or no place. And treat him with the respect you want him to treat you with.

6. All you people -- TAKE YOUR TIME. Even if you "catch a feel" getting to know someone takes time. They often say you don't know someone until you marry them and to a certain extent that may ne true. TWICE (slow learner) I made the mistake of taking a man at his word and marrying when I had absolutely no business doing so. I ignored red flags. I thought because I loved them and they said they loved me that it would be fine. It was decidedly NOT fine either time.

And finally, I will tell you from experience that you never really know someone until they die -- the things that my late husband did without my knowledge that came out after he died absolutely destroyed any faith I might have in people and in men, in general. So ... That is my full disclosure.

Maybe there is someone out there for you, maybe not. Who knows?? But I would be remiss if I didn't point out that it's actually okay to be by yourself. Another person will not complete you. That is a fairy tale. Complete yourself -- you will live a much more satisfying life than the one I had for the last 25 years.

 

[CatGoMeyow]

yea just imagine a world where people are offering you free money all the time. but 99% of the time you cash it and it turns out its actually a debt note. that sucks. thats not "i'd take fake sympathy over none at all" its more like "the world is actively trying to harm you under deceit". fuck we gotta learn to be more compassionate to each other

 

[neurotoxic]

That's NOT a hijack, dude. That is the honest truth from a woman.

Now ... Let me just say this -- I am OLD so I saw this coming WAY back when I was a kid ... Men have ALWAYS treated women like they were expendable. That has not changed. When I hear a man say "I can't find love" what I hear is "I can't find a woman who will baby me like my mom did my dad" but women don't have to have a man to get own a home, a checking account or a credit card any longer (all of those things have only changed in my lifetime). Hell, rape inside a marriage wasn't illegal until 1993 -- fully 10 years after I had my children.

And girls grew up seeing how men treated their mothers -- not to mention they had mothers and grandmothers telling them to get an education, a job and NEVER depend on a man because they WILL fuck you over. Now those girls are grown up and an awful lot of them SEE how guys protect each other and eat that red pill shit up. Can you blame them for not jumping in the sack with you at the end of your first date?? Or hell not even bother.

So ... My best advice for any of you guys and girls who really want to find someone is:

1. Gird your loins. You are gonna get rejected. A LOT. I rarely "scored" and had some pretty nasty things said to me about my appearance, social standing, etc. by some guys back in the day. Their loss. Smile, say "Thanks sorry I bothered you" and walk away. Them rejecting you is a reflection on THEM -- not you.

2. Go out. Don't have any friends?? Big fucking shit. I'm a loner. Now, understand there are risks to going certain places by yourself so pay attention, don't get fucked up (you can do that when you get home while you are getting ready for bed), find a place you like and feel comfortable -- ANY PLACE, coffee shop, club (sit at the bar), library (seriously), gun range, church, whatever -- and become a regular. Chances are SOMEBODY will eventually recognize you and strike up a conversation (worked with my second husband -- he worked in a building I had to go to regularly to file paperwork with the State Supreme Court. "Thanks have a good day" turned into "Hey how's it going" that turned into "Hey my wife kicked me out wanna go to lunch" to "Well hell you might as well move in if we are gonna do this thing" to "Well fuck me I guess we're getting married now") NONE of which I saw coming -- seriously.

3. Appearances do matter -- there is this thing called a "first impression". It counts. Not fair, don't like it, doesn't change a damn thing. Be clean, be neat, be polite.

4. Guys -- this one is for you -- Contrary to popular belief women do NOT have it easy. She has to figure out who is just telling her what he thinks she wants to hear to get what he wants. She also has to worry about those of you who will not take rejection well and might do her serious harm, or even kill her. That is not an exaggeration. I have been raped on a date with a man that I would have NEVER suspected was capable of such a thing. I have a friend who was kidnapped and held and tortured for several days. The only reason she is alive today is because she kept her wits about her and got lucky.

So ... If a girl does say she will go out with you and you are looking for a real connection, and not just a quickie, give her some grace. Don't expect her to be an easy sell.

5. Ladies -- this one is for y'all. Do NOT ever take a man at his word. Make him prove it -- and by "make him prove it" I don't mean make him jump thru a million hoops. Pay your own way, drive your own car to and from any date, NEVER go to his place, or a hotel. It's your place (and make sure someone else knows he is there) or no place. And treat him with the respect you want him to treat you with.

6. All you people -- TAKE YOUR TIME. Even if you "catch a feel" getting to know someone takes time. They often say you don't know someone until you marry them and to a certain extent that may ne true. TWICE (slow learner) I made the mistake of taking a man at his word and marrying when I had absolutely no business doing so. I ignored red flags. I thought because I loved them and they said they loved me that it would be fine. It was decidedly NOT fine either time.

And finally, I will tell you from experience that you never really know someone until they die -- the things that my late husband did without my knowledge that came out after he died absolutely destroyed any faith I might have in people and in men, in general. So ... That is my full disclosure.

Maybe there is someone out there for you, maybe not. Who knows?? But I would be remiss if I didn't point out that it's actually okay to be by yourself. Another person will not complete you. That is a fairy tale. Complete yourself -- you will live a much more satisfying life than the one I had for the last 25 years.

(inb4 some blackpiller calls this normie advice)

This is advice that i can tell comes from a lot of lived experience. CatLvr dropping high-quality wisdom bombs over here. Ty for the nuggets of wisdom <3

 

[CatLvr]

(inb4 some blackpiller calls this normie advice)

This is advice that i can tell comes from a lot of lived experience. CatLvr dropping high-quality wisdom bombs over here. Ty for the nuggets of wisdom <3

Let them. They are gonna have to be some much higher level insulter than I have dealt with -- and I worked for lawyers and was married to a cop so I really don't think they can reach the bar those boys set.

It is unfortunate that I learned WAY too late in life that romantic relationships are a MISERABLE way to "complete" yourself. Don't do that shit to yourself. Go find SOMETHING that makes you happy (or at the very least distracts you from feeling completely miserable) and DO IT. If I had those 25 years back -- OMG the stuff I would do.

 

[eggsausagerice]

can we not have anymore of these threads with incel dog whistle titles. like atp just call me a slur. my knee jerk response when seeing a title like "society doesn't want men" is that it's guys talking about how women look down on them and that op isn't getting any tail. and that's what it was. i usually try to keep people on ignore for the express purpose of not seeing posts like these. what's interesting about these discussions is that op always goes mask off and says being a feminist or respecting women is a choice they make every day. at any moment, a man can "choose" to be misogynistic but holds back the urge. it's not supposed to be something you choose to do. women can't choose to stop being prejudiced against, but men can choose to discriminate against them. that's the power imbalance men have always had over women.

 

[mrwagnerfan]

After 36 years as a virgin I don't think there's any hope for me . And I have friends, including women, and go out a lot. But never a bite at the apple. So I ordered sodium nitrite and anti emetics and painkillers. I'm so excited and can't wait to leave my pathetic virgin body and mind behind.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

4.
So ... If a girl does say she will go out with you and you are looking for a real connection, and not just a quickie, give her some grace. Don't expect her to be an easy sell.

I need some advice advice on the give her grace part.
I try to do that, but girls often lie to me about the kind of person they are.
The one that caused my suicide attempt was one of these girls.
The only reliable way ive found to test is if they are what they say is to try to test how far theyll go.
If theyre easy for you theyre probly easy for everyone and vice versa. Very sensitive situation where you have to pay extreme attention to their comfort level.
But trying that at all, even as a test is already not giving her grace. How are we to deal with this conflict?

I know i can find out the long way but by then i already feel emotionally used and like it unnecesarily wasted my time

 

[spero_meliora]

A quick clarification from the mod team since this thread has generated some disagreement.

Members of any gender are allowed to vent about loneliness, rejection, dating, relationship pain, or feeling unwanted. A man talking about feeling lonely, unwanted, or hurt by dating/social expectations is not automatically posting "incel" content or misogyny. Likewise, women are allowed to vent about their own experiences with men without that automatically being treated as hatred toward men or misandry.

The line is not "men can't vent" or "women can't vent." The line is universality, dehumanisation, entitlement, and hostility.


Generally acceptable:
- "I feel unwanted."
- "I'm lonely and struggling with dating."
-"I've had bad experiences with men/women who do X."
-"I feel like society treats men/women unfairly in this way."

Not acceptable:
- "All men/women are…"
- "Men/women deserve…"
- "Women/men only exist to…"
- Dehumanising language, threats, entitlement to sex or relationships, or turning threads into gender-war hostility.


Please also avoid jumping straight to labels like "incel," "misogynist," "misandrist," etc. unless someone is actually posting that kind of content. If you think a post crosses the line, report it rather than derailing the thread.

The same standard applies both ways: people can vent about pain and loneliness, but not use that as an excuse to attack an entire gender.